Hello all,
I picked these up today from the auction house's FFL. Thanks for looking and any comments! Boats
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Hello all,
I picked these up today from the auction house's FFL. Thanks for looking and any comments! Boats
https://i.ibb.co/NL4S0ZG/DSCN6328.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/JqY4NMZ/DSCN6329.jpg
Comments? Well, I like them! Especially #2.
DG
The word JEALOUS comes to mind GW
Yep number 2 is the one I like!
Jealous I am!
I have a 4" version of your Number 2 and I love it. Mine is blue though, it would be nice if the frame was case blued but it isn't and I will use it like it is. Mine is a Thunder Ranch Special. james
Jealous here Guess I am the odd duck! I like #1 Thats a 325 right Right now I have 3 SW 625's 3in 4in and a 5in. But they are a load on the belt GW
I have never seen a S&W revolver with a case color frame. Very different.
I think there are worse places for you to be than Starline's backorder list for Auto Rim brass, and if you don't have a mold for the 452423 yet, you should get busy!:awesome:
Love #2, and extremely jealous. Both are amazing
My experience with S&W .45 acp revolvers is that their cylinder throats are huge. My 25-2 has .456" throats.
I currently have a S&W 625-8 JM Special with 4” barrel. I gave my 5” Model 625-6 to my youngest son. Both of them have .4525” cylinder throats. They are extremely accurate with my home cast Mihec correct copy of the H&G #68 sized .452”. I have personally checked the cylinder throats on several other .625-8’s at our local club and they are also correct.
NuJudge, I am not disagreeing with you on earlier revolvers. However, it appears that Smith have the newer revolvers correct!
As you might suspect I am a BIG fan of the later 625’s!
FWIW
Dale53
I love my 325 PD Airlite.
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Why!
I've never understood using an auto pistol cartridge in a revolver.
I believe it was started in WWI because Colt could not make enough 1911s so they had botH S&W & Colt chamber their big revolvers for the 45 ACP using half moon clips. The practice was also done in WWII. Others on this site know much more about this than I do.
That is absolutely correct-- wartime expediency. But, users liked the ACP cartridge in the revolver so much that they continued to make them. And, if you find the clips to be a nuisance, there is the .45 ACP Auto Rim cartridge.
DG
Years back I bought a titanium Tauris revolver very light I liked so much about it but the use of the Tauris Steller clips was not good the 45 auto rim cases where to thick and the revolver would not close I shortened some 45 Colt cases and they worked but not eject the gun was made to use the Tauris clips. None of my Tauris have been keepers .
I really like that color case hardened revolver.
I do have an "ACP" (45 Auto) cylinder for my 45 SA and no clips of any kind!
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Beautiful revolvers sir. I like the .45 ACP round in autos and revolvers. It’s a good round . What’s not to like? I will admit to using the rimmedcase a lot, but the clips do make for a speedy reload.
I use my Ruger Blackhawk 45ACP convertable for single action matches, if anyone asks it is a 45 "Short Colt"!
I had a 22-4 like that but not case-colored. One of the dumbest things I’ve ever done was selling it.
I also have a SS Ruger Bisley .45 ACP/.45 Colt Convertible. Using the .45 ACP cylinder, it is not possible to use .45 Auto Rim cases, due to the lack of sufficient headspace in a single action, but Starline .45 Cowboy Special cases work PERFECTLY in the single action convertible .45 ACP cylinder. They have the same rim thickness as the .45 Colt, so headspace perfectly using the .45 ACP cylinder. This allows the user to roll crimp for those heavier bullets that may be desired. That allows the single action shooter pretty much the same benefits that the double action shooter has using the .45 Auto Rim cases.
Just a thought or two…
Dale53
Boats, you have the best of both worlds, a light weight carry gun and a beautiful range gun. What's not to like. I had a 1917 Colt is excellent shape about 8 yrs ago until some body offered me too much $ for it and I sold it like a nit wit. They don't kick like a mule or breathe fire but they punch above their weight. I regretted selling that Colt and a couple weeks ago I fixed that problem. This one is a model of 1989 and it is home to stay! I am betting yours are too.
My first 625 was a gift from dad and had the cylinder machined by Clark Custom to accept 460 Rowland before I received the gun. I have several other 25’s / 625’s as well as several “truck gun” clones made from combining genuine Mod 25 pieces/parts picked up (cheap) over the years with inexpensive N Frames when I come across them. I have a stainless snub barrel and cylinder squirreled away in case I run across a Round butt, N frame parts gun.
I also have 2 Ruger 45 Colt / 45 ACP caliber convertible pistols. One has an additional (3rd) cylinder which has had if I remember correctly .040 machined from the face to allow the use of 45 Auto Rim cartridges.
Remember. Old- Fat and Slow will get the job done GW
Thanks for a the reply's and comments
Robert, I have always wondered why the 460 Rowland was not made into
A commercial round. It punches hard if you want it to or lends itself to plinking loads as well. You can chamber it in a smaller frame than a 454 and not worry about it getting souped up and stuffed into an old colt 45.
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Just fit a blkhawk 45acp cylinder to one of my .45colt vaqueros. Did it to use small pistol primer acp brass for cas shoots saving my much smaller supply of lpp for my .44-40/45colt cas rifles.
Charter made a .45ACP five shot that would have been good bedside manner.
And I like #1 and #2.
Very classy guns....
I've had two 25-2s, several S&W Mountain Guns and a 625-7PC 5"...
A friend had one of almost all the .45 ACP revolvers made. The main one he was missing was the Heritage 5.5" with the case hardened frame... He sold off most of his collection a few years ago and I got a very nice S&W 1917 from him. He did keep a Charter Arms Pitbull, Ruger 3" stainless Vaquero with Birdhead grip and a S&W Governor.
I still have the 1917, 625-7PC and a Taurus 4" Tracker... Of all the ones I have ever shot the 625 Mountain Gun was the best all-around gun there is...should have never sold my last one...
Bob
Sorry I am late responding.
I am not sure why it wasn’t turned into a commercial round as it definitely is versatile. Maybe it is too much like the 45 Super. Anyway, when dad gave me the gun in the early 90’s it came 250 pieces of Starline brass, an 8# jug of AA7, and a one page print out of load data. I loaded to all levels using different jacketed as well as lead projectiles. My hottest loads came from Georgia Arms and pushed a 185 XTP @1400+ FPS. My favorite load for the revolver is a RCBS 255 Keith @1250 FPS. I also have a Colt 1991A1 with a Clark Custom drop in 460 Rowland barrel kit. I tightened up the slide and smoothed the trigger using methods my gunsmith friend and fellow member Preacher Jim has taught me. My favorite 230 grain load for both guns is a 230 Rainier, REM 2 1/2, Starline brass, and enough AA7 to get it going 1125 FPS but since I hate picking up brass the Colt usually takes a back seat to the revolver.
Robert
This is only my opinion, but the biggest detractor to the 460 Rowland is that it can not work in a normal semi-auto handgun. It has to be specially set up, and as far as I know, will not function without a compensator. Very few people are ok with a compensator on their handgun. I feel it would be a very good hunting round, but then again, I have a hard time choosing that over a 10mm auto that doesn't need all the acrobatics.
In a revolver, I fail to see what it can offer that a 45 acp or a 45 colt does already. It's a niche of a niche cartridge that doesn't really offer anything to most people. That's why it would be foolish for any company to want to use it. It's a wildcat for a semi-auto handgun.
Why does it need a compensator?
I have 3 revolvers in 45ACP.
Love them all. 4" 625. 5" 625. 5.5 " bisley convertible. Dont have a favorite one.
Why! He say’s. Why not?
My number 1 reason would be I don’t have to chase brass!
#2 I don’t have to worry about swapping springs or beating my 1911 to death with 454424’s
#3 Call me old fashioned but I prefer a revolver over an auto, for several reasons but my favorite is;”Six for sure.”
# 4 commonality of ammunition
#5 if you already have a 1911 or 6 why not buy a cool wheeler that shoots the same ammunition? ( I know this kind of goes with #4) just sayin.
I’m sure there’s a lot more that could be added to the list but that’ll do for now.
To each his own I guess.
To the O.P. Nice 45’s that is a good find.
Skeeter said many moons ago 'the best .45autos were wheelguns' or something like that. I own a coupla 1911 variants but I think I have 12 revolvers that will shoot .45acp....
I just sent the money for my first, a 625-6 with a 5” barrel.
I hope to pu a 325 or one of the Thunder Ranch guns in the future.
The 2 I have are 1917s from 1918 . Both have .453 throats , .451 grooves .
I like the moon clips it makes picking up brass pretty easy .
I have 5-600 45 AR brass .
I paper patched a .448 dia 430421 which shot ok . The 454424 and NOE copy not so much . 200s in about any form shoot well .
I'd really like to have a 230 gr RNFP shaped like the 358-158 Lee .
I do have a 454424 HP but haven't cast it yet . The NOE with the large pins did shoot ok but were gifted to me .
I wish I had a 453421 ........to bad it's not a thing .
A 230 shaped like the 454424 or moving the crimp groove down about a drive band on the 423 .
Probably the SWC 45-230 CM would be great .
The 2nd is a bubba gun reamed to case mouth head space for 45 S&W . It has to have AR or clips for ACP . Yes it's a dandy hot loaded Schofield .
I like the 2nd example but would be quite happy with the first finish and the seconds grips .