I also cast with a Ranch Dog TL411-255-RF either with a full load of W296/H110 or 8 gr Unique. My boolits cast with straight clip on wheel weights weigh 269 grs on avg.
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I also cast with a Ranch Dog TL411-255-RF either with a full load of W296/H110 or 8 gr Unique. My boolits cast with straight clip on wheel weights weigh 269 grs on avg.
CD
269 huh?
That must be one of the later TL411 ranch dog molds ?
I'm kinda happy with the 255gr (actual is like 258 with COWW), as the OAL where the nose just starts to engrave on the lands(on my rifle) is 1.610 and allows for the collet type FCD to crimp into the top TL groove.
With my alloy the TL411-255 weighs in at 263gr. Lee hardness tester gives a reading of 12 BHN.
Have not seen any leading with this load.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...psf49f369d.jpg
KO
Finally got the FA 97 to the range a couple of weeks ago with the 180 grain MiHec/14.0 Blue Dot loads...this was at 50'. One shot got away from me...accuracy is all I need...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...ps1bt19a0y.jpg
RJM52, that is a nice looking F.A.
Great thread....thought I'd post these pics and some load data. We've got three .41's in the family now...a Smith 57 from about '77, a NMBH from ~'95, and one of Ruger's Flat Tops in 41. All are accurate, but I'd say the NMBH is the best....son #2 has it now. I gave it to him when he returned unscathed from three years in Afghanistan...Thank God for that. Best Regards, Rod
Pic #1 is of the NMBH with a series of tgts shot at 25 yds from a sitting position with a back rest, the gun extended between my knees...ie. Keith's old long range position.
The 2nd is the Flat Top with a pair of flame grained walnut I made up into a pr. of stocks.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...erNMBH41-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i.../41FlatTop.jpg
Thanks Don... I bought it second hand off GunBroker. The original owner was from Pennsylvania and had it made up as a bear defense gun as he was a bow hunter. From what he said it was his only handgun... After the sale I called him to talk about the gun and asked him what he had replaced the FA with...and he said...a Glock 20/10mm.
Rod...I think I have seen some of your posts before and as I recall that 6.5" Flat Top is quite the shooter also...and your grip making talent is fantastic!!
Bob
Any one have some of the NOE 412-237-PB they could spare? This looks like a clone of some that I got they were cast from an NEI mold. I would like to try before I buy,so to speak.
I would sure pay for them unsized and in lubed.
Jeff
as it stands now I will getting a NOE 237--likely 240= which is ok mold ---if so I will be glad to-- I have said yes and forgot to mail B4 - so remind me
nope did not--get the NOE keith
Got email from Dave Clements today,,, my 41 Special GP100 is READY!!!!!!!!!! ,, less than 10 months wait vs 14 on web site , these next few days are gonna kill me, I had put it outta my mind till now :)
Wait is over!!!!!!!
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That is great...lots of pics when it arrives please...
Couple of new Redhawks....
4.2"...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...pszttxyiqp.jpg
First 6 rounds at 15 yards DA...
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Best DA 50 yard group I have ever shot....
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Just released 2.75"....
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Nice shootin!,, Like the snubbie too, bet that will print a little in a blue jean pocket :)
I went into a local shop to discuss generating a little "trade cash" from some of my less shot items, left with a 1970 vintage 41 blackhawk ,4 5/8! Unplanned but I couldn't resist, thats 2 41s in 6 days!! It's been refinished, so a shooter, and it's a 3 screw that escaped the "refit". I think I may have contracted the 41 sickness :)
I picked up one of those little Redhawks too. My SA groups usually aren't as good as Bob's DA groups, but the 2 3/4" Redhawk did alright for me SA at 15 yards. Load is Lyman 410459 220gr SWC over 8.1gr Unique.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...psywsqqlgu.jpg
rking22 that is a very nice GP100 and congrats on finding the Blackhawk, I'm still searching for a shooter 3 screw 4 5/8" .41 Blackhawk, but can't find a reasonably priced one.
KO
Has PC coating been used on the 41 Mag.
Ranchdog has some loadnotes posted for the 41 Mag and 41 Special !!
Here's the link:
http://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/data/NOE/PDF/40/
Here's an interesting read for 41 mag fans.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/arti...mag-cartridge/
Absolutely, I just did up over a hundred last night of the MP 412640's. I'm loading them to full magnum pressure over some surplus 297 powder and they shoot great. No streaking or anything.Quote:
Has PC coating been used on the 41 Mag.
I also did up some of the 413640 Lite which run around 180grs with my alloy. Those little pills rocked out right at 1600fps from my 7.5" Redhawk, and again nothing noted what so ever in the bore.
My thought was that if the coating held up under those loads, then everything under them was just ice cream. I used the harbor freight red and some of Smoke's dark blue.
Got to sight in the 2.75" Redhawk a few days ago...used the 180 grain MeHic solid with 14.0 grains of Blue Dot. These were the final two sight-in groups at ten yards DA...gun takes a lot of concentration to shoot well...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...psc7i7vhlr.jpg
Below is the results of some testing I did back in March. Hope it helps someone out.
March 30, 2015,
Well I have been playing with both PC and plain lubed bullets in my 41 for the past several months in hopes of duplicating the jacketed loads I like to shoot.
So what i have come up with is a couple of the MP molds in the 411 and 413 640 designs. The heavy one drops around 220grs with a small HP, and the "Lite" ones drop at 175'ish, with the large HP and around 185'ish with the small HP. I was hoping these would duplicate the old Remington 170gr SJHP they discontinued years ago.
Well here is a teaser pic of the chrony after running one of the "Lite" 175'ish grain ones over it,
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/atta...&thumb=1&stc=1
March 31, 2015, 04:25 AM
The Rest of the Story...
The first try with this particular bullet used a 16gr charge of AA-9 with the bullets tumble lubed. This was simply an exercise to see if the alloy would hold up to the load. I had used this same load with another alloy and it shot fine but this was the softer blend and failed miserably.
After rethinking and knowing that it was probably more due to the lube used than the alloy, being I was shooting it up to 1300fps over 13grs of AA-9 in my GP-100 in a 160gr version, I decided to try another test.
I had been reading about the powder coating but hadn't decided I really wanted to give it a go. This somewhat goaded me into it, and the results were rewarding. Initially I loaded up 50 rounds, in 5 round batches. I started with 14grs and worked up to 16. Half I loaded with the powder coated 220gr, and the other half I loaded with plain lead lubed with Carnuba Red.
When I tested these I fired them in order from lowest to highest charges, first the PC, then the plain. After each of the first two shots of each load, the barrel was inspected for any signs of leading, and then again after the final three shots. After shooting each 5 rounds I ran a brush through followed by a dry patch of which neither removed anything more than powder residue.
Following this, I came back and loaded up the "Lite" version, shown above. I decided with these I was going to up the annie and went with a load that I shot with the 170gr Remington bullet several years ago which was 23grs of 296. While I had that powder in the measure I also loaded up 10rounds, 5ea. of the previous coated and plain 220gr ones over 18.5grs of 296.
When tested these all shot wonderfully, but I still hadn't had a chance to set up the chrony so I didn't have a clue as to the velocity. That changed this past weekend when I finally got it set up and ran some for speed checks.
As the picture above shows, the 175gr pills are running at a fair pace of right at 1600fps. That is right in the same ball park I got with the Remington jacketed version. I do have to admit though these don't hold together quite as well as those did. They have shown to shed the nose ring within the first 4-6" of the sand but the bases are still penetrating up to around 10 more inches after that.
The 220gr ones however are rolling back into near perfect mushrooms with almost every one recovered. Usually they have flattened out down to within around 3/8 - 1/4" of the bases depending on if I shoot them into the recovery buckets at 25 or 50yds. While none of this is scientific by any stretch, I have found through a lifetime of shooting into this baby powder type sand that it does render a bullet to a very close resemblance to ones that I have recovered from game. I'm getting just over 1300fps with these which is real close to the load I have been hunting with for the past 15 or more years, using the 200gr Remington SJHP. That load shoots around 2" or less at 50yds if I do my part and has accounted for numerous hogs up to and a bit over 200# with a couple being taken at just over 100yds. I can clearly see that with a little practice this bullet will soon be replacing those if the field performance proves to be on par.
Now that I have the alloy and the velocity working, I just need to find me some hogs to try them out on.
Below are a few of the recovered bullets. As you can see, it is pretty easy to determine the 413640's I shot at 25 verses the ones at 50 due to the length of the shank. As for the 175's, well it really doesn't matter what range I have shot them they end up the same, usually in two or more pieces.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/atta...&thumb=1&stc=1
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I have been shooting these almost exclusively ever since I posted this back in March. They are super accurate with several powders and duplicate the pictured expansion so regularly it is almost boring to sift them out expecting something to change.
My hopes are that I can find those darned hogs and give them a REAL testing. So far I have only managed to dispatch one young coyote which was snagged in one of our hog snares, and this past weekend I put one of the 220gr ones through a big fox squirrel with a shot just behind the shoulder which left plenty of the meat left to nibble on. (glad I didn't have the "Lite" ones in there.)
This past weekend, the oldest grandson and I set up our "big" plate at 150yds. It is a SS disc out of a 24" butterfly valve we pulled out at work. They were chunking it and I thought WOW what a nice gong to shoot at, and managed to snag it. Sitting with one of the single pole shooting sticks as a rest, we managed to smack it numerous times once we figured where to aim. Thing is I knew to NOT hold over and sure enough if we centered the front sight on the center of the disc, we were hitting about 4" or so low. Those 413640's fly flat and true, now I'm working on loading up more so we can get back out there and do some more of that. It was a hoot. Soon as I get the pic off my phone and reduced, I'll post it up.
Well as I mentioned here is the pic of the disc,
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Also here is one of the unlucky squirrel we found packing away my deer feed, had he run off I wouldn't have bothered, but he just stood up on his hind legs and dared me to get out of the truck. Well I did,
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...here Piggy, Piggy....
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/...evolver.28634/
Got to shoot my 3 screw blackhawk today, shot the 220NOEs well on 13.6 of 2400 (Special cases) 2 1/2 inches with hands rested.Really was there to shoot the GP100, but had to give the BH a try. Only quandry is it's shooting about 7 inches high at 25 yards! Is that normal for the 4 4/8 BH , rear sight is bottomed out? I have a Lee 200 , will see if that comes down next chance I get.
I have the same issue with a bunch of my .41's, due to the slowness of the bullet they impact quite high. You can swap out your front sight for a taller one, or simply compensate by eye.
It isn't the slowness of the bullet on the older Three-Screws...it is someone at Ruger regulated them all wrong. If you measure a front sight from a .41 Magnum from the 1960s and another from the 70s+ you'll see that the one from the 70s is taller. I've had three early TSs and they were all the same.
The .30 Carbines are the same way. I had the blade on mine milled off and a new blade installed...the .41s were sold.
Also you may try shooting standing unsupported as I have found that using a benchrest will cause my shots to go high with a revolver. I usually shoot from the Keith backrest position when shooting long range or load testing.
Bob
Any gun sighted to some point will shoot high when a bullet is pushed slower (in close range) it is simply a matter of the dwell time of the bullet. It is moving in the barrel for a longer time thus giving recoil more influence of where the muzzle is when the bullet leaves the barrel.
100% agree....but if you measure the early Ruger Blackhawk front sights and compare them to guns made after about 1970 you will find in this case it is a gun problem not an ammo problem.
Definitely an issue with the early Ruger .41 BH's. Here is a pic of an early 4-5/8 on the left and a later 6-1/2 on the right. The shorty initially shot 8" high @ 25 with the rear sight bottomed out.
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I was able to modify the rear sight enough to get POA/POI to meet, using RCBS 41-210 SWC.
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41 Mag load with Alliant Power Pro 300 MP and Rainier 220 grain plated flat point? Several of the other powders I have tried have not really given me the results I wanted. BUT the manuals do not have a 300 MP load for the 41 mag. I have an email into Alliant but until they reply .. Search did not turn up much .. Mostly 44 mag loads .. Thanks .. K
Anyone cast any of the NOE 412-237 Kieth bullets? I would like to buy a couple dozen to try and to compare against some from an NEI mold.
Thanks
jeff
Kdiver, I took an estimate at loads using PP 300MP and fired them in a 7.5" Blackhawk as well as a 20" Marlin. Velocities were decent, with the Blackhawk giving a 170gr Sierra 1414fps, the 210gr XTP 1391fps, Speer's 200gr HP 1398fps and a 230gr Lee cast 1302fps. Only the 170gr Sierra bullet gave good acccuracy, and in the Marlin the same picture developed--interesting to me because it hasn't grouped the other 170gr Sierra loads well at all. I tried out the pound of powder out of curiosity but will be using AA9, 2400 and Lil'Gun going forward. Hope Alliant comes back with tested data.
Cast a couple hundred with my new 41026......haven't loaded any yet.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...psgmz16qqi.jpg
KO
KO
That is a fine looking boolit, where did you get that mold?
Greg
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Nice bullet and nicely cast. I have heard that mold is a pain to cast good boolits with...
I've also read that if one crimps in the crimping groove that the front driving band will not go into the throats of some .41s...
Bob
That is a great bullet for the mag and special. Matt's sells them for those that do not have the mold
http://www.mattsbullets.com/index.ph...rgc07v7pjcotk3
Bob, there is no problem casting with the 41026. The one that is a real pain in the patootie is the 41027 HBWC.
Frank, the 41026 weighs 205 grains with my alloy ~ 2.5 Sn, 2.5 Sb, 95 Pb.
The front driving band measures .130 on the 41027 and .125 on the 41026.
A couple of samples that have been rolling around on my reloading bench for awhile.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...psv2wdfllg.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...pspzvwofwu.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...pswcaa6hlp.jpg
Sorry, I still have not loaded any......been too busy playing with my 44-40s and 45 Colts.
KO
Wow,,,,, ko41 have you ever loaded that HB WC upside down???
Both are pretty bullets, thanks for sharing.