Printable View
I just picked up this CZ. Always wanted a .22 Hornet but never had the pleasure. Anybody got any leads on .22 Hornet brass. I got boolits, powder and even primers but no brass. I am a long time reader but not much of a poster, hence, I can't do a thread on Swappin'. Any help would be appreciated.
"Spoon"
It's tough to find these special brass. I have a 17 Hornet and was looking for some to down size since 17 is even harder to find right now. I haven't found any in stock at all the usual outlets. You can start a WTB (want to buy) ad in S&S just not a want to trade of sell until you reach 30 posts. Just don't ask for help outside S&S.
You will enjoy the Hornet, real easy to load for and the 527 will shoot.
I bought one abut 15 years ago for the wife, the only work I had to do to it, was glass bed the rear of the barrel. The receiver was good in the factory inletting, but the rear of the barrel needed support to shoot well.
Put a 2x7 Leupold on it and have not looked back, nice groups under and inch with Speer 45 gr J words, on top of some 2400 powder.
PM sent as I have some new Hornady brass that is surplus to my needs.
J Wisner
when I saw title of this thread the first thing that popped into my mind is that right about now ammo or brass for the hornet must be like unobtanium.
its the caliber for me that is the most difficult policing the brass when out shooting right next to the 25-20. if and when you do find brass might want to stock up real good.
I gave you some bad info on a want to buy ad. You don't have access to S&S until you have 30 posts so you were right. Sorry about that.
Hornet will bend necks when reloading if not very careful. Suspect it might be a couple years before it is produced again and on the shelves. Lots of interesting rifles will be impossible to get ammo for. Suggest overpaying for any factory you can find and getting some brass that way. Interesting cartridge and CZ is an excellent rifle, but what use is the rifle if you can't feed it? I like the 527 Hornet but don't have one. About the only thing worth buying now, unless you have all the components in hand, is a 223 which you can download if wanting Hornet like ballistics. People are going to have a lot of paper weights. Plan to check out the pricing of rifles that use uncommon ammo and see how demand has changed. Imagine liking old Mannlichers and their specialized calibers. What is a 221 Fireball worth when ammo or brass is probably a couple years down the road at best. There was a fellow who used to make it selling here but he passed away.
When thinking about it if one can find the CZ in 221 Fireball and learn to convert 223 cases to 221 Fireball one might have a solution to the ballistic solution sought. Might be hard to find the CZ Fireball but there are probably some folks who have one and can't find ammo to shoot and willing to unload a rifle that can't easily be fed.
The CZ527 and Hornet is a great combo. A friend has one and REALLY likes it. Too bad about brass scarcity though.
For saving cases I would recommend slightly belling your case necks even for jacketed bullets though.
Three44s
I also found using a Factory crimp die solves the bent necks on my 17HH and as Three44s belling the mouth really helps to keep from having to roll crimp I use one of the NOE expanders to put a slight bell even with jacketed.
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/prod...er-plug-rifle/
Thanks for all the advice. I hope to get some brass in and would buy overpriced factory. I love the cz platform. I have a .223 and .204 Ruger. Still like to find a .17 Hornet. For the .22 Hornet I have some win 296 and I may try some of the 50ish grain .223 stuff I have 4895. Like to find some lil gun. Anybody got pics of their scope mounts. Typically I go cheap from the bushnell outlet. I plan on putting a takeoff bushnell trophy series 6-24. It’s not a first focal plane but it does pretty good.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I will check out the expander. I ordered a Lee set either FCD also went ahead and got a collet neck sizing die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minerat
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Question on the expanding die. I have one but if I understand the link I just need to get the .226 insert, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by "Spoon"
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thanks for the brass. I ordered some Speer Bullets from midway. I’ll keep my eye out for powder. Right now I have some win 296. I traded a Ruger vaquero talo last cowboy in 45 Colt in for it. I loved the pistol with the birds head grips but I just couldn’t shoot it well. I did manage to prove that you can cut a chain with it just like in the movies. Shot my steel gong chain with it. Blew it apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Wisner
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That's what I would get. I started with the universal case expander and it worked alright but you had to really fine tune it or it would over expand unlike the NOE expander. The FDC resizes the neck without crushing it. I tried taking the decaping pin out and resizing the neck with the bullet in to take the flair out. Nope didn't work just crushed the shoulder leaving a bulge right where the shoulder meets the case body.Quote:
Originally Posted by "Spoon"
Thanks for the tip. I ordered the expander. Lol it ended up with shipping costing more than I paid for the universal die. But with the lack of replacement cases it would not take long to break even with damaged cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minerat
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Three CZ 527 all with similar needs might be served by one really good scope rather than three lesser and cheaper scopes by using detachable rings like those from Warne and moving the scope from rifle to rifle. Don't know what is available these days, but the SWFA brand ultra light scope (think that is the right name) variable sold by SWFA was a very well priced very light small scope when I bought one. The make it in both a 50 and 100 yard parallax version to use for either rimfire or centerfire. I use the rimfire one and would like to get one for a centerfire. Unfortunately it doesn't have an adjustable parallax, but it is small, light and has good glass.
Great group of CZ rifles you have. I saw a CZ where the wood was stripped of the OEM finish and refinished with something nicer. The wood was beautiful. Someone here was posting groups from a CZ 527 Russian carbine where the group at 100 yards was one ragged hole using H335 (I think I recall correctly) and a boolit cast from a Lee mold.
Great rifle. This review is absolutely right: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMg_tKSSX9Q .
Nice, always wanted one in a 17 hornet. I keep contemplating on a 22 hornet but then I just keep telling myself to download my 223 LTR and call it a day.
I don't use mounts on my CZ 527's, I use rings that attach directly to the action. My Hornet came with factory rings and the other 2 have Burris rings I bought off Amazon ($44 right now). The Burris are very nicely finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by "Spoon"
Lots of love for Lil-Gun on the internets, not from me, I tried it a few times; but my Hornet prefers H110. Try your 296, you might be all set for 5600 shots with your jug.
Set your dies to match your rifle the right way, be gentle guiding the brass into your dies and brass life can be long in the CZ Hornet. My original box of Winchester is very near 20 reloads. I set my size die back a bit and loaded/shot the brass until it was hard to chamber, then I moved the die in just enough to bump the shoulder to fit; locked it in and left it there.
Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk
My 527 has a Nikon Prostaff BDC 3.5x14x50 mounted with CZ rings. It shoots ligit sub 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yds. I use 9.7 gr LtlGun @ 3530 fps 20gr Vmax and 11.3 gr CFE BLk for the 25gr Vmax. Remember this is a 17 HH so you may have different results in another calibar.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/910950937
That's a buck a piece but times are what they are. On ammoseek you can find factory loaded for two bucks.
Let me add that, totally unrelated to this offer, in the past, I have had bulk repacked W-W brass like this cleanly head-separate after 3 shots where others normally last for ages.
Thanks for all the help. My .204 has cz rings on it. Sometimes they are hard to get.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
What CZ was before CZ. www.gunbroker.com/item/909310157
That is really slick.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB234
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have a Zbrojovka BRNO Model 1 in 22lr my grandfather got in Brazil in 1950 it has the express rear and hooded front sights and 2 5.round clips it even has a chec scope.
the best brass that I have found for the 22 Hornet is RWS brand,
after that comes Winchester/Remington
after that comes Prvi
I am the second owner of one that was mostly a safe queen. It is a safe queen for me too. The balance of it is far superior to the CZ which is also a very nice rifle. The bid was about $1200 last time I looked at the auction with the top bidder having 2 bits sitting in a row. One cold bid him up just is one wanted to cost hime some money.Quote:
Originally Posted by "Spoon"
I am tempted to place a bid even though the magazines are very very difficult to did. My guess is the magazine is worth $150 to $200.
So here is a terrific rifle in great shape probably selling for about $1400 and one can't get ammo and probably best off not shooting it much or chancing scratching the stock. It is very tempting, but I am not buying things that me heirs will have to deal with.
The old Brno 22s are also terrific. I like the number 1 for its feel for me. Only thing I have found with better balance/feel is the Zephyr - the old ones which now sell for a a lot of money especially is with double set trigger.
Shame I am too old to buy much of anything. This auction is very nice and a decent value at these price levels. Hate to say it but $1600 would not surprise me if a couple of knowledgeable buyers who want it turn up. I would rather have it than a new Annie Hornet. Is it worth 2 or 3 times a CZ527? Probably not but it is nice.
Thank goodness it is missing the front sight hood reducing the collector value by a few hundred making me keep my $ in my pocket. Otherwise it is beautiful. Prices on this auction site have become very high. This is the Hornet I would buy and even try to find the right low sized bullets for as it has the old (.223?) sizing rather than the newer .224 (?). No idea how it shoots cast.
Glad it is missing a part.
$1625 and sold. A good CZ527 is a far better value. One could refinish the CZ stock and have a stunning rifle that shoots great and magazines are easy to get and about $39. I would far rather have the CZ and a bunch of money. Shoots as well. Doesn't fit as a safe queen. CZ is just a great rifle and a great value. Enjoy the Hornet and start hoping they reproduce in your safe and a Fireball coming along.
I think the wood on my 527s is pretty sharp and refinishing seems unnecessary, but I’m just a common fella with simple tastes. All my CZs shoot way better than I do. Thanks for all the help.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB234
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I am really no longer buying rifles, but I paid over original manufacturer's suggested retail for a NIB 527 that was discontinued years ago. Wanted it back then and let it slip away. Took a few years to find a good one.
A decade or two ago I had a gunsmith that worked for himself part time and part time as a shotgun smith for CZ. He would refinishing stocks on CZ long guns and they were absolutely beautiful. Not just nice wood like we all hope for when buying a CZ, but after being refinished absolutely beautiful, The wood CZ was using was much better than the factory finish would show. At the time I would not consider spending the $ to have him refinish a stock. Probably still would not. If I were anything of a woodworker it is something I would look at closely.
You know how sometimes one sees a picture of an excellent stock and thinks I wish I had the $ to have that? The stocks under the CZ factory finishes are often that nice after refinishing. Wish I had some skill refinishing .
Great rifle you have. Hornet is a fun round. Every CZ I have touched has been excellent. Built well enough they can be eventually handed down to the next generation.
I am a simple guy who enjoys what he has too, but the refinished CZ stocks I have seen make me shake my head in wonder.
One of these days I may give it a try and refinish mine.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I had a #1A in 22 hornet and foolishly sold it. It really liked Lil Gun. First load I tried went under an inch.
I’m ready to fire mine up. Ordered a cz rail from DIP so I can use some rings I already had. A dear member on here helped me with some cases. Loaded up some test rounds with a 40 gr Sierra with 10.7 grs of win 296. I shot a couple just looking over the barrel to check length, cleanliness and for any pressure signs. I should have the tail by the end of the week so I’m excited.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk