When you swage these does the rim of these 40 cal cases expand out to .451 or does it stay close to it's original size?
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When you swage these does the rim of these 40 cal cases expand out to .451 or does it stay close to it's original size?
It depends on how well you aneal, and how much pressure you apply. With a lot of pressure on soft brass, the extractor groove will almost disappear.
Well now I am just confused! Just got started casting and now Grampa has got me wired up about swaging. Read abunch on the sight sticky from BT swaging. Those a just beautiful pics Grampa and good explaining too.
Thanks, really got me interested in this now. Must save money.
CD
I have to laugh at that, it's GRUMPA by the way and not Grampa. This whole thing started because I knew there would be a day (kinda like now) that things are going to be hard to find let alone get and you could only get them if you yourself was the one that made it happen.
I like it for the simple reason that all one has to do is bend over and pick the stuff off the ground and with work make what you see in this thread.
YES!!!! By all means they are intended for the 1 step swaging die.
One die. Multiple steps. The one step is slightly deceiving. Ok, really deceiving. These are a lot of work but they are worth it.
Yes. But they piece of brass has few steps before that LAST step. Expand the piece of 9mm brass to except a cast lead core. Ok. Cast that core. Step 3. Seat the core. Step 4 notch the case. Step 5, place ready piece of brass in BT's "one" step die. So ya, a one (5), step die.
OK, if you cast a core slightly smaller than 9mm, simply install in the 9mm brass (anealled). The core is seated at the same time the jacket is formed. So 1 step, vs swaging a core, belling the mouth, seating a core, forming the point. Is the hollow point formed during the swaging process or when the boolit is ejected from the die?
thanks,
CC
the hollow point notches are scored after swaging the cores (it is an extra step), it is the step right before point forming... the hp notching die can be easily made at home with a triangular file if you want to redneck it or a 60 degree mill cutting tool if you have the tooling... the hp notching is not a mandatory step if all you are doing is punching holes in paper to practice...
Figure I would add these pictures of what these can do after you use them.
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What? You mean there's more to come? Woohoo!Quote:
I'll see about getting to my full potential.
HV
Ok, using these dies, I decided my previous way of making these bullets using only a 2 cavity mold was a pain in the rear. I wanted to see if I could get similar bullets, around 200 gns, with the Lee 6 cavity, 9mm 125 gn mould. Turns out, by just changing the length of the bullet I was able to get the desired bullet, about 205 gns.
First I had to determine the length of the 40S&W to use with the 125 gn core out of the lee. I found that by cutting the 40 down to .720 inches, I got the desired fill I was looking for. After that, everything else is the same that Grumpa does in the original post. I bond the cores and anneal the brass at the same time. Today, I did it with a torch, so when I tumbled my brass, you get the copper wash you see in the finished bullets. BTW, brass and lead will bond to each other without the use of a flux, so I don't use any. No point in risking damaging the dies.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/10/avaqajed.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/10/u7ubemut.jpg
These puppies weigh in at 205-207, which is more than adequate for my needs. Very cool!!
Here's a couple more pictures of what I got done with today. These weigh in at 258gr and they look better than store bought. Only reason these are heavier than what I normally do these are intended for a 45LC.
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Great looking bullets guys!
Swage on!
BT
Grumpa and Lizard those just look amazing. Can't wait to get myself a set of these.
Lizard, what do they look like if you don't trim the brass? I thought I remember seeing BT post a photo of the brass curled around into the HP cavity? Can't seem to locate it now.
Keep up the good work guys!
If you find the video please post a link. I have been looking for BT's video for some time now. I want to look into making 9s into 40 for 10mm.
Guys this look great. I would love to try a few before I pick up a set of dies. I am looking for a cheaper way to shoot my gap in 45.
Grumpa my walmart is around the same distance. I feel your pain. There is no Ill just run out and grab. You make the trip twice a month and make your list and check it twice. LOL
Lizard333 is right, the ones I make for 45 Long Colt I don't trim the cases on.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/atta...8&d=1393184574
The ones I make for the 45 ACP I trim down depending on the final weight I'm after.
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Here's the completed boolit.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/atta...5&d=1385674213
Thanks for the reply guys. Pretty amazing what you can do with these swage dies. Can't wait to get a set.
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This is the picture that shows the steps, where I'm loosing it is in #3. Grumpa and I have exchanged emails from the first part of this post, but Im still in the weeds about #3. Where did this punch come from and what die us holding it. GRUMPA said it helps in expanding the brass during his process, however where does the punch and die appear?
Confused,
Bill
This might help. The ROD goes into the die in the middle of this picture.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imag...1a71a46217.jpg
Simply unscrew the top part and insert the punch from the top, then screw back in the top part and screw the die assembly on the press and adjust the height.
EDIT: That 1 die in the middle has more than 1 function and that may confuse folks that don't have the die set right in front of them. That die is also used to core seat, and that uses the rod second from the end on the right. It's up to the user to use which ever punch they want.
Yeah I know what you mean, I never seen the look on a piece of paper either when a bullet goes through it, but I bet it isn't a pretty picture either. I just do it out of habit, why do something without going all out. And as you can tell I go all out to get the best I can do..
So what is the diameter of the core needed to make these? I want to make my own core mold because sometimes I use RCE jackets and if I use a upside down bullet there is not enough lead at the bottom and it results in pressure rings near the base but I am not sure of what diameter I should make the cavity.
I figure I could still use the same cores in spent .40 brass too.
Keep in mind I bond them to the jacket and I use a .358 core mould. So basically the cores I use get melted in the case the same time I anneal.
Basically, you want the core to fit in the jacket. I like my core to go all the way down to the bottom of the jacket, whether it is brass cases or commercial jackets. If it goes all the way down you know it will seat well and there should be no voids. The core mold I use drops cores at .335". These fit well in 40 cases and commercial jackets. Here is a picture of some cores I had cast from the adjustable core mold. You can see how they fit in the jackets.
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Im just curious on what they cost and how long it took you to receive them? I bought a set of the 22lr dies to .224 bullets and took about 14 months or so to receive them. back log sucked but his customer service is awesome. Ive got an over abundance of 40sw cases and haven't figured if I should cast and coat bullets for them or to turn them into bullets them selves.
As far as cost.....just get into the VS section of the site and go look. And depending on how busy he is determines what the wait time is, no two ways around that. And if I were you....I would figure which I would get the most use out of......the 45cal.......or the 40cal.
Or, as I and many others have done..... Just buy ALL of the tool sets.:swagemine:
Any of you guy's still doing this? I have a Corbin silver press & a 3 die set for 45 Acp, thinking of trying this with my dies.
Just might have a few questions along the way. I need to try to anneal some 40 cal case & try to remember how to use the Corbin press. It's been 20 years since I used it!
I'm new to this also. I have BTsnipers 9mm to 40 set with the btx crimp. I have on order his .22 to 224 dies and have his .22 pneumatic derim press. The 9mm to 40 set is a dream come true as after the initial costs, bullets from scrounged components are about 1 cent a piece maybe even less. My cousin and I both shoot 40 so the savings will be huge. Please keep this going as I know you guys are really helping out us new guys. Thanks
Found some 45 cal pics to add.....
https://i.imgur.com/VvnqFnxl.jpg
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Thanks to everyone for this amazing post. This kind of thing (and the giant pile of buckets of brass) are what drove me to decide to start casting.:awesome: