I will get one if you can get ahold of the guy. Just try to figure out the total cost and how to apply it.
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I will get one if you can get ahold of the guy. Just try to figure out the total cost and how to apply it.
I would be in for one litre if a few other people want to split the shipping to the USA.
I wonder what the shipping would be to the USA?
I have been contacted by Joe. He said that he had a phone call from someone in the States to his cell phone and the reception at his end was awful. He doesn't know who it was from. Ifth eperson concerned could contact him on his landline (cheaper anyway) he will answer any queries.
He stated separetly that someone from Bayou Bullet Co contacted him.
He is keen to do business in the States and anyone who is interested should contact him or give me your contact details so I can pass them on.
I am not affiliated with Joe or J&M, I just have ended up being a contact after getting involved in this thread.
I have been using bullets with his coatings for many years and he turns out a first rate product, which is totally safe to use, so I don't have any qualms about referring him or helping who I can. Mick.
Four Fingers,
In post # 174 you gave us a link to his phone number.
Which phone number is his landline?
Is it the 9004 number or the 9304 number?
PM me his landline number.
Thanks,
WCK
+61 2 6556 9004 is the landline. Good luck.
Four Fingers,
When is the best time of the day to call Joe?
This would be Eastern Daylight Time.
Thanks,
WCK
Between 9-5 Monday to Friday I would imagine. Eastern Standard time (Sydney/Vladivostok time).
I would be very keen to get some of this ''paint'' and try it.I think if it does what it's said it does we could see the end of grooved boolits and smooth sided aka jacketed boolits could be the future.I would really like to shoot a .303 cartridge loaded with a nice red coloured dry lubed 180-200grn .316dia boolit or green 150grn .268 6.5x55 number. Pat
A lot of occasional black powder cowboy shooters (we have a few BP only shoots, probably the same everywhere) that use the coated bullets with BP. They generally use an overpowder wad and a grease cookie. The funny thing is I tried to pan lube a bunch using Pearl Lube from Darstardly Dan (Big Lube moulds). No way Jose' would it stick to the bullets! I ended up having to use a cookie. I have never tried running them through a lube sizer.
Interesting stuff.
Has anybody tried a metallic paint? For example rustoleum silver metallic paint used to paint pipes and tanks? I have some at home I need to dig out of storage and try sometime.
youwouldn't want to use paint. the stuff will more than likely goo up the rifling and act like a leaded up barrel. a coating that that cross links.... aka... one that will not wet back out with solvent is what is needed if you want to try it.
anyone moving forward on this? i would like to give it a try but kinda don't see how this works since all my heads need to be sized. i wonder if they use "special" molds that are slighty undersized compared to normal molds.
Heads? No offence, but we call them boolits around here, lol.
In my mates little sweatshop, he has a big Star lubesizer just as you come into the shop. and he offers the bullets sized to what you require, eg, 427 or 429, etc. I will have to check that one out.
Yesterday I made my first painted boolits. The paint is from Italy and here is the link - http://www.inver.com/en/.
Im very satisfied from the result. Last year I shot only with painted boolits (http://www.ares-gun.sk/?lang=english and http://ammo.dynamic-arms.com/)- no lead in the barrel, excelent accuracy and...5 % less powder compared with FMJ.
I made three different types 9x19 (Lee 124 Grain Tumble Lube Truncated Cone and 125 Grain 2 Ogive Radius, RCBS 147 Grain Flat Nose) and one .40 (Lee 175 Grain Truncated Cone)
Here is my result:
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0040/026324508.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0040/026324511.jpg?r=0
It's easy and very cheap. The needed paint for one boolit costs $0.002!!! Yes, for $0,01 you can paint five boolits. I buy 1 kilo for $5, and with this quantity I can paint approximatealy 3K boolits.
Best regards from Bulgaria, Eastern Europe :)
Do you paint them then size them or size then paint?
Thats interesting plamenti, but what is the exact product? The link just opened up a site.
After learning about the dangers of using teflon at high temps and pressures, I'd be wanting to make sure the paint was free of it before I used it.
First paint, then size with Lee boolits sizer dies. I "bake" the boolits in one old stove - 30 minutes, 180 degree Celsius.
This is my Powder Coating Gun - http://www.eastwood.com/original-hot...ing-gun-1.html
Here is my whole equipment:
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0040/026324500.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0040/026324498.jpg?r=0
Four Fingers of Death, I'm sorry, my mistake - you can use any kind of Epoxypolyester powder paint. Here - http://www.inver.com/en/powder_coati...yester/78/788/ . Here is the site of the distributor in my country Bulgaria - http://plasto.bg/articledetails.php?ArticleID=25 .
I don't know what is the equivalent of this Epoxypolyester powder paint in US.
I use withe paint, becouse is the cheapest. The collor is not important for the quality. With the other links I just want to show what kind ot boolits you can make. I don't hear about any dangers of using polimer painted boolits and I can't say anything.
Anyone seen/tried the bear creek moly coated bullets? Searching that name doesnt bring up much on the site and doesnt seem to have been brought up in this thread.
Still having minor problems, but I'm working to fix them - sometimes the paint is thick and I have a problem with removing the boolits from the tray, some of the coating breaks off.
But they are very good for me, cheap and works great.
With normal paint spraying, the only way to achieve success is to have an ultralight first coat (There is a huge temptation to lay it on straight away, lol but this is a sure way to get too thick a coat and runs. I learnt this the hard way fixing old rust bucket cars years ago).
Is there a source of epoxypolyester paint domestically? There could be major problems importing these things. Conversely, someone might be importing them already. Is anybody pursuing either the Inver paint (dry powder might not be as problematical to import), or the Australian products? I tried the Inver UK website and it would not load. As I only speak English, I thought the Britts might be easier to understand. I'd be interested in a paint containing Moly disulfide maybe.
Just google epoxypolyester powder coating:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=15&g...0&bih=465&bs=1
And Eastwood carries the works needed: http://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powd...FQ5ihwodzk3-4A
If anyone does get around to ordering the paint I would buy some too. I will be loading standard 9mm and subsonic as well as subsonic 300blk. Email is scorpiomjk@yahoo.com if I forget to check this thread for a bit.
Those with any knowledge of using the paint, what happens with sizing? Before? Before and after or just after paint, or not at all?? I would love to be able to drop boolits, paint and shoot without sizing. Accuracy is not my main priority, just like to plink with friends and if I get my ffl/sot later this year I will have some hungry post samples to feed.
Here you can't make first coat - it's only one. I consulted with a professional painter, and he says that is very important the dish and boolits surfaces to be perfectly clean - no lubricants, no oxides, no dust or dirt.
It's needed to obtain a good static - the most important thing to become a good polymer coating.
Its a great idea, will probably never happen on a production basis. This would drive the anti-lead bullet people crazy. It would require a large cash outlay to get started, times are hard.
Rafe:drinks:
Ares (http://www.ares-gun.sk/?lang=english) produces millions every season...
[QUOTE=Rafe Covington;1591166]Its a great idea, will probably never happen on a production basis. This would drive the anti-lead bullet people crazy. It would require a large cash outlay to get started, times are hard.
Rafe:drinks:[/QUO
Polymer coated is pretty much the only way non jacketed bullets are sold in Australia.
palmenti, if only Ares would share how they make those bullets so nice and purty.
Dobr angliski!
plamenti did explain, the epoxypolyester powder coat comes in those colors, go to Eastman here, they not only sell the powder coating, but the guns and a powder coating video guide on how to apply.
http://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powder-coating.html
plamanti did his and I am now considering trying to do some myself along with the prep for powder coating. http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-pre-painting-prep.html
The bullets that Ares and other companies sale are fully coated, including the base.
Uh, ya said look nice and purty, I thought plamenti's boolits filled that bill.
Not only Ares offer boolits coated with polymer paint. I give them for example, because they are damn good and their stock is with top quality.
But unfortunately Slovakia is too far from my country, the shipping costs a lot and so I'm making such type boolits for myself.
Not all, they also offer boolits with unpainted base. Just look the pictures closely.
And here is a pic of a test performed with such boolits.
http://www.wieder-lader.de/assets/images/A40x2.JPG
Here is some loading data (aber ist auf Deutsch :D).
http://www.wieder-lader.de/html/ladedaten.html
Thats because they pour the coating on while tumbling, light coat first up, cook then another coat and cook. Makes for a pretty tough well finished product.
Here are a few samples, the blue 38 Super Bullets are from Hawkesbury River Bullet Company (pretty much the original guys who started the coated bullet scene here, changed hands a few times since) and the green ones 44s I think are from Mr Lone Colt in Lithgow, he is a one man band. They both use the same coating with different colours.
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...217_202915.jpg
Sizing again. You said after paint .362, then size to .355 but what was the size before paint? Kind of wondering what size they/you are dropping them, and if/or how much smaller boolits need to be at the start to do the powder coating or painting option.
It would be interesting to see what kind of paint thickness the main manufacturers aim for, if they drop .353 boolits, paint and size at 355 or if they go smaller/bigger out of the mold.
Before paint - .356 - .357. I'm casting with Lee molds.
How does that work then, you cast a .356 boolit, paint and then size down to smaller than cast? Is the paint that hard that it squeezes the boolit down more than shave the paint off? Would be interested in seeing before/after pics of sizing.
From today - I'm very happy with my results. I made .356 (Lee 125 Grain 2 Ogive Radius) and .40 (Lee 175 Grain Truncated Cone) and tried some improvements. I'm still learning, but was satisfied.
I'm using my mobile phone for a camera and the quality of the pics is not good, but it's enough to get an idea...
The results:
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389738.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389736.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389737.jpg?r=0
The improvements:
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389717.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389718.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389731.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389729.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/0073/026389714.jpg?r=0