in comparison to theCZ550 fs in 9.3X62, does anyone know if the zastava m70 9.3X62 is better or worse quality. I like the CZ better but it has a 20.5 in barrel, which is a bit short, and the zastava has a 22 in, prices are close enough to not matter
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in comparison to theCZ550 fs in 9.3X62, does anyone know if the zastava m70 9.3X62 is better or worse quality. I like the CZ better but it has a 20.5 in barrel, which is a bit short, and the zastava has a 22 in, prices are close enough to not matter
CZ would be my pick. But I 'm sure the zastava is a good one too.( Mark 10, Herters J9, Charles Daly, Rem 798 were all Zastava made.
wow, did not know that! I guess you learn something new everyday, even from Texans! :kidding:
I would err on the side of CZ...I've owned a few of their CZ's and their 550 is very well built, and smooth. I've handled a few Zastava guns and I don't think they really had the fit and finish that CZ has but I'm not sure what their new stuff is like.
What he said^^^^
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The CZ's have nicer wood, but if you want a rougher duty gun I don't think you'd be upset with the Zastava.
The Zastava, or Mark X, is a 98 that has been de-militarized. 98's rattle, but, to put it into 21st century terms, the rattle in a 98 is not a bug, it's a feature. Meaning that you can take the thing to Kodiak island, drag it around behind you with a rope and it will still work when you encounter the bear that thinks you are a snack. Both of mine wear plastic stocks. They aren't pretty.
If you hunt in severe conditions, like dirt or extreme cold, the Zastava is a good way to go.
yeah, I think I will stick with the CZ, I am very careful with my guns when hunting, and the worst conditions I might see are rain or snow.(not much of that though, here in ok). I was also planning on taking the action/barrel off and giving the unfinished wood on the inside a coat of epoxy, that way if water does get in there it wont soak in and cause warping. does that sound like an ok idea?
I have long been a fan of the original Interarms MarkX, and still own and use one from the early 80's. With that in mind, I sought out a new Zastava Z98 a few years ago and it wasn't quite the same quality. The bolt dragged and was difficult to cycle, even after a lot of lapping. The stocks are fine, no worse than anybody else's plastic stuff with spongy recoil pad. My original MarkX cycles like the action was made of silicone, and the newer one was a slight disappointment. However, I've seen Remington 798's that acted like the original Zastava Interarms actions, slick and smooth. Perhaps I just got a lemon. My only advice would be to handle both of them. Zastava is an old, well-established firearms firm and their Yugo AK's are the stuff of legend.
I guess it boils down to how much of a DIY'er you are
If price is not an issue, I'd go with the CZ.
I've owned several CZs over the years and tthey all were a tad rough. Their proices haven't changed a lot over the years, but costs have increased. I left my CZ527 7.62x39 at the gunsmith's today as the rails need polishing. It has seen around 1000 rounds, but the bolt is still very stiff. I thought that it would loosen up, but that hasn't happened.
I have owned a lot of MkXs / Zasatavas and none really needed gunsmith intervention, they all were fine after a couple of hundred rounds.
I currently own a late 80s 3006 With a Ramline (noise maker) stock, a 270Win Blued and a 9.3x62 Stainless, both with plastic stocks and a 375H&H and a 458Win Mag, both with wooden stocks. All are fine.
Every Brno / CZ I have ever owned needed smoothing, etc.
My CZ has a much prettier finish than a Zastava. The moving parts are fitted closely, and I had to break in the bolt and the safety by manually working each 500-600 times to make them acceptably smooth. After that, with a light greasing, it is very nice. I'm not ever going to hunt in WWI trench conditions, and I consider precise fitting a feature, not a bug. The CZ is very accurate. YMMV.
FWIW, the smoothest, slickest, most wobble-free bolt action I have ever encountered is a late '90s USRA made Winchester M70 push feed, the Wal-Mart special blind magazine, black plastic stock "Black Shadow" edition.
I'm really not downing Zastava, either. They make a full stock carbine that I would love to have in 8X57. Last year about this time I couldn't find one for sale in the U.S. They're not as prettily finished as CZs, though.
I hear you Ricochet. I've wanted one more Tikka T3 in either 8x57 or 9.3 to complete my battery-alas not to be on this side of the pond. Talk about slick&smooth!
Best, Thomas.
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Own a Zavasta M70. Bought it over a year ago when Academny Sports and Outdoors put them on clearance for $179. A range buddy bought several of them. Think all of our Zavasta's have been rebarreled. We bought them to get the actions to build on. Don't own a CZ, but have seen a number of them at range and shot a couple of them. About the Zavasta wood. While I did not care for its design, its finish was definitely 2nd rate. I do wood working, make many of my own rifle stocks. So, I did minor alterations to my Zavasta stock and refinished it. It turned out to be a rather nice piece of wood. A few months later I had to talk myself out of buying a Zavasta M70 at a gunshow after taking a good look at its wood. Hidden in its lousy factory finish was one darn very nice piece of colorful walnut.
Have too high opinion of CZ rifles to recommend the Zavasta, but then I've no complaints about how my bolt functions and can't recall my buddy having anything negative to say about its receiver and bolt.
I own a CZ 550fs in 6.5x55 and it happens to be one of my favorite guns. Shoots as good as it looks. The short barrel hasn't really handicapped me as I'm able to get about 100fps under my 22" barreled howa.
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wow.... so good reviews on both zastava and CZ, I cant find a zastava in 9.3 X62 in the usa and since it is what I have really wanted all along, I am still going with the CZ550FS 9.3X62
FWIW, ever since I slipped & fell into a 12" deep puddle with a Remington one Winter over 30 years ago, and ruined the stock finish because the water entered & expanded the wood via the raw wood under the buttplate. I've removed EVERYTHING from the stocks of "new-to-me" guns that wasn't wood, and laid Tru-oil or thinned epoxy onto the un-finished surface normally hidden when the gun is assembled, until the wood would not accept additional sealer.
I let it dry/cure a few days before re-assembling/shooting/hunting, and have never had a problem since.
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Pity you are not in Australia, I have a new unfired Stainless Steel 9.3x62 Zastava with Leupold bases and rings and an unopened set of Hornady dies for 2/3rds of the current new price of a bare rifle. I just have too many rifles to start playing with this calibre (a 358Win, 3x 375H&Hs, a 375Win, a 416Rigby, a 458WM, a 444, several 45/70s and 3x 338WMs). How many medium / large bore rifles does an old fart that has trouble walking up hills need?
It is quite possible, they are both distributed by Winchester in most parts of the world as are Beretta and a lot of other brands.
Wait a minute. FN owns Browning and Winchester. Beretta owns Sako,Benelli,Uberti and Stoeger. I'm confused.
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Beretta, Zastava, Sako, CZ and Stoeger are distributed here by Winchester, as they are in many parts of the world.
I learn here. Thanks FFOD!
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I learn something new everyday! I have one in 270, and the action is as slick as greased lightning. It's been my main deer rifle for 10yrs, and it has never let me down. Of course I shoot 130gr. jacket bullets in it, over a dose of H4831. That's the first load I tried, and it works so if it ain't broke don't fix it!
It's worked for me a dozen times!
Well, today I joined the Zastava club. The fun store had a pre-owned but unfired 85 in .223 for $375.00 so I layawayed it. Anybody have experience with these little rifles? I've always wanted a lightweight .223 bolt action with sights and this one seems just right.
FergusonTO35, I had a model 85 in 22 Hornet and was quite happy with it. I picked it up to try the whole Hornet thing as I had never had one, I got rid of it because I was offered a deal I couldn't pass up and no fault of the rifle.
To the OP.
Take a look at the Interarms Whitworth Mausers.
They are no longer available new. They are very nice rifles for the money. The most common caliber is the .375 H&H.
My nephew has a Chas Daly Mini Mauser rebarreled to 6x45. He won't sell it to me!
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I bought one at Cabela's a couple of years ago. The thing shot pretty good one minute, then would act like a shotgun the next. Finally bought a borescope and found out a chunk of 1 land is simply missing about mid-barrel. Planning to rebarrel it in 300 blackout when I get to it.
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Hope your experience is better than mine was. Seems like if there is a rifle in the store with a bad barrel, I'll gravitate to it every time. [smilie=b:
Oh wow, that's awful. Glad I bought it from my favorite dealer, he will make it right even if the factory won't.
anyone have luck getting a zastava lately? I cant get the company to respond to repeated emails and the only one whos considered an official importer is Century, and they are "backordered" indefinitely and have no ability to give an idea on if they'll get more.
Last time I looked, the Century website showed they were in stock. Century may be working hard to get more "assault" weapons imported in anticipation of another election/legislative panic.
the AKs they make are really nice compared to many domestic brands, the issue is that id rather have one of those big nice fancy semi auto rifles they make in 8x57 or 7.62x51 or 7.62x54r