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Nice setup. That would definitely alleviate the issue I mentioned. I need to work out something similar. I am actually using a spring for my case feeding too so I can't anchor off of that plastic tube.
Rendition #8 just went on the printer. Talk about wasted plastic. lol
Most of the way done making the spring adapter. Just need to plan a way to actually insert the spring into it which will take some thinking. Current progress here. It's actually been faster than I thought. Thank you for making the design with nice mostly round numbers TylerR.
That was one of the routes I was going to take. The original part was just smooth, having gravity hold it in place and take advantage of the conical shape. It might even be able to be threaded in on its own like you would put a key on a key ring. I'll test that out tonight.
Are you guys not using rubber bands or springs to pull the two halves together?
Don't order something from Amazon late at night when your tired and stupid. I ordered some brake line spring protector Saturday nite and early Sunday morning I realized that tho the OD was perfect, the ID was too small for .22 bullets.....yeah....dumb! Tried to cancel, and even tho they hadn't shipped yet they wouldn't.....A holes.
So today I went to Ace Hardware and bought two short 6" springs that were perfect for my drop tube......so what do you do with two? They each screwed into the top of the feeder die and the bottom of the proximity switch, perfectly. Then I just made a "view port" in between. ;)
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Above: View port just required 3 short pieces of thinline rigid tubing, two 3/8 OD, and one 5/16 OD. Just applied a single drop of slow set super glue about a 1/4" from each end of the 5/16, and pushed/rotated the 3/8 tubes half way on the smaller center tube. It set in about 30 seconds, and I was ready to roll.
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Springs cost me $2 each. Anybody need some brake line protector......I don't think I will ever reload 17 caliber. [smilie=b:
Andar, what I've ended up doing with all my springs is just make the hole a tad smaller than the spring, with threads, but I don't worry about special thread design anymore. I found that if you screw on the tubing the same direction as the spring turns.....making the spring tighter in diameter it just slips on.....and I can push it in a long ways that way. Then when you let it go it unwinds, tightening against the threads, which just act as friction as opposed to being against slick smooth insides.
The .223 ones in my last post, I didn't even have threads, but at that size I just ran a 5/16 X24 die in each end carefully to make them rough inside....then just pushed my Ace Hardware springs in as described above. They won't come out unless I turn them tight and pull hard. Works for me....
GWS, I'd try that but the springs I bought are conical on one end as they're meant to go over or inside pipes to help bend them without kinking as seen here. Like a spring door stopper. Gravity holds the spring in place perfectly and it won't come out if you tug on it unless you do it hard enough to deform the shape.
Turns out I won't have to make threads, as I can just spin it into place. I'll print out the part tomorrow to see how it works.
I've got rubber bands on one and an oring on another. I even use a rubber band on my DAA 30 cal one seems way more reliable that way.
Will be welding up a mount (still figuring the best way) and using the mount you designed TylerR. Question though, any issue with not having the tilting ability side to side? My AM one I use the spines on the X and Y so I can adjust either way. Of course it may be overkill and not needed, especially with the wider slide area.
Also, I have printed all the slides, quite the collection of those and great job with the side labels. Very cool. Can't wait to spin this one up.
Just posted v1.0.9
- Collator generator v2.0.7 with changes to ridges with new parameters.
- All stock bullet collator plates have been generated with ridges and no slides.
- Minor changes to drop tubes for better reliability.
- Added 45acp feed die. Uses one 4mm ball bearing. 4 different bullet heights spaced 1mm apart. Feedback welcome.
- Added bullet compatibility chart. I am looking for feedback on this one so we can make it more comprehensive.
I've seen those benders.....I was going to get around to checking them out at an autosupply store but haven't. The only thing that bothered me is... if they are strong enough to bend brake lines and such, are they too stiff, too big wirewise for down tubes......but I wouldn't know never having seen them. And I suppose some are cheaper and lighter than others......maybe the lighter the better?
As for the coned end, if I had one I was just planning to grind it off......;) But what do I know?:)
I hope that turns out to be the best move for the project.......my test with .223 isn't a big enough sample to be sure if that's the best way for everything......assuming you and others have data or experience too with the bigger calibers? I don't want to get lynched....;)
Yes, if people report back that they had success with a particular bullet and slide plate, including specific casting molds, I will add it to the chart. There are some things that I could assume, for instance I am fairly sure the #4 plate will probably work with most all 9mm bullets, I would prefer to only add ones that have been positively tested. Where it would really shine is some of these more challenging bullet designs, hollow points, bevel bases, boat tails, etc.....
Haha. I hear ya man! I am going to be printing the plates over the next couple of days and will do my testing. I will definitely be testing 9mm, 45acp, 40sw and 44mag. Lablover can maybe provide some feedback as well.
That being said, I think the logic behind the change is very solid, and of course people have the option to generate their own plates if they are more comfortable with the slides.
With my first printed bullet feeder now excelling at doing .223 for my Pro Chucker 7, it's finally time to print out the big base and see if it will collate .223 and .308 cases for the same Press. That means joining the genuine TylerR big base club. Now I need to go to back pages and see what's the best way to do those calibers. Any tips on the most important posts and prints?
I also need to make a bullet plate for the .30 caliber rifle, but that will be project #3. So much to do so little time.
It's helps that I'm already good in the pistol bullet collating department with my modified pre-3d-printed flippered Hornady. I want to see you guys match that beginner's luck rendition and print .45,.357,.40, 9mm with one plate! Its easier than you think if you drop bullets to the bottom of the base before you drop them through the down tube hole.......that's the trick.
I never showed you guys that mod in Ammo Mike's base for the .223/.45 nose down collator either .... I can take it apart tomorrow and take some more pictures, if anyone's interested......or I can just keep it a secret I guess...;)
This is going to be a busiest winter I've had in years............sounds great to me.......even if I don't make a dime doing it.......
BTW......Everybody VOTE tomorrow if you haven't already! That's an order! We're out of time.....
This will be a new test for the collator. .223 cases I am sure will be no problem. It will be interesting to see how it handles the large .308 cases.
If I am understanding you correctly, this is where there is basically a ramp down leading up to the drop hole. Is that right? I had put some thought in to that one. I just don't know what un-intended consequences it could have on everything else.
You know me, I am always interested in new concepts...
Absolutely!!!!
I just tested the new ridge only large pistol plate on 230gn RN .45acp boolits and it worked flawlessly. Just started the print on the small pistol plate to test 9mm.
That’s great news. Mine will be printing shortly. I have some very finicky .45 cast bullets I want to try. 160gr swc button nose Hitek coated. Honestly I don’t expect to have much luck. At least I never did with AM version and a DAA die. These bullets are probably as short as they are round. Lol
After putting some more thought in to it, I believe I have figured out where to position the ball bearing. In my design there are 4 holes. Pick a hole that is just slightly lower then the height of your bullet.
Also, I used some acetone to smooth out the portion of the insert that slides in the the threaded body, just to help reduce the friction a little bit. And don't forget to use a 4mm nozzle and higher quality print settings. I used a 1.2 layer height and it comes out very nice.
Lablover, how tall are the bullets exactly? I can always add another lower bearing hole. The lowest hole right now is 11mm. So as long as the bullet is longer then that it should work.
Just for fun, try putting 9mm in using the new .45 plate and see what happens.....I'm curious. You may or may not have to adjust the slider more......I'm guessing not, since the thing is tilted and the bullets are still going to ride on the lower side of the hole.
Little square bullets may not do well in the bigger hole, but then I never use such things.
See what I mean?
Look at my pre-3Dprinter version (pre-powered in testing).......see those big holes?....see those little 9mm bullets?
https://vimeo.com/323636254
That is a very mediocre Hornady Pistol Bullet Feeder.......ressurrected....;)
This one has troughs, because I used a scroll saw on the original plate....but they don't go to the center.....so there's yet another possibility....
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I dont think the die is going to be the problem, I have to figure a way with the collator plates to stop the bullets from wedging sideways and then getting jammed into the wall of the bowl. Just happened and locked the collator up but good. The pin in the shaft ended up just tearing thru the plate. Time for a new plate. I'll get a picture up in a bit of the jam. Feeder die is printing now at fine setting. I have to do a new collator plate and I'm going to try it on fine setting or try the variable layer height in Prusa.
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Gee lablover.......maybe I don't want to use the powerful Dayton Motor on my next one. I don't like to print quite THAT much!
Where does it hang exactly.....picture show it? Is it when the flipper catches the over turned one?
My little motor just stops and waits for me to run over an turn it off, when things jamb.
Couple thoughts. You could gain .5mm by setting the plate diameter to 180mm instead of 179.5. Also, what are you using for your caliber setting? I would run it as close as possible to the actual bullet diameter. 10.5mm would give you 11.7 mm with the added 1.2mm. That is a pretty tight tolerance for 11.46mm bullet.
What about just wrapping electrical tape around the base where the wheel goes to close it up first.....just to see if sucking up the diameter works. Then if it does do what TylerR suggests. Maybe the plate holes need to be smaller a little....those are the little square things I was just talking about, aren't they?
Tyler, I'm still wondering if there's a amperage turn off on some of these motors.....or they'd hum and burn out.
I think I will test my Dayton before I commit to use it.....is or is there not an amperage turn off.....
I guess thats the good thing about the motor..Id rather have it ruin a plate than mess up the motor. I'm going to try all suggestions above. Honestly as well I'm not completly sold on that bullet and may just stick with the H&G 68 200 gr SWC. Now those seem to feed just dandy thru the feeder.
That's just it......I've had plenty of booboos that bind the motor.....that's what testing is.... You'd think that little motor would burn ...... but it never does.....and I've never heard it hum either.....or is that my dim almost 71 year-old ears? ;)
Tyler? Humming noticed on your big motor?
Another issue might be that plate was done before I figured the shaft diameter issue so that may add to the Boo Boos. I don't mind printing plates they just take forever
Ha! You must be a lot younger than me......I mind, I don't have forever left.....:)
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