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As stated in the title, what is it? Belongs to a friend. No manufacturer stamp, not even a caliber designation anywhere. Has a flip up ladder sight with a missing bar in it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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A small ring Mauser of some sort. Possibly a Swede M38, how big is the bore? Swede is 6.5mm, or could be 7mm or 8mm depending on the country it was issued to.
Curious as to why there would be no markings.
If the bolt face is flat on the bottom and it is a 7mm, it’s a 1893 Mauser/1916 Oviedo.
The absence of a thumb cut for stripper clips is like one of mine.
It looks like the bolt handle has been modified.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...847033465b.jpg
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Ive seen ammo and rifles with no markings. From what I was told they were both meant for clandestine operations where the supplying country didnt want or couldnt risk being identified.
Many folks who got older actions to refurbish would grind until the rust was gone. Sometimes that meant the markings as well, especially if the rifle is not unusual. Since yours looks like it was modified for a scope I suspect that might be the case here.
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Originally Posted by Texas by God
It is Not uncommon to find Oviedo Mausers with No Markings beyond Serial.
BTW Someone may have done a Good Job on that bolt handle..Any interest in Trading for an Original??
Okay, there seems to be a consensus on what it is. I will slug the barrel a little later today and report back. Hopefully with the help of the knowledge base on here a caliber can be determined.
Thanks for the replies. Any more info posted would be welcome.
James
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Originally Posted by Finster101
1893, 1894, 1895 Mauser - cock-on-closing actions.
Even with no factory origin markings on the receiver, most times the caliber is stamped into the underside of the barrel, near the receiver.
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Pietro, thanks for the info. Removed the stock but no cigar on this one. Here are a couple more photos.
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Not on Oviedo's...None of mine are!Quote:
Originally Posted by pietro
Usually the Crest exists on the ones Converted to 7.62 CMTE (Not 308)
so naked like that, all I have Contacted with are 7X57
Just checked a 93/1920 Oviedo action and barrel on the shelf. Full crest on front ring, but no caliber markings anywhere. Flat bottom bolt, thumb cut, 7x57. A chamber cast is your best bet.
texas is correct... 93/16 Oviedo. Too bad the bolt is turned down.
Both of mine in the picture were 7x57mm with crest. Both shot like throwing rocks so I rebarreled them to 6.5x55 and 30-30.
They were previously sportered -so no collectors value was lost.
I recently got two more 1916 actions in project form and they both have no markings. If they had crests, they were removed carefully by whoever did it- not ground off like Arisakas.
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Since it was bought up, what might be an approximate value?
As with anything, what someone is willing to pay. No real collector value since it's not all original. The one similar example I have, came home with me for 150, knowing the sewer pipe barrel was taking a short walk off a long pier. A good number of sad Mauser rifles have followed me home. I enjoy turning them back into something useful, that's value to me.
As already posted, value is what someone might actually be willing to pay. Around this part of the world, with a decent bore, maybe $250-$300. FWIW, though, 5 or 6 years ago, I paid (IIRC) around $180 for a full-military 93/16 Oviedo Short Rifle, rebarreled to 7.62 for use by the Gardia Civil, with crest and all matching numbers. Right now, Simpson's Ltd has one just like it, with a non-matching bolt, flagged for $650.
Bill
Funny.. when we cloned it with our added alterations, Germany was all over us with patent infringements, so much for being identified ! LOLQuote:
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Could it be a well-made copy from the Khyber Pass? The artisans there are known for making high quality copies of western guns.
Got a chance to slug it. Definitely 7mm. Bore actually looks good from what I can see, no bore scope. Very pronounced rifling.
Good news. mine are all a bit oversize Bore...so, beagle, a Mold, and go!! Oh, and No matter how smooth it looks...I have Needed a Gas Check!!
It's a sporterized 1893 Mauser in 7x57 Mauser. These are very common. It has no collector value. The value of this rifle is in the enjoyment of shooting it. Generally, 7x57 Mauser's prefer long & heavy bullets. I've had the best accuracy shooting my 7x57's using the RCBS 7-168-Sp with around 28.0 grains of IMR-3031. If loading jacketed bullets, the lowest listed loads in most reloading manuals are maximum for rifles like small ring Mauser's and rolling blocks.
Also, the rear sight is a ramp style sight, not a vernier style sight. lifting the ramp slide up like that is not how you use it. Depress the spring loaded lever on the side of the rear sight and slide it either forward or back on the slide to adjust elevation. The farther forward you place the sight the longer range it's sighted for. PS; If you need to adjust windage, Mauser's almost always have a set screw (hard to find) as part of the front sight, so don't just try to drift the front sight over without checking for this. Load some ammo and have fun shooting your rifle.
a lot of those were Belgium/Argentine 7.65 mauser, just sayin