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That little black rig is sweet.
NICE guns Assassin!
.........not to show my ignorance but what, exactly, is a "barrel stubbed rifle"?
Art
Very nice. Were the Thompson's G-2 or Encores?
Just curious and If I may ask. Your thread choice? Are you using a torque shoulder at mating surface or quick change of some type? Gtek
So what do you charge to thread the stub and where are you located? Going to be there in two weeks. Kinda looks like the Watonga area.
What thread on the H&R, Gtek
Durn, guess I gotta try it myself. Want a heavier barreled 500 S&W and maybe a 300 Blackout 24" bbl'd gun.
Will be down in Sooner territory and out near Elk City.
Guess I gotta hit Teds in OKC and maybe some BBQ down in Noble!!
Why yes I do like them all! Thanks for sharing.
What's the price tag on converting a H&R to .41 Mag?
Assasin, could you please address the extractor groove with a little more detail. I'd be MUCH obliged if you could take a picture.
Do you disable the ejector and have an "extractor only" set up? That's the way I would go.
Thanks!
I feel a .35 caliber something in the works.......
Why do they feel like they know more because of some diploma you can get from a correspondence course?
For 13 years I worked in a machine shop running a mill, lathe, grinder, whatever and in the last few years a CNC mill. I've met old Tool Makers along the way that didn't even like guns and could do as good or better than most gunschmitts.
Those are fantastic. Man, I wish I had talent.
I will have to look again . Last time I went on the site there were comments about having removed the pictures that showed any detail of the process. Along with negitive remarks about "ameteurs" doing this kind of work. I was looking to have a barrel done but was totally turned off by that. My skill level is fairly low on a lathe but boring a hole and cutting some threads is something I can do if I practice a few times on some scrap. Won't be working at a production shop speed but its just a hobby. I don't care if it takes 3 days to recrown a barrel. It is the process of doing it that makes it fun. Not paying someone else to do it.
Doing a stubbed barrel was something I was going to have done. I would have liked to chamber it and finish myself. Now I will learn to do the whole job. And no it is not a "secret". But a lot of gunsmiths act like it is. It will be a learning process but that is what makes it satisfying.
I'm not trying to be negative but just show you the other side of the picture.
I hope that someday I will be able to the quality of work you and some others produce.
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;1711934]Why do they feel like they know more because of some diploma you can get from a correspondence course?
For 13 years I worked in a machine shop running a mill, lathe, grinder, whatever and in the last few years a CNC mill. I've met old Tool Makers along the way that didn't even like guns and could do as good or better than most gunschmitts.[/QUOTE
DW,
I am not singling out anyone in particular but...
I understand what you're saying, BUT I as a retired tool maker and amateur gunsmith on my own projects I can tell you there are a lot of things about gunsmithing and building guns that have no correlation to building tooling in most cases.
I have a good friend who went to Colorado for a 2 year school for gunsmithing. He is an excellent smith, but not a tool maker. Thanks to my friend, I understand a lot more about firearms than I would have if I didn't know him. He's a skilled machinist capable of making about anything you'd want to give him to make from a print. His knowledge in the gunsmithing arena is top notch. Many machinists and tool makers have no understanding of what the stresses and pressures are in firearms or what the function of various parts. Many gunsmiths are not as capable as machinists as professional tool makers and machinists in making super high precision parts. There are hacks in both professions. I'd guess that less than 5% of the tool makers/machinists I've met in my career have any understanding of the mechanics of a firearm.
As an example of what I am saying...what steels are appropriate for firearms and what ones are not and why? What metal joining processes are appropriate for firearms and why and where? What heat treating is correct for firearms and why? On what parts would a fellow want a very hard surface and what cases would he not want a very hard part?
AND lastly beyond the legal liability of making guns for others, there is also the question of the legality of doing so without the proper license and insurance. There are some pretty stiff penalties for breaking the federal laws concerning firearms.
Just my point of view here...
Edd
Thanks for the link.
I don't shoot break action rifles and I'm obviously missing something.
Why bother stubbing?
Why not just chamber and mount a new barrel?
edit, Never mind, I just looked at one of the links, you need the old barrel stub to provide the break action parts.
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Edd, the idea of even calling anyone a "Tool Maker" anymore is almost laughable. Computer Numeric Control and CAD has wiped out the old farts who really understood what it takes to make something by hand or simple tools. With that, the understanding of metallurgy has been lost to the fact that you can send a part out to heat treat and never understand what's going on. You look at a print nowadays and take it on faith that the engineer knows what he is doing. Not to many decades ago, it was NOT that way. I lament the passing of these kind of people. MEn my age and younger have not a clue anymore and those who do are as rare as an honest politician. The kind of people I was referring to WOULD know. I've met a few in the past years, but all were at the brink of being elderly.
Sweet looking rigs, I love that TC Norwegian Camo. LOL
I love them all. What is your source for the laminate. Nice colors.
Durn, guess I gotta try it myself. Want a heavier barreled 500 S&W and maybe a 300 Blackout 24" bbl'd gun.
Rockrat, just "google" David White. A fine gunsmith. I believe he started the "stub barrel" idea.
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You are correct, and I do agree.......................but we (Tool & Die Makers) are not all DEAD!
I dont know everything, but I have been tinkering around with guns since I was a kid. When I was 13 years old, my dad was shocked to come home and find his Browning A-5 completly disassembled on the coffee table. I was sitting there scrubbing on one of the bolt pieces with a toothbrush. Dad asked me what I was doing? I told him that I thought his gun needed cleaning and decided to do it for him. I also informed him that I had found a short barrel in the gun closet for the A-5 and I would put it on for him if he would like. The blessed man told me to make sure to do the job right, and told me to go ahead and swap barrels while I was at it. (In retrospect, I dont understand why my dad didn't take a belt to me and end my aspirations of being a gunsmith right there! I know I would have!) anyway, I remember finishing putting the shotgun back together with the short barrel and taking it to the back of the house to show my dad. He worked the action a few times and praised me for a job well done. (he also told me that none of his other guns needed my services, and that I should ask him before getting into them in the future)
5 years later, I decided to be a machinist for a living. I never quit tinkering with firearms though. Fast forward to the present day, and I have 15 years experience as a machinist with everything from a file and a coal forge, to a state of the art CNC EDM machine that cut metal with electricity. I also ran the heat treat department at my last job and have better than average experience with metal types and the hardness properties that they are capable of. There is hardly an action made this century that I have not been inside of. I will be getting my gunsmithing FFL in a few weeks (God willing) and I have a complete machine shop set up at home.
I say all of that to respond to a few of the posts in this thread.
First, Darn good work there ASSASSIN!
Second, there are a few of us that have devoted our lives to being old-time quality machinists/ tool makers and have listened and applied all of the knowledge that the previous generations could impart. :drinks:
Third, I feel exceptionally qualified to tell you that gunsmithing is a totally different discipline than tool and die making. The best machinist in the world still makes shortcuts that cannot be made when doing gunsmithing. It bugs me that some try to protect their income by saying that there is something magic about gunsmithing, and usually those guys know just enough about the trade to get by, but there is a darn good reason that some dont go throwing information to the masses like confetti. The thing about gunsmithing is that it must be done right! If the job needs a file, you use a file. If the job needs a lathe, you use a lathe. Lots of folks figure "oh I can do that in my garage no problem! I got a hand drill, a dremel tool and a file, what else do I need?) Well, its true that you might be able to do a couple specific operations with those tools, but one slip and you endanger yourself, and anyone you pawn the gun off on in the future. We have to clean up after folks who thought they could do it in their garage all the time, and what I have seen would scare you. An ameture backyard gunsmith is a specialist at turning a perfectly good firearm into a pipe bomb. Every now and then someone is mechanically inclined enough to do it right, and disciplined enough to realize when they don't have the tools for the job and take it to someone who does.
I have been doing both gunsmithing and machine-shop for the last 15 years, spent every dime I made on it too, and I still consider myself only halfway there (if that).
Not only that, but there is nothing new under the sun. All of the stuff that is done has been done before and has been published for our reading pleasure by fellas who spent their whole lives gathering information and then wrote it down in a book for us to glean from. (at least all of the normal stuff you are likely to run into).
Its nice to see so many professional jobs done in one slide show! Its the details, God is in the details!
Are any of these SBR's or is it an illusion because the stub blends in with the receiver?
I do not know when " barrel stub " thecnique started, but I own one action that was commercially rebarreled during the 30' by Cooey in Canada and sold by Eaton's Dept. stores. The action is a Carcano 6.5x52 and at the time since no ammo available it was rebarrel with 6.5x54 Mannelicher Schoenouer barrels treaded in to the stub of the original barrel.
I am drooling while I am looking at the pictures your rifles.....!!! Tks.
Last one doesn't have a brake, can't stand the noisy buggers
Not trying to hijack this thread, but here is an inline muzzle loader I built sometime ago from an old h&R1900 12 gauge. This one was done on a shoe string budget.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=124136
Bill
Assasin, you ever done one of these in a .300 BLK? I can't help thinking about one with an integral suppressor on a form 4 would be awesome!
Assasin, I'll send you a pm. I'd be interested in a rifle well balanced for shooting standing, offhand, with hooded bead and adjustable rear.
Wow,
Assassin, simply awesome!
That is something I would like to do some day in the near future, I will be looking you up!
A super accurate shorty big bore single shot, that would be sweet.
Is there a way to do iron sights with maybe a skinner peep sight and also some way to QD a scope?
Thanks for sharin!
Dan
Very nice work, thanks for taking the time to post them. I'm curious, have you ever built one of your rifles in the .357 Max with perhaps a barrel that is not as heavy and a bit longer to be used as a hunting rifle? OOPS, spoke too soon I went to your forum page and see you do. Thanks.