Just picked up a Tikka T3X TAC-A1 6.5mm Creedmoor 24″ Barrel Precision Rifle. Looking for a good long-range scope. I will be shooting up to about 1000m. Any suggestions?
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Just picked up a Tikka T3X TAC-A1 6.5mm Creedmoor 24″ Barrel Precision Rifle. Looking for a good long-range scope. I will be shooting up to about 1000m. Any suggestions?
Your budget needs to be known to narrow down suggestions. For reasonable priced glass I really like my 6.5-20 power Burris scopes $220 tyd. My highest end scopes are Leupolds and yes they are a little clearer at dawn and dust than my Burris’s of equal power. I never jumped on the vortex wagon. They are priced similar to Leupold and not made in USA. I have a couple 20 power Nikon monarchs with fine crosshairs I bought used that clarity wise fall between the Leupolds and Burris’s. I prefer the fine crosshairs when shooting to 1000. I have friends with vortex scopes that prefer my nikons. I don’t have enough experience with scopes of higher quality than these above to make any recommendations.
Need to know budget before suggestions can be made. Yes, quality glass costs, but your time and energy, ammo expenditure is also important.
For long range clarity is not your major concern tracking is. Good tracking scopes tend to start at about $1,000.00 and go up from there. Your need and budget will determine what your options are.
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If your budget allows Night Force is one of the best but-they’re not cheap. I shoot 1000 yds with a 5 X 20 Nikon. I also use a Vortex HS and a Vortex first focal plane at 1000 yds. At a know distance you can use apps to dial in your numbers after applying weather and wind conditions. My Vortex scopes have been less than $400 and have served me well but I’m just a casual shooter and not a competitor.
Athlon Argos 6-24x50 would be a better option for this purpose. It has a great review from here: https://ioutdoorpursuit.com/long-range-rifle-scope/Quote:
Originally Posted by hawke
Lots of elevation adjustments available and illuminated too. Mystic Precision in Summerland BC stocks it.
There's a sign over the door in an Automotive Machine Shop in my town, It says,,,
"Speed Costs Money,,, How fast do you want to go?"
It applies to many things.
Randy
Schmidt and Bender
you're going to get the bsa and leapers fans all upset. LOL with no budget id tend to lean that way myself. a budget is really needed to give advice on optics. im a nightforce guy myself, and for one with a little extra money to burn an NXS is a great scope, for slightly smaller budgets, the SHV does 95% of what the NXS does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Love Life
No doubt, if you do not want to spend a lot of money, you can ask SWFA for one of your scopes. Already the 10X42 is suitable for what you want to do.
If I could buy it from Argentina, I would do it without a doubt. The next line the HD I have seen and have very good lenses. I recommend you in the foreground and then you will decide whether a thousand dot or a milirad. I am more familiar in the metric system, so it serves me more in miliradians.
For 300 Us dollars come into the game.
With out naming any brands. And as said with out a budget to work in. Naming a cope is almost imposible. So....
Things to look for are 1) parallax adjustment, you need to be able to set parallax to the range so head position / changes don't affect impact.
2) power / magnification, this can be a blessing or a curse depending on conditions. to much and mirage becomes an issue to little and fine alignment becomes harder. Also as magnification foes up eye relief gets smaller.
3) Eye relief, Here you want enough to use in all positions from bench to prone
4) adjustments, target turrets and fine adjustments are a plus when correcting for wind light temp humidity. Repeatability is also important. Easily readable graduations. 1/4 min re good and a lot use these 1/8 moa are finer but a lot more adjusting running wind. 1/4 moa is 2.5" per click at 1000yds 1/8" is 1.25" at 1000yds.
I used a lepould 6.5-20 long range scope for 1000yds. This was on a fast twist 243. Depending on conditions some days would be turned down around 12X due to mirage and weather. On good days I could use it a the full 20X. Parallax also varied slightly from match to match. This scope did great all around service for me .
Most overlook the mounting system on a long range set up. This is almost as important as he scope is to reliable ease and function. a bridge mount properly mounted and with 20 moa built in to it will help a lot in the it will have the crosshairs closer to center at longer ranges and make the lenses clearer. The mount needs to be solid strong and stable. It needs to position the scope in the right place. and if shooting matches needs to be repeatable so when going from Iron to scope the scope can be mounted reliably when the time comes.
My 243s scope rail is set up with 20 moa in it a mount for the aperture rear sight and cross bolt alignment slots. the scope and rear sight repeat under 1/2 moa.
BTW, this is likely not the right forum to ask IMHO. There are very few who have shot 1000 yards. I used to be a member of a sniper forum and they will have more people doing what you want to do.
When I purchased mine, the Vortex Razor HD 5-20 was well thought of; but that was 5-6 years ago and there are likely better choices now. I have never shot at that distance so cannot give a recommendation.
Good luck
I can name you at least a dozen castboolit members that are 1,000 yard competitors. I do agree that places like Benchrest Central or various F-Class or Highpower or long range forums may better address your question. The PRS forums may be a good source but they are the new kids on the block and lots on there are just keyboard experts but not like the sniper forums. The sniper forums have a very large keyboard commando problem. Disseminating truth from fiction can be a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by dverna
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Originally Posted by M-Tecs
Schmidt & Bender.......you'll never look back!
There are many "tacti'cool" scopes priced from $200 +/- up to $4000+ that will get you to 1000m. You get what you pay for with optics in quality, durability and tracking ability, as mentioned by M-Tecs. Really need to know your price range to make a recommendation/suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawke
A couple of dozen is not many IMHO. Not putting down members here...just think the OP would benefit from a forum more aligned with his needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by M-Tecs
When I frequented the Sniper forum it did not take long to weed out the chaff. Same as most forums.
BTW, I belong to a tractor forum and see the same thing. Not the best forum to get advice on selecting a rifle or caliber but it happens.
good thing we have someone to tell us who is qualified to give advice.
I think we scared the OP off.
This is why I make it a point never to ask for this kind of advice. I've used the cheapest and the most expensive I can afford and I've had the pricey ones go bad and cheapies work out well. I've also had the cheap stuff take a dump on me in pretty short order.Quote:
Originally Posted by osteodoc08
If price was not a consideration I'd most likely buy the most expensive but I've found that this is not really necessary. A loose analogy would be Snap-On tools vs Harbor Freight tools. In the right hands even the cheaper tools will do the job. Some of today's cheaper scopes are the near equivalent to the high end scopes of yesteryear. Still, if you can afford it the logical thing to do is buy the expensive stuff and hope it gives you no trouble.
HollowPoint
no expert but heres my take on it. a 1000 yards isn't 10x territory and not even 4x12 territory. You can buy a decent 4x12 for 500 bucks or so but to buy something that has good resolution at over 20x (and that's what you need) you are going to pay good money for it. If you cant afford it stick with a 4x12 and the handicap it brings. Some just don't understand that a 1000 yards is A LONG WAYS AWAY and isn't like shooting deer sized game at 300 yards. It takes specialized equipment (ie expensive) if you want to actually score out that far.
Lowest I recommend for 1,000 yards is 16X. The more mag the better, but mag gets handicapped by mirage. A 6-24 is about perfect for most things. I prefer a 4-16 power scope.
As to magnification; back in the not to far distant past 10X was the "standard" for sniper work out to 1000m (1100 yards). I did a lot of 1000 yard shooting with .308W/7.62 NATO rifles with 3x9 scopes on 9X and 10X Leupolds on M24s. I also shot a lot of small squirrels and other sundry varmints out to 600 yards with a T-10. However, I also used a T-16 for long range rock chuck shooting and thought it was the cats meow. Of course the higher the magnification, with quality lens, the better. Some years back I moved up to a couple Leupold 6.5x20 target scopes and a B&L 6x24 Elite and thought they were great. I still use all mentioned but this last year I sold 3 rifles to buy a Nightforce NXS 8x32......and now am totally spoiled...........and am stretching my LR shooting well past 1000 yards........
Truthfully, excellent scopes with the necessary lens quality, elevation adjustment MOA range, tracking repeatability and other bells and whistles are available with top end powers of 16 - 24X in the $900 to $1500 price range. The Vortex PST gen II and the Athlon Aries series are a couple I've worked with than perform well and hold up. By "hold up" I mean the elevation tracking does not appreciably wear, get soft and not track after a lot of usage. The more inexpensive scopes may do well at first, especially if just zeroed and left there, but do not hold up tracking well after much use.
With optics for long range precision shooting you get what you pay for. Same as with the rings and base which should be a 1 piece base with 20 or 30 degree slant built in to maximize elevation adjustment in the scope.
I see Midway has the Leupold Mark 4 Long Range Tactical M1 scope [8.5x25x50mm] on sale for $1,099.00. That's an excellent price for that scope. It's a TMR reticle and probably in the 1st focal plain. While I'm not a fan of either it certain is a good choice for those who do like that reticle and 1st focal plain and certainly has all the other attributes for an excellent long range scope.
This is my favorite for what you describe. Its kind of a middle of the road optic price wise. Sightron and Burris have some nice ones also for just a little more money. My suggestion is attend a few matches, most of the guys will let you shoot their equipment. That's what I did and found price isn't necessarily an indicator of the glass and features you need. Just like mil vs moa, I must have taken to much shop class is High School as I'm an moa guy.
https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-vipe...iflescope.html
Vortex really takes good care of veterans.
I am no expert but I did shoot 100,200, 300 yds benchrest (early 90's w/6ppc sleeved xp-100), 600 yds Benchrest (Rem 700 trued- 29" Brux 6br in McMillan MBR w/ Sightron SIII 8-32), as well as shooting F/TR at Camp Butner- Rem 700 trued- 28" Brux in customized H-S again 8-32 Sightron SIII...
Great Glass and very capable- can be found on Ebay used under $900...
My first 600-1000yds matched were shot with a REAL early TASCO 24x target (Japanese-GREAT glass).
In the last 5 years I have developed a bad astigmatism and longer compete.
#2 son is going to put a leopold series 5 3x15 x56 scope on his Tika 6.5 Creedmore. Probably won't shoot 1000 yds but will be shooting long diatance. 56 objective will bring in lots of light.