convection oven at kmart 44.00$
hi tek kit for 36$
What you skeeered of?
I ya dont want it sell it to me.
fumes on back porch are a non issue.
I got that 8 feet of wire mesh at home depot for 8$.
Want effect hp's.
Get to work.
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convection oven at kmart 44.00$
hi tek kit for 36$
What you skeeered of?
I ya dont want it sell it to me.
fumes on back porch are a non issue.
I got that 8 feet of wire mesh at home depot for 8$.
Want effect hp's.
Get to work.
convection oven at kmart 44.00$
Which oven is that? The cheapest one I see on Kmart's web site is $61.99.
Curious.
The lowest price I found online for KMart is
Hamilton Beach 31331 Convection Toaster Oven at $56.99
and this one
Hamilton Beach 31512 Convection 6 Slice Toaster Oven at $50.61
http://www.sears.com/hamilton-beach-...81201?prdNo=41
Lovelife.
I do all my coating and cooking in my shed. Virtually no fumes from the oven. The only fumes come from the acetone when you are tumble coating the bullets and the acetone flashes off. It only takes 15 to 25 seconds, so don't breath. :-) smelted, cast and coated 1000 45 bullets last night. second coat goes on tonight.
It is an addiction.
I am casting just to have something to coat.
Melting down coated bullets from range lead is no problem. the coating just sits on top of the melt with the other scrap and can be scooped off. it does not burn, smoke or melt. the coating is basically inert.
Mine was 99$ 31100 hamiltonbeach Bigger, not sure its needed, just doing one rack at a time , Dang!, i can do 1000 in no (how many do ya need) time. Iam not a match shooter, but i do shoot alot.
If i cook couple hours, i set my stuff on covered back deck. No fumes.
You showed a pic of the mixing stuff... but what are they? Can't really tell from the pic. Also, what do you use to bake? You said outside, I was thinking reg oven before you said that. And if you are at Ft Bragg... I have cold beer and would love instruction on this... Just did my first batch with allox and had to wash my dies and hands for a good 30 minutes before I didn't smell it anymore!
My first try
Used $25 Owen from Walmart
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...ko/null-10.jpg
Even survived "hammer test"
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...ko/null-11.jpg
Well done.
They look great.
Have you tired sizing them yet?
I found the microgroove bullets size easier than conventional groove bullets
Drew, come over to the shop.
mike@harleykitplane.com
LMAO,, I'll free ya from alox. piece of cake. I know where the oven is at kmart. Wire mesh 8 dollars at home depot. I have staple air gun. Wood 10$.
This stuffs great for those who do not want to cast boolits. Just buy bulk unsized,unlubed hard cast bullets from your favorite company at lower price,, then coat.. You can have the best boolits soon as UPS TRUCK pulls up with your cast boolits and beginner kit from bayoubullets.net
May be talking my self into a lil' of the above.
This is my kit 36$ plus fedex.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...psce916863.jpg
Heres around 1500, 9's & 45acp
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...psa3ee7809.jpg
Gunoil, I see a 1l for $68 but not the half liter $36 option on the website. Is that something I just need to email Donnie about?
I don't size mine. They drop out of the mold close to .356 and had little bit of leading when using Alox. With HITec stuff , I've put 80 rounds thru my CZ and cleaned the barrel with bore brush in 3 strokes. Love it.
NTD, yes just call him or email and pick your color. Ya may ask him about what ausglock is talking about, "extreme catilist".
Make sure you have a convection oven. A must according to the pros. 51$ to 106$ paid and out the door. I have that yard sell fan blowing on my dry rack.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...psf3182818.jpg
Hi Gunoil
You seem to be well set up. Well done.
The extreme catalyst is a recipe that is used instead of normal catalyst, and used same way and at same addition rate as normal catalyst.
It is used, or should be used, and can be used, in your same coatings, and applied as a very thin top coat over last coat, and over the finish coat you make with normal catalyst.
Once heat cured, the top coat using Extreme catalyst, becomes so slippery, as reported by Ausglock, that projectile slips out of your fingers.
It makes sizing down over sized projectiles a breeze. Ausglock said that he can reduce sizing pressure nearly by half.
The reason not much is advertised about this stuff is, that it is much more expensive than normal catalyst, and on most applications it is not required as normal catalyst/coating will do the work.
Donnie has stocks but in limited amounts.
Just ask him about it and see what he advises.
HI-TEK
Just mixed up a new brew of Supercoat.
I went for 5 parts Red/copper, 1 part Extreme Catalyst and 7 parts Acetone.
I was having issues getting coating to the crimp groove of the Lee 358 150gr RN. I just coated and cooked the first coat of this brew. I used a bit more mix in the bucket when coating and this allowed the extra brew to get to the crimp groove. First coat has cooked a honey brown colour. will apply and cook the second coat tomorrow.
This mix ratio might be good for normal catalyst as well. I'll try some with the blue/green coating.
some of today's effort.
Attachment 74808
this is with the 5,1,7, brew.
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Ausglock,
Those are gorgeous! I bet the typical bystander wouldn't know the difference between those and jacketed.
I am in the same mind set as r5r. Very interested but unwilling to jump in until I see more results. Let me explain:
From what I have read, it looks like this process (at least in the way it is being used by home casters) will do about 400-500/hr. Now that is "fast" if you are used to pan lubing or using a standard lubricator/sizer. I have a Star. So I can lube and size 800 bullets an hour with a small piece of equipment.
For 500 bullet batches (assuming oven will hold that many) Mix and apply first coat - 5 minutes, dry - 10 minutes, cook - 10 minutes, apply second coat - 5 minutes, dry - 10 minutes, cook - 10 minutes, size - 30 minutes. Total time = 80 minutes. 400/hr
By running multiple batches, you can do other operations during part of the drying/cooking - but the bottleneck is the oven - you need 40 minutes to do two batches coated twice. So, for two batches - mix and coating time 5 minutes (first batch only), drying time 10 minutes (first batch only), cooking time - 40 minutes, sizing time - 60 minutes. This yields 1000 bullets in about 115 minutes - 525/hr
So, this process is slower than a Star. In my case, I do not have a leading problem with pistol bullets, so what is the driver to change? If I am missing something, please educate me.
I would jump on this if it helped achieve better performance in rifle loads. Cost is of little concern and speed is of almost no concern. If it took 5 coats and I only produced 150 bullets per hour I would still be interested. BUT, that means pushing 2700 fps with accuracy.
This is not a criticism of Hy-Tek (or powder coating or pigglet coating) but an observation. Most of the work is being done with pistol bullets and I understand that. It is easier to work at 1000 fps or less, and more cast pistol bullets are used than rifle bullets. This process offers a significant increase in production over pan lubing or normal lubricators. Investment is low. I see it as a real "win" for a lot of bullet casters.
It is less (no??) interest for someone with a Star for producing pistol bullets. Again, if I am missing something - please let me know.
I'd buy an el-cheapo (full size) electric oven off of craigslist and do much more volume. That would kill the star argument and a used electric stove/oven can be bought for less than a star.
I had a star, hated it, went back to traditional lubesizers.
Does anybody on here want to send me a sample of these boolits already coated sized to either .452 (45 acp) or something for the 9mm or 38 special?
I'll pay for your time and shipping.
Alrite croc breath, quit showing off.
dverna.
Yesterday I produced 4500 9mm and 45 bullets.
Multi tasking is the key to higher production. My oven is similar in size to Gunoil's.
My trays are 12"x12" and I have 8 of them. 4 are for drying and 4 are for cooking.
When a cook is in, I have the other trays either drying or waiting for the oven. I am also sizing the finished bullets at the same time and using the hair dryer to "set" the coating just before entering the oven. when a cook comes out, it is left to cool while the next tray is cooking. when this tray comes out, the first tray is cool enough to re-coat and let dry.
It is harder to describe than do.
I will never go back to lubesizing.
The Lyman 450 and the RCBS LAM2 are now mothballed. I'm using the lube sticks to flux my melts.
dverna, easy to do a thousand, but I dont do one thing in the shop. I will coat some, run loadmaster or classic. I might be washing brass or casting while coating as i did today. Your barrel will prob be even cleaner. I have a eight hundred dollar magma star lubsizer coming very soon because i size supercoat. I have had blue lube MS boolits before but would use these anyday. I thought about cancelling my lube,heater. You can speed loadlubesizer but you still have lubed boolits and aggravation. I am planning motor on my MS with no lube. But not at first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXbLxgJnBnI
Dverna, it is hard to explain this stuff, 36 bucks plus fedex, come on!
Sometimes ya just want to cook on the covered deck with my angel roof.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9973c05a.jpg
"Ta" to you ausglock.
I did get to the range and got over 2,550 fps in my 30-06 with a 180 gr linotype gas checked boolit. Accuracy did start to fall off after about 2,450 fps. The bore is .3085" and I had sized these to .309" but I may size them larger and try it again. There was not even a hint of leading in the '06. The last load was 50grs of IMR 4350 and it was max for the 100 plus degree temperature when I was shooting. I had to soak my hankerchief with water and lay it on the barrel after 9 rounds otherwise it would not cool down in 15 minutes.
I also fired the Lee 160-312- boolit in my SKS with a .3135" bore. Boolits were sized to .314" and gas checked. I hit 1,950 fps average and 1.20" group for 5 shots at 50 yards with iron sights. No leading and bore was very clean. This is a very hot load with primers starting to flatten and case expanding and extra half thousandths.
My S&W 27-2 also got to play firing the Saeco 180gr RFN with and without GCs. The velocity was almost 1,200 fps without the GC, 1,150fps with the GC. Accuracy was better with the GC at about 1.5" at 25 yards. This gun has a small bore at .3565" and large cylinder throats with most .358" and one .359". The boolits were sized .358" and I did get some leading after firing one 6 shot group. I fired 4 groups with no leading with the rest. Don't know what to blame that on but probably not the coating. The lead was actually a ring that came came out on the patch so maybe the nose was cut by the forcing cone? The nose is full diameter just up from the crimp groove on this boolit.
Yep. and it shoots great. But the surprise was the Lee .358 105gr SWC. My mate cast and coated some of these and sized to .356. He fired them today in his SVI 9mm. bloody great little pill and accurate. 2 coats of HI-TEK blue/green.
I shot the SVI Racegun with 125gr coated pills at Major power factor 38 Supercomp shooting Steel Challenge. nice and clean and no fouling in the compensator.
Trev's right the little 105gr SWC are a great little pill. I put 200 through both my Spartan and SVI both came out squeeky clean. Both my coats were a little light on because I used a lot of acetone but as Trev said "bloody accurate" and no leading
Ausglock, everyone that reads the Internet knows you can't shoot lead through a comp gun. Ha ha just kidding! My suppressor gets here in a month or so, I can't wait to try 230 grain lees with it in my 300 blackout!
Is anyone using this coating for 22 cal boolits? Just wondering if it will hold up to 2700 -2800 fps.
Yes with gas checks. 3 coats. Yippee! cheap 223 projectiles.
So prickett, you going to coal fired bullets in stead of lube? Be careful, ya my see purple Roo's and yellow croc's. Other than that the coal fired supercoat is great.
prickett, ive shot a ton of 105 in sig 938 and db9. That mold wore out, i had a custom mold made to pick (makarov nose 111 gr and no lube grooves) up monday finally. I had bought 135 gr rnf from Al @ NOE. Its great.
The Lee 120Con cast at 122gr with 50/50 Lino/Pure lead. 16 BHN (Tested).
I realy wish Lee would add more bullet designs to their list. I want a 6 cavity 168gr RN .357 with no lube groove. A 135gr RN .357 and a 145gr RN in .358 and a 45 230gr RN (like the lyman 452374). I wonder if they realize that we are now in the 21st century and bullet designs and needs have changed.
HI-TEK was saying that he is working on a new Black coating. I really like black bullets in nickel cases. They look sweet. He also said that Bayou Bullets has a small supply of his 500 super mold release agent. This stuff is fantastic. If you want some, you better be quick.
Roo breath, l@@kee here!
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01274440.mp4
9mm coal fired boolits. Red-copper hi-tek supercoat from the land downunder, wizard of OZ.
Send that pretty witch over here, and keep the dog and them Munskins a while.
Hopefully I'll be trying out some of these coated bullets soon. From everything I have read they are exactly what people say they are. A great product!! Once I try out the bullets I will order some of the coating. Once I get it nailed down I will be selling off my lubesizers and getting some lee push through dies!!
From what I have read though, you still need to match the alloy to the application in the higher speed/pressure cartridges. I bet straight Lino or 50/50 Lino/Pure would be the bee's knees for my old 8X57.
Check this out, upside down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOkb3RxrZE
I already turned my RCBS upside down. MUCH BETTER WITH NOSE DOWN DROPS, THEY FALL RIGHT IN! Trying to figure out how to hook mrbulletfeeder.net to it. Just the drop die. I have MBF drop die. A MBF whole unit is 500 bucks but die could drop one at a time with lever action.
Yep. I have a Lee C press mounted upside down. really easy to feed them in.
I hook a bucket over the die to catch them in.