I'd like to hear from someone who has done it. Not to be cheeky, but I really don't care much for everyone's theories. I'm thinking it's borderline....
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I'd like to hear from someone who has done it. Not to be cheeky, but I really don't care much for everyone's theories. I'm thinking it's borderline....
several have fallen to my blackout (10.5 " Noveski (NFA) and a YHM suppressor .. most using a NOE 247gr HP powdercoated and shot at 1045 FPS my alloy is 49/49/2 COWW/PB/HSB (nice and soft)
generally yardages 75-100 yds and DRT
First one I shot was 72-75 yds, heart shot, thru and thru with I kid you not at least 3ft blood spurt out the backside.
the sound of the hit was twice/3 times as loud as the shot
I also have a load for that same bullet going 1425FPS but so far have not tested it on game
That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for...........
The .300 b.o. has quite a bit less power than the 30/30 so go for it.
I have taken a number of white tail & hogs but used the Sierra Pro Hunter 125gn. 16" Carbine at ranges from 75~125 yards gives good results.
I modified a Lee 312-155 mold to have a small meplat and CB's from that mold, 50/50+2% alloy, gave similar results to the Sierra as they killed cleanly on white tail.
The only time I felt the 300BO was maxxed out was when I was out hunting hogs and a Nilgai came into view at around 75 yards. The neck shot dropped it but the damage to the spine was minimal, not like with a 30-30 or 308W using cast. I know dead is dead but I would not chose this caliber again for Nilgai or anything larger than white tail deer.
I have seen two deer killed with my AAC Handi Rifle in 300 BLK. 125 Nosler Partitions did the job. 50-60 yard shots. Through and through. One DRT, one went about 20 yards with a large blood trail.
Are we talking supersonic or subsonic? Keep them supersonic and it's not an issue. The subs are where things are borderline.
The problem with hunting with a subsonic blackout is most guys (my brother in law for one) use a jacketed bullet designed for target shooting at 2500+ fps then wonder why it penciled a hole and the deer ran off. Hypersonic, or a big meplant/hollow point and it works just fine.
well, for 30/30 weight bullets, the BO is ~90% of the starting loads for 30/30. Given that most casters don't shoot 30/30 over 18-1900 fps, not much difference at all. Then consider all the 'old' calibers shot from leverguns that work. Wilson developed the 40WT for deer & pig, runs a 120gr @ 2400 fps and you can search for the reports - very successful. The 'right' boolit makes a big difference. I would consider it a 100 yd cartridge.Quote:
The .300 b.o. has quite a bit less power than the 30/30 so go for it.
Barnes makes a purpose built 110 gr bullet for the 300 BO. You can push it plenty fast to kill deer & hogs. Being a Barnes it will punch thru and kill very dead.
Well, tho isn't a theory but a data comparison.
People here in Florida hunt hog and deer with 7.62x39... And its easier to find hog that weigh more than deer here.... And 7.62x39 take a LARGE amount of hog here since it I a nuisance animal, and on private land there is no magazine limit when hog hunting.
Now.. 7.62x35 is pert near overlapping on the capabilities of 7.62x39.
as soon as I thump one with my 300 BO I'll have something to contribute. :)
Used a 125SST over W296 out of a 16” AR last year at around 75 yards. First round went thru the elbow of a front leg, penetrated into the chest leaving a hole you could stick two fingers thru. The buck flopped down hill to around 40 yards where I put a second round thru his neck. End of rodeo. I don’t think the second round was needed, but first deer with the itty bitty .30 so I didn’t know how well it works. Insurance.
The Black Out isn’t as powerful as my .308, but it’s enough for deer within reason.
I have shot a handful of antelope with 125gr Nosler ballistic tips they seem to die when shot in the lungs. I don't like the idea of hunting with a sub sonic unless it's heavy and a large diameter, but sub sonic bullets have come a long ways and would be tempted to try the 194gr Lehigh or 200gr Maker at close range sub/suppressed.
Why go sub?
I wouldn't hunt with 300whisper.
this.
I have been watching a guy chronicle his [deer/pig] hunting with this bullet for a couple of years now.
keeping your shots to reasonable ranges [much like using a cast boolit] will provide the results you seek.
his pictures and story's are showing the round to be very capable within the rounds limits.
Well past supersonic with the lighter weight 110-130gr bullets are fine, mid 2000's fps are easily possible. Subs I won't hunt with especially the size deer I may encounter. There are some expanding heavy for caliber subsonic bullets available for the black but they are expensive and you are still basically getting 9mm performance out of them. Maybe with little deer and select shots.
I have just started to research loads for my 160gr 2R TL Lee cast bullets. I already shoot this bullet powder coated and gas checked in the hi teens velocity wise and the 300 BO is capable of doing this as well.
The only drawback I see so far is it (my AR) won't feed them if I flat point them like I do for 30-30 and 7.5x54 MAS. The flat nose makes a big difference on milk jugs filled with water.
I'm a little concerned that pointed they my simply shoot though like FMJ'S. One thing that I may have going for me is my alloy. With the powder coating I can use 12BHN alloy that may actually expand some.
I don't see any problems killing a deer with a 167gr bullet going 1700fps.
Motor
Think about how many deer have been/are killed with a 32-20 ?
The last big driven elk hunt in Yellowstone back in the 19teens ----- most popular cartridge ? 32-20 !
If you have to ask. . . .
I have shot both whitetail deer and hogs with Barnes bullets (supersonic rounds) and it works just fine both with my AR and little Ruger bolt gun. As with all hunting, it is all about placement. Still moving my reloading and casting equipment so I am on hold for cast boolits at present.
Where/when the 30 Herrett is sufficient, so is the 300 BO.
According to 168gr J-word data 1900 fps is maximum. A 30-30 Win with 170gr bullet isn't a whole lost faster.
I hope to do some range tests tomorrow using the Lee 160gr 2R TL with PC, with and without gas checks. I actually had to go with LIL-GUN powder because with H- 4227 there wasn't enough room to seat the bullets. Not even at the starting load.
Motor
Grandsons first deer. With a 300AAC no doubt!
135gr Sierra #2124. 1940fps muzzle velocity.
Golf ball size exit wound, distance was almost 100 yards.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL160.../413611587.jpg
is this one of those marginal hunting round threads?
EXACTLY.
It makes me want to VOMIT when I see one cartridge put down over another. The shape, form, and capacity of the brass means SQUAT.
Bullet mass sufficiently fast enough to enter the body and induce hypovolemic or CNS shock kills, regardless of delivery system.
Source?
Most of the shots in heavy timber near here.[90 miles from the Park] would be at bow range, or less than 25 yards. Add to that hunters who knew game anatomy better than the alphabet and the situation may not transcend to to todays hunters with unknown ranges, weapons and or bullet weights.
My best friend used my Ruger american rifle last year on a doe at about 75 yards on a doe. Nosler ballistic tip at a little over 2,000 FPS with a pegged out load of 1680. It took 3 hits in the boiler room before she gave up the ghost. The bullets were all chest/shoulder hits and did not exit. I would consider using it but only under the right circumstances.
I've used a 125 grain sst on a Nebraska buck. One shot he presented was straight on 80 yard shot. Shot him looking at me in the chest. Ran about 20 yards and was dead when I got there 2 minutes later. I believe it was moving around 2150 fps.
http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/wi...444x1-8-a.html
Only problem I see in it is it headspaces on the case mouth.
357AR - 223 case. Both my BO ARs feed my 182gr. version of RD style fine (0.2" meplat). Haven't chronyd yet. Had house guests last 2 months that cuts down shooting, another bunch next week. This is PB version, just most of the sahnk removed.
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BTW,
I have used the BLK with 110 and 125 gr. jacketed and the 165 Ranch Dog, typically under 25 yards.
I took a deer two years ago with one. It killed the deer, but it went over a hundred yards in thick woods before it fell over. Decent enough blood trail to track him. I hit him a little low in the chest so I'm going to say it was due to that that he went so far. It'll do the job, especially with good bullet placement.