I don't actually add it to a lube. I typically run a soft lube. Soft enough that boolits stick to one another. I dust the boolits to varying degree based on the guns wants.
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I don't actually add it to a lube. I typically run a soft lube. Soft enough that boolits stick to one another. I dust the boolits to varying degree based on the guns wants.
all the metals will fall through a liquid lube.
if you mix them in when the lube is a solid but soft enough to run a hand mixer through they will disperse and stay in suspension.
this is how i add the moly into the moly complex lube.
Fine for mixing small run lubes on the stove, but not for big jobs without industrial equipment. We did not have a large hand held cement mixer when doing the "big melt". We sure needed one. ... felix
Exploring our 'Repertoire' ......
Several of us here have commented on what has worked in the past in our boolit lube formulation. Even more important some also reintroduce a component again in another formulation when it has displayed evidence prior in a valuable sense so to speak.
I believe this is good and keeps us on the road to success ....
I think a repertoire of peripheral influences is also very valuable..
One example is bore condition.... I have two test mules that have bores less than mirror perfect... These same two bores show considerable less influence with 'cold starts' being to a different point of impact! This with different lube formulas too. Humm? My slickest bores may show the most sensitivity to C.O.R.E. changes and a slick lube as well! As these happen over and over they are part of my peripheral repertoire. Felix has mentioned several times now (multiple times on this long thread even) about prepping a bore to 600-800 finish. These comments from Felix are usually not commented on from what I've seen BUT ARE VERY VALUABLE if my less than pristine bores are considered as examples. While 'Extreme' would be great to be impervious in slick or rough bores; what if we can't get it there?
Another thought that kind of 'rides the fence' between formulation and peripheral repertoire for me is a lube filler.
Several of us on this thread have experienced good results with cast boolit loads that utilize a shotgun type of plastic buffer. I have found a bore condition (better C.O.R.E.) improvement most of the time. I think the buffer acts as a scrubber.. I haven't seen bore condition problems as to plastic attachment or fouling; and the granulated polyethylene is 'right in the fire' so to speak in this case.
So my current thought along these lines is powdered polyethylene as a lube component. Probably low density; but high density maybe for better scrubbing action?
The Internet shows availability, but usually in ultra high density and/or formulations that are big $$$. While they call it 'powdered' more is just finely granulated. What I want is what they call the 'fines' on their charts...
I know a couple of real bright lads in the Polyethylene business... A phone call may put me on the trail of this coon that is running around in my thoughts at the moment!
Eutectic
Sometimes when it's time to think outside the box the wildest idea will lead to the ultimate goal. This might be the most far out suggestion that anyone could come up with... Think Nanotechnology!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=IPM8OR6W6WE
EW
Not a wild idea at all, Edubya, amongst the pros. GE, for example, and their cohorts (3M,DuPont,etc.) have been looking at this for some time to improve their Gatling gun barrels. Just might have a better chance with boolits, et.al., rather than the machinery itself. ... felix
I've recently encountered an applied nitride coating that the manufacturer claims is harder than chrome plating, and tougher too (surprising, as it would seem to want to be brittle like the nitriding that erodes leades). So, zero buildup lube with HBN mixed in?
I think that's a penetrating treatment, not a surface coating.
Gear
Ian,
No harm/ no foul on my end ......I sold my feelings for beer money years ago :lol: and if my mind was any more open at times....me brain would fall out .......my biggest question is how this goop that I now have will go through the sizers ? Gonna have to test that out as soon as I get off my **** and empty one out, if it shoots. I definately ain't handlubing everything from here on out like I did during my previous obsession....... even though one does get good at it with practice...........so.........how does it work in say a lyman type sizer? Panlubing does not seem to be a viable option with it.
Your "ambrose-ya lube" directions definately lead to a non-traditional abnormal "wet/slimy/goop". I have had really bad luck with similar consistencys using somewhat similar recipes in the past, but I admit to not having tried this "exact" goop recipe in a rifle yet, life and weather are not allowing it right the moment. How can I be somewhat sure what I have is what you are meaning? The sample that Joe sent me years ago is nothing like what you describe/I just made..... and is alot closer to the "wrong" stuff I made before that, that you say has "2/3rds too much" wax in it. A sample of "the right stuff" might help me alot if you have a medicine bottles worth to spare.
"I've recently encountered an applied nitride coating that the manufacturer claims is harder than chrome plating, and tougher too (surprising, as it would seem to want to be brittle like the nitriding that erodes leades). So, zero buildup lube with HBN mixed in?" leftiye
???? The first is a high end coating being applied to bore in place of chrome plating. The second is a reference to your low film, dry bore lube with a little HBN added.
That's an interesting idea. This would be an excellent time to test this lube in cold weather conditions from mild to wild velocity.
Maybe it'll hold together better than the batch of "Mike's Purple Homogenous Lube" I made up out of your old rejected recipes thrown together in the crock pot. That stuff works great in pistols, pistol caliber carbines, and rifle loads up to 2,400 fps; but falls apart after that.:kidding::bigsmyl2:
Refrigerate a jar of Jif creamy peanut butter and that's about what Starmetal lube is at room temperature.
Gear
Matt.....somehow I think I could better recreate that purple homo mix made out my old recipes than I could replicate this keyboard commando lube being discussed here. The quest is over for me as I am not able to hit two targets on two different tangents at the same time...I simply lack the ability.
Sounds to me like your thread has run it's course...your goal has been accomplished......you have your/his product, Joe has your/his product. What I have here using your directions to a T does not work as good as straight LLA and it handles about like snot dropped in grape jam. The stuff that I made using 3X too much beeswax shot pretty good though so obviously there is something to the petrojelly/soap (grease) base but it sure would be nice to get the straight skinny on this super secret squirrel recipe that has several variations depending on which forum I am reading at the time. After the short trip I just made to my shooting bench I would not bother to contaminate my sizers with this snot. I did something wrong,but I now know what I did wrong.......going to fix that issue right now . Not stating any of this to be mean, I am just tired of jumping through hoops that are either intentionally designed to not be cleared or do not exist except for on some imaginary plane in the first place. I will go back to my normally scheduled program now and be happy...I do not need the drama. Good luck, be safe there are alot of crazies out there.
Hmmmmm......interesting........
Larry Gibson
Testing Smurf Lube in my .30-30 today at 100 yards with Lee RD 30-170 RF group buy boolit being pushed just over 2100 fps (chrono'd with other lubes), which has always had a tendency to keyhole once in a while in this gun. Here's the first five from lower right, next one up, then a cloverleaf. Fired from untouched barrel well-seasoned with Longhorn lube which is still proving to be too slippery even after modification. Groups with Longhorn run about an inch and a half in this rifle when they don't keyhole. Wish I'd loaded more with that lube, the other stuff I took to the range didn't hold to gether as well.
No lube star, no smoke, dry, clean bore after the five. I think I almost have a winner. Need to shoot it in pistols and my .308 next, just didn't have time to load for everything today.
Gear
Too bad you didn't have more fun. The next five might have been a nice group after cleaning out the longhorn lube.
Gear, what are we calling "Smurf Lube"?
Is this stuff: http://www.hylomarsealant.com/
EW
:bigsmyl2:
No, but I'm quite familiar with the stuff!
Gear
Just got back from the range, the "Smurf Lube" continues to kick a$$. I shot record groups in three pistols and equaled the best I've ever shot with my .30-30, AGAIN. Pistols were all un-cleaned after shooting disastrous groups with Longhorn lube last weekend, NO first shot flyers by running Smurf Lube on top of thw fouling. NO flyers whatsoever in the .30-30 which was uncleaned from last Sunday as well. Temps were in the low 60's then and today, very low humidity for this area. So these tests aren't in extreme weather or at extremely high velocity, but it works in big-grooved boolits at very low to medium velocity, and also while loading-up a multi-grooved boolit at medium rifle velocity (should be a shade over 2100 fps).
Now to test in extreme temperatures and and high velocity.
Those of you serious about this, and live where there is some real cold weather right now, I really need to call on you to either make some of this stuff or let me send you some to test before it starts to warm up. I'd like to test it at least to 20F in pistols (say .45 ACP or Colt or .38 Special) and in rifles both small and large, up to as high a velocity as you have known-good loads for. We need to have direct comparisons to those known-good groups with other lubes and use the test parameters we outlined previously (start with a clean bore, then two-ten-shot groups and another two, ten-shot groups a few days later without cleaning in-between). Please post here or PM me so we can get this going, I think I'm really on to something with the tranny gel, but if it doesn't shoot in the cold we need to know and try to figure out why before we run out of winter.
Gear