Since Iowa just moved to use 45-70 for white tail this year what are some peoples favorite load for deer?
Black powder or smokeless.
Thanks Scott
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Since Iowa just moved to use 45-70 for white tail this year what are some peoples favorite load for deer?
Black powder or smokeless.
Thanks Scott
Won't take much. A case full of trail Boss or about 12.0g of Unique with the standard 405g cast bullet will bowl a deer over no problem.
It doesn't take much to kill a deer if you put it in the engine room where it belongs. Shot placement beats uber super magnum any day.
i use a 405gr fbfn and a varget(can't remember the load, but it is a springfield load).
i have found that a 330gr gould hp is a great one too. i would go with a springfield load too.
I use a Gould 330 grain HP for our Blacktails out here. I know some would say to use a hardcast flat nose and I wouldn't argue with them. I like the HP because it is accurate and kills our small deer quickly. Also no gas check makes it cheaper to shoot. I have a 405 RCBS for anything bigger.
I'd think just about any Trapdoor load as long as it had a flat nose would work just fine.
I guess I was looking more for mold info, I only have two right now. A 535 postell and a 457121ph, I think a bit overkill for deer. I was also wondering if the lyman 457122 330hp bullet would work in a miroku 1886. Looks like a good boolit for deer.
That would be a great bullet in most 45-70's .. as for the miroku.. don't have one ..so cant say as far as fit goes
I use a NOE 460 350 HP which comes out at about 330 4 deer last year all DRT
The Lyman 457122 is the Gould bullet (iirc). If you make it accurate, it'll work. I have used the 460-420 (415 gr large meplat) with great success for everything. Right now I'm experimenting with a 350 gr RD boolit but haven't got to where I want to be, yet. Personally, I stay down in the trap door load levels and haven't ever found a reason to go higher.
I've been working with a 3oo grain Saeco and the 350 grain Lee and 5744 in mine. I have no doubt that combo would take Bambi doen cleanly in my normal hunting conditions.
I'm just getting into the 4570curious about varget. I don't remember seeing varget listed for light 4570 loads..im greatful for any info or direction ....
That's a deep rabbit hole but I have a 405g hollow base single cavity made by Lee years ago. Maybe you can find one on Ebay. It shoots like a house fire in my buddy's 450 Marlin which is basically the same thing you have. I figured seating depth then measured 100% case fill with no compression using Trail Boss. He's taken several deer with it and managed a cool shot on a coyote that was raiding his chickens. It was a frontal shot between his front legs. It exited out the poor things junk. I guess it was because it was a slightly angled down shot off the back porch. .....it didn't run for some reason. LOL!
I use a 350 RD with RL7 in my GBL. 1 hog and 2 deer since Ohio allowed them. Like a lot of people say DRT.
I also am going to use the Gould hp this season
will use rl-7 or 3031
have used an 420 gr accurate mold boolit previously
Thanks, HBAR2989
Doing some surfing, looks like this boolit should work in the Miraku 1886.
The Gould is deadly, but tears up a lot of meat. The 457121ph works like a champ, is accurate, and is fine for bears and anything else that comes along. It will destroy less meat than the Gould and give far greater penetration. Either bullet is a winner--my favorite and the one I use is the 457121ph.
325 WFN over a dose of Unique works fantastic as does the Gould HP with a fiber wad or pillow ticking over a nice low dose of Unique.
12.0 Grains Unique with Dacron wad for the 325 grain WFN
10.0 grains Unique with a Dacron wad for the Gould HP
Easy shooting accurate and deadly and easy on the shoulder.
I use the tlc460-310-rf that Ranch Dog designed for the Marlin. NOE has the 350 grain version with and without the gas check. Either of these will do the job with their big, fat meplats. I use them in a lever action and an original Trapdoor.
Lee 440 and 10.5 grains of Unique gives me 1100 fps and very accurate at 50.
That works for some of my hunting spots and there is room to go up in powder wt. if you need it.
I just started casting the Lee 340gr. I wanted a lighter load to shoot for practice so I'm using the Trap Door start load in the Lyman cast loading book. I think this would make a very good whitetail thumper as well.
As far as the mould and the boolit goes it's quickly becoming one of my favorite Lee moulds.
Motor
BTW: Don't tell anyone but the 300gr JHP at Marlin Guide Gun pressures absolutely puts the smack down on them. I do apologize for mentioning the J-word. Sorry. :rolleyes:
Motor. What you said! Not much says DRT like a 300 gr Hornady JHP @ 2200! That being said a 350 Ranch Dog at 2/3 that speed is more than plenty.
I use either a Hornady or Remington 300 gr. JHP over H-322 at 1880 fps out of a Guide Gun. It is devastating on deer without being overly destructive of meat and has a point blank range of 150 yds.
Ranch Dog 350's at 1750 are very effective as well but not as accurate in my rifle.
sac,
ANY of the usual "trapdoor safe" .45-70 loads will be FINE for WT, imo. = WTs just aren't that hard to kill.
(My 1st cousin has taken numerous WT with a Marlin .357 rifle, using "plain vanilla" 158 grain RNL .38SPL loads out to 50M. - He is a DEADLY with most any weapon & a MUCH better shot than I'll ever be.)
yours, tex
Rick, Like you we have used both the Remington and Hornady bullets equally well with the same load.
I found out something last year that really shocked me. Hodgdon's data for the Marlin 1895 using the 300gr JHP changed dramatically. The maximum load INCREASED a lot over what it was only a few years ago. I e-mailed them about it and they answered that the new data was correct. They had brought the maximum pressure up to what the .444 Marlin is noting that the .444 is chambered in the same model rifle.
Personally, the old max load is about all I'd want to shoot recoil wise and my rifle is ported. I couldn't imagine like 5 more grains of powder.:shock:
The recoil from the "old max" 300gr load is what prompted me to get the 340gr Lee and load it light.
Motor
The last 3 deer I killed were with the Lee 405gr. RNFP plain base over 15-16gr. Unique. It will flatten deer.
RCBS 300gr. RNFP , mine go 325gr. lubed with the gas check, over 41.5gr. of IMR4198. works in my number one Ruger.
Good morning Sac
Your Miroku 86 probably is like all the other well made jap barrels. Both ours and all I have been in contact with will shoot cast sized or as cast .457-.459 very well. They seem to make barrels very consistent and accurate. Yours will like a diameter somewhere in that range.
Your part is to decide which cast you want to blow through your corn crunchers and make it accurate. Should not have any problem coming up with a combination that will shoot 1.5 inches at 100 yards.
Mike in Peru
You could just about throw any .45-70 bullet hard enough to kill WTD. The accuracy part is up to you.
I cast the NOE RD 460-350 out of water dropped wheel weights over enough Varget to hit 1,950fps out of a Guide Gun (Hodgon's data for 350gr jacketed). That load has shot well out of six Marlins, one H&R and an Italian Hi Wall clone belonging to various friends and slain multiple deer without drama.
I like 32gr IMR 4198 with 300gr flat nose boolit it is pleasant in my Marlin cowboy and groups nice
Well sac, good question. If I go out it will be to my apple orchard carrying my Marlin 1895 cowboy. I have a very old 456192 mold that is my favorite 45/70 bullet, easy casting and drops nice fat bullets. I think that mold was originally made for the old winnies with their large bores. 13 grains of Unique is all I have ever used under it whether shooting the cowboy or the Encore. By the time I read Veral's book in the 80'S about velocity and killing power I had already come to the same conclusion empirically.
I also have a MiHec 457122 HP & pen-ta point but for the first year of Iowa's rifle season its time to put that old bullet back to use out of a long barreled lever gun.
With a 45-70, penetration on WTD is not likely to be a problem, with just about any load.
I like to use 45gr Rx7 under a RCBS 300gr fpgc, 1650 in my Henry steel, haven't chronoed the 1886 yet.
Looks like I will go with the lyman 330hp, as I want to keep over penetration to a minimum. Now I just have to wait for lyman to make some.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
Scott, Keep your eyes peeled for a nice used old one and you will be happy. Try a want to buy in the classified here, nothing to loose. Good luck on your rifle whitetail.
I am still with my stand by NOE .460-405gr HP pushed as hard as your shoulder can take with IMR4198 pushing it.
Happy for you Scott. Keep us posted on your progress as you get ready for hunting season. Over 55 years ago my uncle told me you need to shoot at least twice a week starting 3 to 4 months before season or shooting match's. He was really right, it makes a big difference. Velocity kills when you're shooting jacketed bullets, NOT so when your shooting lead. Remember the buffalo hunters that cleaned the plains with big slow lead bullets. Hope you post a pic of the monster you take for us guys, goes for all the Iowa guys using rifles & handguns with their home brew lead bullets.