$819 at local big 5 in Phoenix - Independence day sale is %15 off but of course you have to add tax back on.
Laminated Gray and black.
I'm not totally sold on it -
I'm keeping an Eye out for Mossburg's 308 that takes M14 mags.
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$819 at local big 5 in Phoenix - Independence day sale is %15 off but of course you have to add tax back on.
Laminated Gray and black.
I'm not totally sold on it -
I'm keeping an Eye out for Mossburg's 308 that takes M14 mags.
Well Art: How about one like this? This is the new Canadian Ranger Rifle to replace the #4 Mk1's they have been using since inception.
It is essentially a .308 cal. Tikka T3 with a bright Orange Laminate Stock and Iron Sights. It uses a Removable Box Magazine with 5 rounds and comes in a Pelican Case with all it's accessories. It has no optic. They really need to include a 1-4x Leupold VX-R optic and a Side Mounted Sling.
I expect to see a civilian version of the same exact rifle with a Gray or Green Laminate Stock soon or at least by SHOT next year.
Only problem,,, These are more like $2500 each. They are being assembled in Canada by Colt of Canada, but are manufactured by Sako.
Probably going to be a pretty sound gun as all Sakos are.
Randy
Art: You need about 4 magazines for the Scout Rifles. I started with the AI Steel Mags but switched over to the nice Ruger Polymer mags which feed much smoother. I have 2 5 round, and 2 10 round polys and one 3 round. I also have several steel mags but I hardly use them any more.
Point is,,, M14 mags vary so much that they aren't reliable, and the headaches you get from using them far out weigh the cost of the other mags for the gun. That's why Ruger didn't use them in the first place. It's also the reason why Ruger didn't use the Mini14 mags in the .223 cal version of the Scout. Too many variations in dimensions. I even run into that with my Mini14 and my Ruger mags. The Tapco Mags run better because they are all exactly the same.
Much easier to get close to identical when using a mould than trying to get sheet metal to cooperate.
Randy
Wonder why no M16 mags for Gunsite 223 version.
My guess is its much easier to make a mag work in a Bolt gun than a gas gun!
The .223 Ruger is exactly the same gun as the .308 version with a different hole in the barrel and a different bolt face. The mag is the standard steel mag with a liner in it to accommodate the smaller cartridges.
Apparently M14's don't require the cartridge to be in exactly the same place, and the bolt gun does. The reason why Ruger didn't use M14 mags like everybody thought they should is because they tried them and had nothing but problems due to the variations in the mags from different manufacturers putting the rounds in different places enough to disrupt feeding.
My gun misses the 1st round frequently if it is not all the way up against the top of the feed lips. So I guess the amount of cartridge sticking up is less than with an M14...
Mossberg solved this problem on their .223 guns by having a metal flap that falls down behind the cartridge as the bolt is opened and picks up the cartridge as it closes kind of like a Ratchet Pawl. On the .308 versions they have two ribs on the bottom of the bolt that strip the rounds off the mag. I don't know why Ruger didnt' do something similar but all these guns came after the Ruger.
I have even had problems with Mini 14 mags from Ruger which we discussed in another thread.
Randy.
I can understand the use of the single stack because I went with a WASR single stack 7.62x39 when I made my Mauser conversion - because it required a whole lot of modifications for the double stack AK47 mag to work in the Mauser action and it wasn't reversible stuff so you could go back to the factory magazine.
Got mine on trade with my brother for a nice defensive ha dun. I then added muzzle brake in p,cc of the flash hider. It screwed right on and makes huge difference and cuts the recoil to 223 levels. I mounted a Leupold EER 2.5 power scope out front and think this is the most diversified rifle I own. Especially with a good tactical sling.
New member here. I was told about this thread, and forum, by Randy. Thanks for that tip. I have been shooting for close to 50 years, and reloading almost that long. I bought one of the first left handed Gunsite models when they first became available. It was way more accurate than I expected it to be, and handled great. Mine had a lot of bolt slop, and would bind when closing the bolt. It got a little better after a few hundred rounds, but I ended up trading it off, and have missed it ever since. Last week I saw two LH ones at a shop in a neighboring town, one was new, one gently used, so I will be picking up the used one next Saturday. It has a much smoother, tighter bolt. I have a LH M700 .308 bull barrel rifle and a DPMS .308, so already have lots of reloading components ready for the GSR. Looking forward to having one again, and glad to have joined up here.
My old GSR :
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And my "Scout" Mini:
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Tony: Welcome to the real internet gun site! We have pushing 60K members here, and conversations are usually pretty civilized and filled with the best information on the web.
We'll have you Casting Boolits in short order and then you can experience the joys of building a completed round for <.10. In any event you'll shoot more as a result of being here.
Good to see you make it.
Randy
Welcome Sandog - I also like the Mini-14 scout
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And was too impatient to wait so made up some of my own
Mosin scout
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No removable magazine so stripper clip action
Mauser 7.62x39 w/ WASR mags
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It's good to have options like the Ruger and Mossberg factory made
Well, I paid off my GSR Saturday, and took it out yesterday to put some rounds through it. I cleaned the bore after bringing it home, and it did not appear to have been fired much for a used carbine. Usually I can put some of the mild (red) JB compound through the bore and get out some fouling that didn't come out with conventional cleaners, there was none. No scratches on the gun or wear on the edges of the magazine. One thing I d notice was some dried sealer or Loctite where the rear peep meets the receiver. I thought I'd remove the rear sight and clean it off, but it was on so tight that a broke the Torx bit in my Brownell's driver. Maybe the previous owner anticipated the sight coming loose and epoxied it ?
I mounted the Nikon long eye relief Pistol scope (w/ Warne Q.D. rings) that was previously on My Mini-14 Scout pictured above. It is very bright, and super clear, cranks up to 8x, and the two BDC circles below the cross hairs get me out to several hundred yards, as far as I'm likely to shoot most of the time. Sighted at 100 yards with the cross hairs, the first circle is on at 200 yards, the second at 320 yards, and the post below is about 579 yards. If only it had a lighted dot like the Leupold Fire Dot scope it would be perfect.
I sighted it in, and then shot 3 shots at 100 yards with a load that is 1/2 MOA in my bull barrel M700, a 168 SMK over Varget. I forgot to take a pic of this target out at the range, but after I got home, stapled it to a piece of cardboard and took a pic:
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By the time we got out to the 300 yard target, we has shot all the Sierra match bullet loads out of my M700, so I shot a 5 shot group from the GSR at a 300 yard target using the Hornady 147 gr. FMJBT over W748 that I shoot in my DPMS .308:
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My friend shooting the Ruger Gunsite at the gong at 330 yards:
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Me shooting the gong from sitting position:
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I really need to get sling, to get steadier from the various positions. I think I will get one of Andy's Rhodesian slings.
It will be nice if Ruger is making the new polymer stocks available separately, as they are a full pound lighter. I'll probably change out the flash hider for a Smith Enterprise brake like Randy did.
Loading the steel AI mag yesterday made me remember how much of a pain the steel mags are. You almost have to set the mag down on a table top, and push the first round way down to get the next one in. If you don't push it down enough, while loading the next round the previous one wants to tip and pop out the back of the magazine. It's almost a three hand operation. With the polymer mags, I could almost load with one hand, snapping the round down was easy. I will definitely be ordering several of the Ruger or Magpul Poly mags soon. My M700 .308 also uses the AI mags, so the poly ones will work in either gun, and I'll sell the two metal ones ( or give them to someone I don't like!).
Can't wait to see what this shorty will do with some loads worked up for it, and not some other rifle. I have a bunch of Lake City 2010 brass, and have already loaded some ammo with the 168 A-Max to try next weekend.
Tony: try using your off hand thumb to push the rear of the follower or cartridge down. It makes it much easier to load the mags. Also doing it on a table is the easiest way.
Looks like a 1 Minute gun to me.
Randy
I'll just order a few poly mags next week. I might not have a table handy when I'm out in the field.
You use the same technique for the poly mags.
Randy
The poly mags I had don't need to be slid front to back. Just snap the round in from the side.
Figured i needed to add in my GSR:
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going to be putting a trijicon 2.5-10x56 AccuPower scope on 3in offset AR rings so i can keep the stock irons in place and have it traditionally scoped! Then somewhere down the road want a re-barrel like GoodSteel did. also depending on how the scope sits i may remove the stock pad and install an adjustable kydex cheek riser.
DH: Look at you! you're ready to go as you sit!
You might try a Bushnell TRS 25 Red Dot on that gun for a while. $90 and will really make the gun fun to shoot. It clamps directly to your existing Rail. They only weigh 3 oz so they don't alter the way the gun handles and as such they make the gun easy to shoot well. I have one I interchange with my Leupold VX-R 3-9x and I tend to leave it on most of the time since I'm good to 300 yards with it.
Your 3" high scope mount may be a bit awkward on that gun. But if you can mount and dismount and keep zero it could work out fine.
Welcome to the crowd!
Randy
I thought about going red dot but the peep hole on the irons is so large from the factory i feel like it can acuire targets pretty easily. im thinking about getting a reduced diameter for a little more precision at 100yds. As for the rings i mentioned above, they are not 3" high, they are 3" longer like what people use to scope ar-15's. this allows you to use the factory picatinny rail for an optic but not have to remove the rear site. like what was done below:
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