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Whit this combination ?
Cartridge: 9,3x57
Boolit 278gr GC cast from Lyman No2 alloy
V5= 640 M/S
I get 5 shot groups that are under 60mm at 80m using a Husqvarna M/46
The recovered boolits in the pictures has travelled through some 65cm of wet newspaper placed at 80m and has retained 89,4% of there weight as an average
Thoughts and ideas ?
Happy casting and hunting :)
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278 grain at 2100fps? Most anything I think...but I am only familiar with game in No. America...I can't imagine many animals on Earth fairing well against a properly placed round like that though
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That should work on most any North American game. Elk(wapiti), moose(your elk?) for sure, large bears - OK, fine for all the smaller stuff. Should be fine for feral pigs, wild boar.
Your load, as pictured/described, should be very effective on just about any game except dangerous game up close.
While I don't use a bullet that heavy (I use a 200 gr bullet) in my 35 Remington I push it at 2150 fps (rebarreled M91 Mauser). I use a harder alloy for practice because it maintains accuracy. However, for hunting deer, elk, moose and black bears I prefer a softer bullet for better/quicker expansion. Mixing COWWs with 2% tin then mixing that at 50/50 with pure lead ending up with a 97/1.5/1.5 alloyed bullet that I let air cool. That softer bullet works very well giving excellent penetration and expansion with very good weight retention. On smaller game such as deer I also HP the bullet 3/16" deep with a 1/8" Forster HP tool. To maintain the best accuracy with the softer bullet I clean the barrel every 8 shots or so. Seemingly a PITA but when hunting, especially game, one doesn't shoot that much anyway........or shouldn't at least.......
If you get one of your moose with your load please let us know how it performed?
I would feel comfortable shooting anything on the North and South American continent with that.
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I am just a stupid Hillbilly so we cipher using Imperial measurements.
Wet newspaper aka wet-pack is a fantastic test medium. If a medium to large caliber bullet can go 25 plus inches, or better yet 35 plus inches, you could kill most any on earth.
i would shoot a moose with that!! easy.
i like what larry said about alloy though.. i do tend to carry a much harder alloy for big bear protection, but a softer allowy sure does expand better.. and moose are pretty easy to kill.. they have huge lungs. one shot with even a small ish 30 cal can penatrate the rib cage and double lung them, and hitting them is basically hitting the broad side of a barn.
marko
That load would take any animal on the North American continent. What do you have in Sweden that is bigger than a full grown brown bear?
Large Russian boar, perfect load. Moose and other thin skinned game I would use a softer alloy.
Hi
Thanks for all the answers and kind remarks :) I developed this as a practice load so that i could shoot more for the same buck, as an afterthought i thought i would test it and se how i preformed in wet paper and if it would work as a hunting load. I have not shoot any large game using a lead only boolit and it is not so common here so i am a little apprehensive of doing so. And as our big game hunts (moose and brown bear) tend to be group affairs you often end up shooting on a moving animal. So i wonder i there are some thoughts on this boolit and alloy would react hitting bone?
Regards
Ha i think it would be better to ask how the bone would react being hit by that....ans likely, it'll shatter like a dimestore plate and send multiple fragments as secondary wound channels....while the bullet plows on throughQuote:
Originally Posted by math
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Bout anything short of a Sherman Tank.
What alloy are you using? How much tin? Hard and tough would mean the boolit should stay together after impacting bone. Hard and brittle means it si likely to shatter if it hits bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by math
Theres nothing in North America that that wouldnt work great on and if it will work on everything here, it will also work great on 90%+ of African animals
What alloy are you using? How much tin? Hard and tough would mean the boolit should stay together after impacting bone. Hard and brittle means it si likely to shatter if it hits bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by math
Certainly, anything short of water buffalo, elephant, rhino and hippo. I'd want a .40+ caliber for the big boys.
It is Lyman No2, 90% pb 5% sn 5% sb or as close to this as i am able to make it in this batch ther was trace amount of cu and ag as a result of the babbit i used to make the alloyQuote:
Originally Posted by brewer12345
I use a very similar bullet in my 9.3x62 and use the same alloy. I would hunt anything moose to mouse and given a good rest and slow moving targets bring on the big bear!
That might kill a good sized Buick. Hunt with confidence.
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I have been working with the 9.3 x 62mm Mauser for a few years now and found it to shoot a cast Accurate 37-285-C very well I would say with this slug going over 2000fps I would have no second thoughts about hunting any thing in north America out to about 200 yards. if the big 5 in Africa got involved I would be looking in to J-words
Agree with all of the above. On thin-skinned game that doesn't bite or claw your aspirations up, cast the bullets as a Bruce B Soft Point (should be archived on this site) and go make meat.
Math, hi there fellow Swede!
As for game in Sweden I have taken a number of moose, some of decent size and 15 + wild boars with the biggest at 160kg with my 9.3x57. My velocities are about the same as yours but I only use j words so far..
The big boar went 50 meters, all the others less.
I would say that you are good to go!
I totally agree with poster #13. I say there 'ya go with poster #22 who has been there and done that. I'd just say that you can hunt with confidence almost anything anywhere. I would, as one poster said, switch to J-word bullets if the game was something like the really big and bad stuff such as elephant, hippo, rhino, water buffalo, & cape buffalo. The limiting factor for cast boolits for my loading techniques would be if long range shooting were involved in situations above 300 yards. Not say it isn't done. I just don't work at long range loading with cast. In my limited hunting experience, my big game has been less than 100 yards and more than likely in the neighbor-hood of 50-60 yards. So cast works for virtually all my hunting. Mine is a 9.3x74 in a single shot rifle. I use basically the same boolit you listed but mine is a 50/50 mix for hunting and straight COWW for target work.
[QUOTE=smoked turkey;4696176I would, as one poster said, switch to J-word bullets if the game was something like the really big and bad stuff such as elephant, hippo, rhino, water buffalo, & cape buffalo.[/QUOTE]
Why so? The general consensus is that J words are softer, unless you get some partitioned, and cast being harder and with a more pronounced meplat would penetrate farther. I would not choose a j word for any of the dangerous game you mentioned.
I'm with Doug here about general bullet selection.
For game that won't try to eat me,a basic lung shot with an expanding j-boolit is my pick. In moose, my 45-70 bullets often stop to the other side hide and kill fast. Speer makes the good soft 400 grainer again. Long shots over 150 m have gone through, less expansion.
Dangerous game needs to be stopped instantly,it's a different ballgame. There I want brute force penetration. Enter heavy hard tough alloy cast.
Having said that,I have taken two moose with 9,3x62. Both j-bullets went through. Also,my friend shot a moose calf with 9,3x62 j-bullet last fall, distance 50 m, the bullet went through,ricocheted in 45° angle and unintentionally killed the cow at another 60 meters. The bullet was found in the cow's spine.
I would go with soft alloy wide meplat IF I was going to hunt moose with cast. But overpenetration might still be an issue. A good expanding j-bullet works hard and makes mucho damage.
Hi
It would seem as i could use this round on any game we have here in Sweden with confidence :) If i will do so is another thing altogether as i said we hunt for moose and bears in groups and prejudice can be a strong thing. This Husqvarna in 9,3x57 was given to me by my grandmothers husband on my 18 (leagal age for owning hunting weapons in Sweden if you have gone through the courses and passed the exam) I used it for some years before i got a 358 Norma Magnum, then it was a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 that i used for a couple of years, great caliber! But then the urge to own a Africa caliber become to great so i had to sell the 45-70 (you can only have 6 guns for hunting) and had a gunsmith make me a 425 Westley Richards on a Husqvarna 1640 ( basically a Muser 98) action and this is the rifle i have shoot most of my moose with using my own swaged bullets :) The 358 nm went away to the same gun smith and come back as a 275 Rigby as i so the need for something lighter to use for roe dear and so ;) And about a year ago i started to get nostalgic and thoughts of using that old gun came to mind befor he who had given me the gun passed away so i had the handle replaced and a scope mounted and succeed in geting a moose calf before he passed in january this year. I started hunting moose at 18 and this august i find my self turning 41, where has the years gone ? and i have been lucky enough to shoot 1 or 2 moose every year except 2009 as i deployed for Afghanistan that autumn.
And as i had gained a lot more experience in casting boolits i thought i would try and do so for this old girl, a target round in first hand and a bonus if it should pass for hunting and all your stories and confidence in this is comforting please keep them coming,
Thank you all :)
math,
While I prefer a bullet with a larger meplat, your examples seem as though they should take anything in most areas of the world, and for sure anything North of the equator.
I have had, and of course this is with proper bullet placement, very good results using my 45/70 with a 465gr Wide Flat Nose cast of 50/50 wheel weights/lead and water quenched.
Velocity 1650fps. Three elk all at over 100yds, the furthest 161yds.
Crusty Deary Ol'Coot
T- Rex????:bigsmyl2:
Hi Math, I've got one of those M46 rifles and really appreciate the light weight, accuracy and serious thump. My hat is off to the old Swedes who built them. I have never shot any thing but Norma factory ammo, I think they are 286gr. at about 2000 fps. Only game I have shot with mine is some whitetail deer, they go about 3 feet after being hit, straight down! I do live in grizzly bear country and I would not worry a bit about using a 9.3x57 as a defensive firearm on a bear.
Anyway, I am interested in your cast bullet. What is the mold? It looks like just the answer for the large throat in my rifle.
Thanks,
Dennis
Hi kootne
The mold is #37-285B from Accurate that Tom cut to the dimensions of my rifle, and my rifle likes big boolits .370 driving bands and the bore riding portion just touchning the rifling
Regards
Math
Good morning
We shoot hundreds of 275 FNGC grain cast from our 375 H&H rifles running between 1850- 2200 fps. So far no critter has walked away.
We do not have bears or moose in our East ILLinois river bottoms. But if any were and could be legally hunted I would not hesitate to use a 50/50 (pure / WW) slug on it.
If you want a massive wound channel paper patch your cast and push it to 2400 fps. Or consider powder coat (we tumble our's then bake) as so far at 2300 fps we get no leading with the 50/50 cast. The slower powders (4831) do very well with these cast.
Down here in the southern Peru high deserts (3000 meters +) there are no critters to hunt legally except wild burrow and they are easily taken with a 308 and a 180 FNGC grain slug at 1900 fps.
Mike in Peru
Hi Math,
Thanks for the mold info.
Dennis
Buick, sureQuote:
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...But probably not a Studebaker ;)
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Anything that wasn't fixin' to eat ME! That is real close to the 35 Whelen that I loaded for a black bear hunt and I have used 35 Remington with 200 grain bullets at 1950 FPS to take most everything else I hunt. In fact 30-40 Krag with the old 220 bullet at 2000 fps has killed most everything in the Midwest with no problems, if you put the bullet where it belongs. Accuracy is way more important than energy.