Anyone use 700X with Sierra 170 gr. JHP. Loads would be appreciated.
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Anyone use 700X with Sierra 170 gr. JHP. Loads would be appreciated.
I have used 700X with a 165gr cast hollow point (MP mold) . I was very pleased with the load . It was accurate , clean , hard hitting load with fairly low recoil . The spent cases fell out of the cylinder when I raised the muzzle . I used a gr less than Hodgdon's current listed max . Hope this helps , Regards Paul
I use H-110 with the 170gr Sierras, but I've used 700-X with the plated 210gr X-Tremes for back yard plinking. Works well with about 7 grains of powder.
On LoadData.com they list 7.4 start, 8.4 top....
That is a pretty fast burning powder to get anywhere close to top end loads... If you can find some, H110/296 is very good... I use 26.0 which eliminates all the air space in the case.
Thanks for the replies.
800 x can work well with 170 (see Paco)
works well with all weights up to about 230 or less
800X scares me for some reason...
hmmmm? used a numbers of pounds of it for a while as my only powder I also did herco that way for a bit. Up to say 230gr or so I never had a problem but never used it in really cold temps. I guess with any of these faster shotgun style powder,,, respect for it would seem to be prudent as they can go up very fast with not much powder. RJM52 you likely have a point.. 800x can very accurate and fast plus it was cast friendly
Thanks for 800X idea. Ran out of Unique, but have a can of 800X I have never found a use for GW
I agree with you for Paco. Ed Matinus? a ballisticion for Winchester.use to be. said 800x was the single best powder for .41 and normal bullets. Now a days I normally shoot about 230 or so. Over 250 is usually that is in my .410GNR or maybe my Henry .41. If you need data I can suggest some -- then do as you choose.
Hello. Looking for some load data in .41 magnum with Rim Rock bullets 240 grain Keith LSWC-FB bullet with 2400 & Universal. I’d like to get 1,100-1,200 fps from my 4 5/8” Blackhawks (new & old models). Thanks.
Chris
I get good accuracy using the GT Bullets 240 Keith @ 1.675" OAL over 10.8 gr. of HS6 with Federal 155 mag primer for about 1150 fps in my 4-5/8" Blackhawk. Haven't tried Universal or 2400.
LOBO , A chronograph will tell you what you are wanting . If i was " in your shoes " I would start with 2400 . I believe 17.0 gra should get you there . Alliant lists with a 210 gr bulllet 19.0 grs of 2400 as a max load . I have used that 17.0 load with my own cast 240 gr swc with good results . I never used a magnum primer . Regards Paul
Yeah, what he said..............
Finally bought one of the few .41s I have had on the wish list for many years.. Taurus Titanium 2.5" with fixed sights...
Came complete with original box and paperwork...
Only had a chance to take it out once for a couple of cylinder full but with the Lee 165 Keith from a Group Buy here and 6.5 grains of Unique in a Special case it was very pleasant shooting...
More testing to come...Bob
Good post on hunting with .41s...
https://singleactions.proboards.com/...uate-distances
So anything new in .41 Land???
Took several of my 4" S&Ws to the range the other day and was reminded that with wood grips and "old" hands I need to keep bullet weight to less than 220 grains and 1100 fps... It may be time to go back to the Pachmayer Presentation grips that I used for so many years while in LE and carrying an N-frame. No issues at all with SAs as they roll..
Bob
Another powder that really performs well in the 41 magnum is SR 4756 . It's been discontinued for years , sad to say . I have over 10#'s so will be putting it to good use I understand that it gave stellar performance in the 38 super and 40 S&W as well . Another powder that I have a sizeable stock of is IMR 7625 . Again sadly discontinued years ago . It also has found great favor in revolver calibers for me , starting with 38 spl and stopping with 45 Colt . Regards Paul
Longshot is another very nice powder for the 210-215 gr. SWCs. Very accurate and shootable in the 1050-1100 fps range.
IMR SR-4756...the powder for .38-44 loads...
Were your loads in magnum brass or special?
I have an order of 220 cutting edge solids coming & Longshot is one of the Powders I plan to work some tests with. Actually going to give those bullets a go in special brass myself. Longshot is very new to me though, so starting right from scratch with it. Just curious what kind of charges you (or anyone) is using in their 41's with Longshot.
I've shot lead my whole life til this point, but started playing with a few jacketed bullets just so I've got data logged. I don't know what's going on abroad, but this winter tire shops here have been forced away from lead via govt "bs" in order to be more environmentally friendly ... I figure, should the day come that things turn completely like California, at least I'll have data ready to go on copper bullets.
I intend to settle on something in the 1100-1200fps range. See what happens.
All my loads are in magnum brass. If my powder charge is less than 50% of capacity I usually deep seat the bullets over the shoulder or the ogive, depending on the bullet.
Changing the nose to accept gas checks wouldn't hurt either.
I ended up not changing it just because it's old and some how bordering on sacred.
Maybe some member can help me out. Have been shooting and reloading .41 mag for about 10 years. Its my favorite caliber. Last week I came across 1000 pieces Of Starline .41 special brass at a LGS. Someone ordered it and never picked it up. I need a .41 special load using either W231(HP38) or Titegroup. The bullet I'm using is Missouri Bullets 215 grain Keith style SWC. I looked thru the posts a couldn't locate any using those powders. I'll say Thank You in advance!
I'm fairly new to this forum and haven't read all 62 pages yet on the 41 magnum. I was wondering if anybody knows why they quit using blue dot powder in the 41 magnum I shot it for years I believe my hot load was around 13 grains. a few years back I was in a sporting goods store and saw a sign that said do not use blue dot powder in a 41 magnum. I thought it was strange as I had been using it for over 20 years but I guess it just got too hot is what the factory told me so now I'm using 2400.
Pete... 6.0 of W231 will be 900-950 fps from a 4" barrel with a 215 LSWC...
Mike...what happened is that there was a bunch of published data out there that ended up over top end so the manufacturer just said any use of BD was potentially dangerous. It wasn't just .41 Magnum. Certain selected bullet weights in .357 and .44 Magnum were also targeted due to the same.
I think one of the problems was that back in the 1970s they changed the burning rate of BD making it just a little slower than Unique vs just a little slower than 2400 as it had been.. I had .41 loads that were just smokin' with the original formula and when I bought the next 8# can, which I just ran out of, all of a sudden I have VERY high pressure signs... This was before the internet and it took a while to find out why...
Was never able to get the same velocities with the new formula as the old and it took 30 years to burn up the rest of the can...
Bob
RJM52 Thank You very much for the info will try it out next weekend after I've had a chance to load a few.
Blue Dot loads in the 41 Magnum were originally tested using the old copper crusher analog system, and looked okay. When they were later retested using electronic pressure equipment they discovered some short duration, high pressure spikes during combustion, that the old system wasn't detecting.
Any of you guys try cutting edge solids in your 41specials? I've got some coming, they'll be my next project through my own special but curious to hear if anyone's already done some development using them.
Looking for 1100fps+ as a bush & backcountry load with their 210 solid. Don't see any reason that can't be done fairly easy.
Excuse me but the only Cutting Edge bullets in solid for a 41 CALIBER ARE THE 220 GR In a special you would be better off with a 180gr (JMHO) But if you go with the 220 gr not reqal sure you can get 1100 fps with a special since the copper projectiles are longer than lead since the weight difference. I have used the Barnes Load Data for the 180gr in the 41 mag but loaded minimum powder charges. Caution I used a Ruger Blackhawk old model that had been customized to a 41 special. In other words it would take the same pressures as a 41 mag. Remember again that a 220 gr copper bullet is quite long. You may hate me for saying this but you have some better options available than Longshot powder. I have nothing against Longshot. I use it for a few things
210 was a typo, fat finger mistake on my end.
That earlier post regarding longshot is just one powder I am going to try, Brian Pearce did some pressure testing in 44spl using the 240 and got just over 1000fps at reasonable pressures so I think a bit faster (1050??) might be attainable with a 220 in a 41. Longshot is just one on the table once the bullets get here though. I will be trying 2400 and VvN110 as well. Those I have no doubt at all that 1100+ will be reached fairly easy. Revolver I shoot through has the strength.
I checked some numbers with a dealer who handles CE bullets and the distance to crimp (at least according to the reps who answered me) is very similar to what I shoot in cast bullets. What I mean by that is the amount of bullet shank inside the case and its case capacity they're taking up are similar ... I am pretty sure the 220's will pan out for 1100. Cast 250's I shoot are over 1200, so 1100 solids 30gr lighter should be a realistic goal. I have 210 XTP's doing a little over 1000fps in extremely modest, very accurate loads.
Anyway. Doesn't seem anyone else has delved into the higher performance specials very much, so all good. I asked because ya never know. I'll post my-own results once I have them. Been charting uncharted waters over my loading bench a long time, 41spl has become a great favourite.
Brian Pearce in HANDLOADER #304 and 305 did an extensive article on the .41 Special...
He did two Cutting Edge bullets, the 135 and 180 at SMOKIN' velocities. All the Data is at LoadData.com under .41 Special...
Bob
Brian Pearce also did give some load data for the 220 solid He used AA#7 and 2400. You might be able to use quick load or extrapolate some other powders such as Vhitavouri N105 OR Enforcer.
Enforcer has given good results with the Barnes 180 gr in the Special. I have not tried the solids or any of the CEB in the 41 cal. My my they are some awesome looking bullets in the 500 caliber selection. It seems to me that these solids would be good for some south Texas Hogs. But a man can use them for whatever he wants or has available. I wish you the best luck on this. I will be interested in learning your results. Hopefully you can stretch the legs to at least 50yds.
CT