When Did This Idea of a Rapture Come From?
I don’t understand what you mean by red and black letters.
I was referencing what the Bible physically has written down within itself vs the doctrine of mens churches, which changes from church to church. Yet they all claim to use the Bible with differing outcomes.
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When Did This Idea of a Rapture Come From?
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It's just figurative? That's puzzling. Do you really mean the whole Rapture account is just a well meaning lie?
I believe that section is meant largely to be poetic. Like when it says in psalms 72 he will flourish until the moon is no more. It means forever. Not that on a new moon he will abandon him or that if he wanted to abandon him on a specific time he’d wipe out the moon first. Just means forever.
Nor do I believe you have been maliciously lied too or that your being malicious by defending it. And I sincerely hope don’t find me to be malicious by presenting evidence to refute the idea of a rapture. Just simply in my study I find more evidence against it then for it.
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When Did This Idea of a Rapture Come From?
Please explain further what you mean:
“ When the Lord returns and stops the Tribulation, the saved mortals who died in the Tribulation will be resurrected with immortal bodies, ready to enter heaven and stand in the presence of god.”
My understanding of the idea of a rapture occurring, is that Jesus is supposed to save people before the tribulation occurs. When in fact, the faithful are meant to survive through it on the earth.
Also that statement conflicts with the fact that blood and flesh (physical bodies) can not enter heaven. Unless by “Immortal bodies” you mean to say the person has died in order to assume a spirit-angel like form to serve in heaven.
Also I fail to see how this does not support my own argument. Here we are saying the same thing with different words.
“First, the resurrected of all ages will have the heart of God written on their hearts (Heb 10:16). They will then live sinless because their hearts will at last conform to what wants and that's best for all of us.”
And as for this:
“Second, Jesus has already paid for my sins and I had nothing to do with it. (Eph 2:8-9)”
Well, yes both are true. The we pay for our sins when we die as-well but because we are sinners we are unable to be redeemmed. Jesus is the basis of our being resurrected, because he died a innocent man without sin, so we can come back. Thus making death temporary. Also, in the Old Testament. Innocent animals paid for our sins to make gods worshippers clean. So we would be able to come to god in prayer. But this was a temporary provision only to last until Jesus came to earth. Which is also why we should pray through Jesus, as he died for us to become our bridge to God.
As for:
“Third, nothing says those who survive the Tribulation and are then allowed to repopulate the Lord's Millennial Kingdom (not the eternal Heaven on Earth) might be sinless and they certainly won't be immortal. (Isa 65:20)”
The whole point of the millennial kingdom is the timeline in the name. It’s a theocratic government designed to return humans to the perfection that Adam lost. By educating us about God and resurrecting all those righteous and unrighteous( probably those who in life never had the opportunity come to love god in their original life). To a resurrection of life and a resurrection of judgement.
So we can all attain perfect human life on earth. And prove individually our loyalty to God when Rev20:7 happens and satan is released from the abyss at the end of the thousand year period.
Those who survive tribulation, and those resurrected have to get past this to gain eternal life with God. And even then, they could lose it at some point after. As even Satan was once a perfect angel. Even an immortal spirit creature can lose their way from God and lose their life.
The only reason God didn’t wipe satan out originally was because satan knew better then to question gods power. He questioned his sovereignty. Like a rebellious teenager. Gods right to rule mankind was questioned. Gen3:5