May be worth a sticky status.
https://goexpowder.com/resources/load-charts/
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May be worth a sticky status.
https://goexpowder.com/resources/load-charts/
Sticky status. I think so too.
In the carts, is the "measure" size they refer to GRAINS..............or what?
I want to study up on BP's as I have some and want to start messing around with them.
banger
Oh no not another "weight by volume" confusion :veryconfuQuote:
Originally Posted by bangerjim
If you are referring to the attached screen shot…. yes it is roughly grains for blackpowder or bp equivalent volume for subs like Pyrodregs. I don't imagine it would be grams or CCs.
Keep in mind, these are just safe starting loads, not necessarily what will shoot best in a particular firearm.
Good reference material. Thank you for sharing. Make it a sticky.
Good information. I was somewhat surprised to see that for BPCR for the 45-70 that they are recommending F in lieu of FF. I thought that FF was more or less the standard for the 45-70. I am probably showing my lack of experience with BPCR for the 45-70. I do think this info qualifies for being a sticky.
Those rifle loads (I shoot only 58 caliber) would only be starting/plinking/target loads. My hunting loads are all much higher charges, i.e. "off the chart". I don't think it is "sticky worthy". Also the weights on the 36 & 44 cal revolver balls is way off too.
I agree with Waksupi that this is a very good thing to have placed here as a sticky. Goex has always been the powder that all others have been compared to.
Pete
Understandable. They simply didn't split the category between thick wall rifle conical shooters and original type musket Minié shooters. They may not have had the data for both or felt this would keep those who can't read out of trouble. They simply went with lowest common denominator. Otherwise some chucklehead would cram 180 gr of BP or volume equivalent of 777 under a Minié in a thin wall musket and touch it off. There is plenty of data out there that does include the heavy charge, large bore stuff for those so inclined. Some of that also includes pressure data. The Lyman Black Powder Handbook comes to mind and does show fairly complete data for heavy barreled 58 cal shooters for conicals up to 560 gr over charges up to 140 gr FF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellgate
4 on 6,
I started out with the old Lyman BP Handbook. I appreciate your comments.
Newbies have to start somewhere, and if this helps any one, it is well worth publishing. I know that my loads are off the charts too, but I would never tell a first timer to use some of them, as it is hard to go out to the other end of the field and pick up their arm and bring it back for them to try and get it right the next time.
I would have liked to have something like this back in 1970 when I started.
Wow, even though it's just starter load hints you still get a mountain of good information. Great addition and heck yeah, sticky away.
I vote good for sticky, many of us have been shooting these things for years . But it still nice to be able to look at the data once and a while. No different than surfing a loading manual.
Wow I'm glad this one is a sticky,saved me from having to research this information.
my pedersoli 10 gauge sxs proof tested for 109 grains of 2f black powder . I fired mine several times with 12 OO buckshot with 130 gr. GOEX black powder. I wouldn't recommend doing it .The shotgun handles it well , but it's a little hard on the shoulder.
Measure setting?? That doesn't mean diddly-squat!!
Without barrel length this is erroneous information.
The davenport formula is how you find your maximum load.
Pete, obviously you are not a serious BP shooter. Please support your statement with details.Quote:
Goex has always been the powder that all others have been compared to.
I'm a BPCR shooter and go through a minimum of a 25 lb case annually. In inventory are several grades of each: DuPont - Goex - KIK - Swiss - Skirmish - Schuetzen - Diamondback and Meteor which was made by Curtis's & Harvey and imported through Noble's CIL subsidary in Canada and sold by DuPont salesmen. I have studied and tested each powder in inventory for sieve ratios - density - fouling and velocity except the Diamondback which is made from bamboo wood in Brazil and is a weak - dirty powder
As for the BP loading chart that waksupi posted - it has been on the Goex website since Hodgdon purchased Goex on January 2, 2009 and ... IT IS NOT GOEX POWDER LOADING DATA
* In the 1970's, Hodgdon sold black powder "Made in Great Britain"
* The powder was made in Ardeer, Scotland at the Noble ICI powder plant
* Noble had previously bought out Curtis's & Harvey
* The Hodgdon black powder labeled cans was either left over or the same process formulation of Curtis's & Harvey powder - deemed to be the best powder manufactured in current times
* The loading chart on the Goex website is ... loading data TESTED by Curtis's & Harvey with their powder before they were purchased by Noble... that Hodgdon was given by Noble Industries when they were selling the BP "Made in Great Britain" in the'70's that was really C&H powder.
I verified this to be a C&H powder chart with a personal friend who tested all Goex powders before Goex was bought out. Bill, chuckled when he said 'Goex at the Minden, LA plant didn't have a clue for many of the calibers on the chart let alone the charges'
And yes, the chart should be a Sticky because there is no other black powder charge chart in existence for the extensively complete calibers
And if one had their smart socks on - download the charts to your computer. If Hodgdon ever decides to take it off the website ... GONE!
that overall goex chart is arguably better than nothing, but there are so many holes in it for muzzleloaders that it's pretty much outdated. most notably, the use of 3f for .50 caliber and beyond. bp cartridge doesn't really need a load chart, either.
I have a T/C Hawken .50 with a Green Mountain barrel, rifling pitch 1:28". My favorite deer load is a .350 grs. T/C Maxi-Hunter pre-lubed at the factory over 95 grains of Swiss FFFg and a thin dry felt wad between powder and bullet. I have already killed three deer with it, two Sitka Blacktails in Kodiak and a whitetail here in Alabama all three fell in their tracks. I prefer to shoot deer (both with my ML and with my centerfire rifle) in the forward point of the shoulder blade. The ball breaks the spine and sends bone fragments into the heart/lung area. I never shoot behind the shoulder because many animals will run after this shot placement. I am color blind and can't see red on green. Following a blood trail is very difficult for me, so I like a shot placement that paralyzes and kills immediately. The reason I use FFFg is that I find its ignition more consistent. This gives better accuracy. Swiss BP burns cleaner than many other powders, and avoiding petroleum-based lubricants allows dozens of shots to be fired in a row without having to clean the barrel between shots. I use exclusively T/C black powder solvent No. 13 and T/C Bore Butter as lubricant/rust preventative. I have not used hot, soapy water for the past six years (since I bought the Green Mountain barrel) and my barrel is shiny inside as it was when I bought it--no rust! Sorry about going off-topic a bit.
Did you get acceptable patterns with this load?Quote:
Originally Posted by scabbo72
Herman48, your wasting powder, your 28 inch barrel can not burn all that powder. I bet if you used the Davenport formula, you would find your max burn load, and its way less than what your using.
Dont worry, a lot of folks waste powder. Im a cheap stake, so I prefer not to.
As far as posting that info as a sticky. The round ball info is bogus. I refuse to think the mods will allow wrong info posted that might hurt someone.
I did not check the rest, nor the cartridge info. I figured if part of it is wrong, why read the rest.
each gun will tell you what it likes best for a load, ball/bullet, patch, lube, compression, and powder (type, granularity and charge), if we test at least some of these .parameters out. a hunting .50 pb typically needs no more'n 80 grains of 3f, at least for me.
hmmmm - I looked at the muzzlelloader data for round ball and it pretty much fits - always used FF for serious loads in 50 and 54 cal and the chrono puts those numbers about right for old style Goex - --- Wano would shoot about 150fps slower for the same charge and I expect Swiss would gain maybe 75fps (200plus better than Wano) I did shoot some real Curtis and Harvey powder way back days - nice clean powder but slow compared to the moosic made goex. This chart is a good start place for newbies and the top loads for round ball are well and truly plenty - once you make 1900fps with a round ball the point of diminishing returns has been reached - lots of smoke and noise and recoil for very little real gain after that.
Joe
How about listing the Davenport formula please.
luvtn
fwiw, the goex load link has been changed ...
https://goexpowder.com/resources/load-charts/
I just went to the URL in the original and found it was now dead.
I am glad someone posted a new link.
Thanks
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