The folks on the OPTIONS market are making a fortune right now.
Bought it around $1.00 and now selling around $4.50 and never saw or smelled a thing.
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The folks on the OPTIONS market are making a fortune right now.
Bought it around $1.00 and now selling around $4.50 and never saw or smelled a thing.
It's those hoarders, filling up those 1000 gallon tanks. Well that's what 22LR was. LOL What's next, food? Has our little Hitler even said a word about this, or is he too busy. Why was the Cochin pipeline shut down in Dec.? Maybe we should ask the EPA, as maybe this is payback for mocking their taxing global warming.
I don't heat with propane at home, but was talking today with one of my contractors who does. He said his tank was good for the rest of the winter but he checked with his regular supplier (Minocqua, WI) and the answer he got was they would be happy to deliver as much as he wanted but the current price was $4.99.
-ktw
I haven't see propane at $1.00 in over fifteen years. Here it went from .89c gal in 1995 to .99ish. Then the next in 2000 it was just under $2.00 last few years it has been between $2.05 to $2.40 ish.
I'd just like to get a delivery today so we can keep the hot water, heat and cooking going. I'll be pulling out the coleman stoves here soon.
@$4.99 per gallon I could have a wood or pellet stove installed then use a smaller tank for cooking/hot water.
New Yorkisstan western region prices
http://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Energy-Dat...s.aspx#western
$1 is probably the refinery price, before any taxes or anything is added. Propane was $1.68 here this summer, but my sister over on the front range of Colorado, it was $1.42. The plant is closer to me than her!!
Wow.. was sick all weekend and yesterday and missed all of this! ;)
I am an engineer, drive a VW Turbocharged Diesel that averages (real) 43 MPG year around.. this year probably less because of the cold... and has a horizontal loop "geothermal" heat pump.
I'm all for efficiency if it works and eventually pays back. The car took about 5 years, the heat pump 5 years. That's too long for many. I am Greener than almost all of the Greenies I know because what I do WORKS.
Having said that, the belief that humans destroyed the planet, or put in in a course of destruction in 100 years by releasing a WEAK greenhouse gas that is necessary for life on this planet is pretty absurd. Very .. well.. Narcissistic too... The claims of the hockey stick and we will turn the planet into Venus is crazy too. At worst, if we released all of it, we'd again have the amounts of CO2 that were present in the Dinosaur era. Which the planet then could support HUGE animals. What actually killed these HUGE animals, people, is an ICE AGE that we are still recovering from, not a stinking meteor hit. Or if it was a meteor hit it was the COLD that killed them off. Mammals were the small animals and as such could live in colder weather and with much less food. And they took over the colder planet.
Greenland is called Greenland why? Well, in the "medieval warm period", when it was settled it was GREEN and farmed. Until the industrial revolution happened, that time period was the best economic time in human history. Oh, and polar bears did survive that period.
What I am trying to say is that are heating up the planet SLIGHTLY in the huge geologic terms. But, the system will not run away, and it will in fact, self limit. We will run out of carbon fuels in time, and that alone will limit the system. If we heat up the planet, we will need less man made heat. We won't turn into Venus.
If we attempt to undo the Industrial Revolution, we will have famine, war (maybe nuclear) and likely do the planet and environment much more harm than having the system, including human ingenuity, self limit.
But to let the economics self limit goes against the central-control policies of both sides, doesn't it? I mean we need to be saved from ourselves. We need to kill humans to save them right?
The comment about Atlas Shrugged in the thread is so spot on. I didn't read it until I was an adult and for years I thought I had to be the only person on the planet that thought that way. Read Rand if you have not and even if you disagree you will get a dose of logic that will be good for you. She saw it happen in Russia and got out. Read We the Living if you want only a slightly fictionalized (in that the heroine doesn't successfully escape in the fictionalized book) account of her life there right before coming to America....
Well, maybe and then maybe not! Seems to have got its name from a con artist by the name of Eric the Red.
http://ancientstandard.com/2010/12/1...-got-its-name/
I don't even remember what I was going to throw down about. Propane here was $3.60 per gallon when I bought propane in December. I have been running those radiator oil space heaters since, and my propane consumption has decreased quite a bit.
Looks like the cost of cleanup of my wheel weights and cost of making my beer is gonna go up as that's all the propane that is used for by me .
In my opinion its just a greed based situation . Getting most out of the situation at hand , the Artic cold snap sweeping the country now !
I haven't noticed much increase here yet but a buddy in Ks. said it doubled in price last week .
Love Life tell me a little more about those space heaters. I have two upstairs bedrooms on the west and northwest end of the house that trip my thermostats. I have hot water heat and both bedrooms are on separate zones. I have a wood stove that will keep the house comfy warm normally and not call for heat from the boiler. Other propane uses are domestic water and cooking. I asked the wife about good space heaters for those bedrooms but we let it slide the last couple years. Sixty degrees is as low as she will let me lower the thermostat in the bedrooms. If I could take the edge off in those two rooms I can just about keep the boiler from coming on in the whole house if we are home.
When my youngest son graduated from ISU he stayed in Ames as an engineer for the energy industry. He does a lot of volunteer work in his spare time and a couple of years ago he was working with the real estate industry in the area. While he was home one day he mentioned the realtors are worried about energy a couple years down the road as the biggest detriment to their business. This has always been in the back of my mind but for sure it is ringing home right now. I'm thinking about next year for those space heaters.
Anybody else with good space heater info?
Must have been a very short farming enterprise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland
Only reason Eric the Red lived there was because he was exiled there. Historians think because of murder.
He named it Greenland to con people to move there.
A big problem is that WE ONLY heat as high as we can afford BUT we also must pay for the 80 degree heat in the ENTITLED folks places.:evil:
The oil filled space heaters are still electrically powered. The oil is just a heat transfer medium. Probably provides some thermal mass to even out the temperature fluctuations of the device also.
http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?...llow&cId=PDIO1