White Label lube 45-45-10 results

I got my order of White Label 45-45-10 in early last week and tried it out.
It is runnier than I was expecting. Almost impossible to get too much of it on a boolit. The coating I ended up with could hardly even be seen.
I loaded up a bunch of them for my 9mm and ran them through it today.
First off the accuracy was top notch. No problems with feed or function.
I shot 50 rounds through the pistol before I checked the barrel because the accuracy never fell off.
When I checked the barrel I got a wonderful surprise. No leading whatsoever. It was as if I had been shooting jacketed or powder coated. Just a tiny bit of powder fouling. One dry patch and the barrel was clean.

This White Label formula is really great stuff!

The White Label 45-45-10 is a great product at a great price. Works real good.

It does indeed work good and not near as messy as straight Alox/xlox.

How was the smoke? I would use alox but I shoot indoors and that stuff is nasty with low ventilation

As thin as the coating was, there was little smoke. I didn't even notice it.

If you're into 45/45/10 Lubes, don't waste YOUR TIME/MONEY MAKING IT.

Just purchase WHITE LABEL LUBES X-LOX (Lar's name for his 45/45/10).

He does the work, mess, and sends it to you at a very reasonable price.

It's the best tumble lube and ships fast and is cheap- can't beat it!

Thanks guy's i've been wanting to try White's lube 45-45-10 lube.....now all i need to do is order it....Thanks James

I 2nd the same results as OP. Great stuff.

going to test it on my 45 loads next time. I had cast and coated 500 bullets so I didnt want to remelt.

Im in the same boat as Silverado, I shoot indoors with little ventation, I did not notice the smoke but the guys around me did.

have one of them stand on the side of you about 6 - 10 feet and record your shots, that will give you a True smoke test.

if i only shot outdoors that stuff is great. as long as you let it cure for a week or so.

I know only shoot ESPC boolits and haven't looked back.

Espc takes 10x thetime to do.... Or more.

True but the do look preety.

And punch holes in paper very well.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/5uvuha8e.jpg

Just ordered some.

I really like the lube, however I gotta get better on my technique. I always have too much on them. I end up wiping the excess off after loading as I start to get junk build up in my searing die. Next batch I'm going to try putting way less and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Moonman

If you're into 45/45/10 Lubes, don't waste YOUR TIME/MONEY MAKING IT.

Just purchase WHITE LABEL LUBES X-LOX (Lar's name for his 45/45/10).

He does the work, mess, and sends it to you at a very reasonable price.

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I thought X-Lox was the WLL's version of LLA??? Not 45/45/10....

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Originally Posted by nanuk

I thought X-Lox was the WLL's version of LLA??? Not 45/45/10....

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Delux Liquid X-Lox~45-45-10 is White Label's version

http://lsstuff.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_ id=31

White label has both X-lox and Deluxe X-lox 45-45-10
The X-lox is basically LLA in a larger bottle.
The Deluxe 45-45-10 is like recluse's formula only you don't need to make it yourself.
They also have X-lox 350 but I'm not certain if this is solid or liquid as they say it is the same stuff they use in their sticks.

The Xlox 350/Alox 350 has the consistency of a light grease and can be mixed with Beeswax to get a 50-50 lube.
The NRA forumula used Alox 2138F, but they don't make it anymore. The current replacement is Alox 350 which is a little thinner, so you need to add more wax to the mix to get to the same consistency.
Alox 350 is what we use in our 50-50, 2500+ and BAC stick lubes.

Yes the 45-45-10 needs just a very light coat.
I put 90 rounds through the 06 and then shot this group.

I did some load developement with the Ranch Dog TL-311-165RF(plain base) and think I"m pretty close to a good load.
http://www.lsstuff.com/45-45-10/wc820-01.jpg
That's 4 shots under .5" @ 85yds, I don't know what happened with the 5th one.
I ended up with 14gns of WC820 with a loaded length of 2.990", seated just into the lands.

This was before I built my shooting bench, so I just stacked up some plastic tubs and cardboard boxes to rest off of.

We loaded up 300 rounds of 45Colt and shot most of them through the SS Puma M92 with 24" bbl all in one weekend and the barrel was still clean. That was with a 265 LFN with conventional lube grooves, and lubed with 45-45-10.

Just placed my order

Recently found a couple boxes of Speer swaged lead .44 SWCs. Soft and notorious for leading...but what if they were coated with White Label 45-45-10? Has anyone tried this with swaged bullets? Inquiring minds want to know....

45-45-10 is a great lube, so I would think that it could only help.
Try some and report back how it did.

Well since this tread is going no sense in starting anudder. I too use WLL 45-45-10 and have excellent results as others do. Here's my dilemma I fully understand that if you can see it you most likely have to much on the bullet. Well being on that has a hard time with the more must be better thoughts. I of course over lube (I'm sure). So this got me to thinking if I added some acetone to thin it out a bit when I squirt my stream of lube in the container I'll think I have a lot but probably will be just right. Since the acetone will flash off it "should be alright .............no? What practices do others use to force yourself to not use to much when lubing? ....................Ok I'm bored and have to much time to think :veryconfu

while I use homemade 45-45-10, I'm sure it's very similar to WLL 45-45-10.
Anyway, put a small amount of lube in the bowl with the boolits, I then heat the bowl/boolits/lube, the heat thins the lube and it spreads out evenly and covers 100%. If there was too much lube to start, the excess adheres to the bowl for the next batch.

Not my original idea as I read it here somewhere. I used to use 45-45-10 as well as BLL in a tub by swirling. Recently I have been simply placing the bullets, usually about 50, in a sandwich size zip-lock baggie and shake and roll them around with my hands, sort of like kneading bread? 4 or 5 drops in the bag with 50 bullets is usually just about enough.
Rick

You don't need much. The boolits should not leave residue on your fingers after they dry. In low humidity mine dry inside of an hour. I can fire 20 .308 rounds at 1650 and not have leading or a messy bore. I often spray Oneshot case lube on my boolits before sizing and then lube them with 45/45/10. No need for two coats.

I used my homemade version of 45/45/10 on about 200 H&G 68 this past week. I still use the butter tub to apply. I have found that, usually, I get too much in the tub on the first application. I also usually slightly heat the boolits before putting them in the tub. Not over about 125ºF and that is a guess. I don't trust myself to heat the bowl & lube also, as JonB does. The heat helps prevent too much lube on the boolit. I put about 50 in the tub and don't have to add any lube for the second batch. It is difficult to tell if they are covered by just looking. Present conditions plus getting older and lazier, I haven't done as much casting and shooting as I would like. Buying a new 1911 has me preparing for when things open up, to my satisfaction, not the government's who want to restore tax revenues.

This is so easy that I keep putting off starting to try powder coat.

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Originally Posted by WickedWillie

Recently found a couple boxes of Speer swaged lead .44 SWCs. Soft and notorious for leading...but what if they were coated with White Label 45-45-10? Has anyone tried this with swaged bullets? Inquiring minds want to know....

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I had a very large quantity of Lapua swaged lead bullets that had the defective lube or lead dust on them. They would lead the barrel of my Walther GSP terribly in less than 50 rounds. I did the gasoline wash and lubed with White Label Delux 45-45-10. The results were outstanding as there was zero leading after 250 rounds.

The 45/45/10 is hard to beat. Has worked on moderate pistol loads and gas checked rifle loads up to 1650. Accuracy is excellent.

I used it on 9mm regular lube groove 9mm boolits.
No issues.

Going to try it with the LEE 140 gr. SWC tomorrow.

Shiloh

I'll have to give it a try on 9mm. I've got homemade 45/45/10 and also a recipe where you heat a can of Johnson's paste wax and stir in one 4 oz. bottle of Xlox. The JPW recipe dries faster.

JPW has Naptha in it, which I believe is a little more volatile than the Mineral Spirits that I put in my 45-45-10. Maybe that's why it dries faster?

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Originally Posted by JonB_in_Glencoe

while I use homemade 45-45-10, I'm sure it's very similar to WLL 45-45-10.
Anyway, put a small amount of lube in the bowl with the boolits, I then heat the bowl/boolits/lube, the heat thins the lube and it spreads out evenly and covers 100%. If there was too much lube to start, the excess adheres to the bowl for the next batch.

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Same experience here. I PC 90% of my boolits but some cant have the extra coating thickness so 45:45:10 is a great alternative.

Love the 45-45-10
I use it on traditional lube groove handgun boolits. No issues at all, accuracy or leading, at media velocities. Taken it to 1250 plus with no issues in a .357

Shiloh

Thanks, guys!

I was looking to see if I had a problem with "old" lube (some WLL 45/45/10) as I have used it without any problems previously. Now I seem to have nothing but gumming up problems with my dies and press while loading up some 9mm and some boolits I have never tried before.

To tell the truth, it has been quite a while since I last lubed up any boolits, and with this batch I noticed alot of stickyness to them. I just thought the lube had "dried" out a bit and wasn't doing what I thought it used to.

After reading through here as a refresher to find some info, I realised that I have put way too much lube on the boolits and have caused my own problems. Now I think that I am going to try to either thin out the lube with some mineral spirits and reswirling them in my lube can; or just put more unlubed boolits in the can, preheated a bit, and see if some extra lube will come off and coat the new ones.

Which of the 2 ways sounds like it will work better to take off the extra lube I put on?

I shot some 9mm today with45/45/10 white label lube. Great stuff and so cheep it’s not worth me saving a few bucks to make it. I have never had any leading at all untill today. I also always always lubed non sized bullets. This time I sized to .357. the new lee mold I got the 105 gr swc. All the other lee molds I shot un sized and just tumble lubed. Never a problem. I will try to load some up tomorrow un sized and see how they do.all my nines are European made beretta 92fs and a few stars. They all like .358/.359. The reason I sized them is because my high point likes .357. Some times got to give it a little love pat on the back ov the slide using .358 in certain thick brass. I also will try only a very slight crimp also . Iam using a NOe .356/.360 expander and has worked great before on not sizing down my bullets. I have always had good luck in loading the biggest bullet that will fit. I also heated my lube in a pan of hot water before lubing them. After they dried you can’t see any on them. Iam also guilty of using to much the first time I tried the lube. Will try unsized first and I bet it will work out great. Also the accuracy was great from this bullet and lube. Started getting bigger groups after 20 or so rounds in each gun then I noticed the leading. I was using 4.0 gr of bullseye crimped in the crimp grove at .135 Next time will load them at .102 had a few that would not chamber in my high point it likes a little shorter oal