I'll say the same thing I said before. Pictures on the internet mean absolutely nothing to me and prove nothing. I can't take someone serious who doesn't give one shread of loading data up to and including the range. You probably need to read the text in posts #106 & #107 and not just look at the pictures. I have no intent of getting into it with you again but my offer from our last debate still stands although because of my job we'd have to make arrangements around my schedule.
I consider myself a fairly competent reloader and caster so if you trust me enough to let me know the secret a PM would be appreciated. Sorry, but you and Larry are not on that list due to your previous posts on this subject. Larry has stated that there is no secret, and maybe he is correct as I have posted the supposed secret at least twice in the past. Maybe you could ask Larry how to do it? He has certainly posted a whole lot of things about loading ammo, albeit those things have only very little to do with the present subject as demonstrated by Joe.
Joe did pretty good. Instead of you other writers dancing around the subject and claiming part of the trophy, why not see if you can meet the requirements that were so kindly (NOT) subjected to Joe. I think we will be waiting a very long time on that. BTW, sub-MOA, at high velocity, with a stock, iron sighted M38 Swede was acheived back in 1988 (yes, quite a few consecutive groups & a season of ground hog shooting also, but that was 10 years before I got on the internet). It can be done easily, provided you know how and that is the question put to Larry Gibson, PatI, among other very talkative people. Do you know how and if so, can you post 5 sequential groups shot at high RPM (at least as high as Joe posted) showing you do know how.We're all waiting for you guys to show us................