The heck with the molds, more humor! I got tears in my eyes. That was great. :lol: :lol:
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The heck with the molds, more humor! I got tears in my eyes. That was great. :lol: :lol:
Oops, Sorry Carpetman. My LYMAZ ingot mould makes four ONE lb. ingots. Guess I was using Nevada casino odds! curmudgeon
NVCurmudgeon---Bill,thanks for the clarification,I was terribly confused but didnt want to dare open my mouth and say so. Now this is real technical. How thick you pour your ingots has a direct relation on how much they weigh. Thicker ingots tend to weigh more. This is strictly an empirical observation. I'm sure someone has done scientific testing to prove my theory wrong and who knows possibly even confirm it? If wrong,we'll hear about it and if proven correct,it will probably slide on by. That's how these boards work. Anyways pour some thick ingots and 4 will be 10 pounds. How thick you might ask? Well thick enough that they weigh 2.5 lbs each. Call them magnum ingots.(You don't have to have a magnum gun to shoot them though).
Ray, Usually I pour my ingots only thick enough to not slop over into the next compartment. I did pour a thicker ingot once, right up to the top of the mould. What I got was only one really wide ingot. but it was too big to go into the pot. IIRC it weighed 6.3784 lb. I turned it upside down and now use it for a file folder holder. It only holds three files, but it save the cost of a filing cabinet. Three files are plenty, they are neatly labeled A-M, N-Z, and starts with numbers. Bill
NVCurmudgeon--Bill thanks for the information that the full ingot weighs 6.3784 pounds. I certainly would have guessed they weighed in at atleast 6.3785 but that shows what I know. I was thinking my 10 pound pot was about empty when I poured 4 thick ones---maybe I didnt have the pot full?By thick,I don't mean one solid piece. Thick enough to have fins maybe. Except for use as a paperweight,you'd ruin your alloy making them one solid piece. I never weighed ingots. But your weighing them out to 4 decimal points might answer a question I have. As you know there are 7,000 grains in a pound. That figure is based on the weight of an average sized grain of wheat. I have always wondered who counted them. Was that you?
Well it could be also that you are casting ingots in lead that is mostly culled boolits, the culls usually have grease grooves, if you do not flux several times the grease grooves remain in the melt and make the ingots lighter.
Bill
Carpetman, Ray I volunteered for the job but could only count to nineteen grains because twenty grains makes a scruple. As you know, I am completely without scruples. I even plunder tireshop parking lots at night for wheelweights. Bill
NVCrumudgeon--Bill, I had high hopes that you did in fact discover that there were 7,000 wheat grains in a pound. Why did I hope that you might ask? Pause-----while Bill asks. Well for a couple of reasons. One would be that I know two celebrities. You and Felix. The other would be that I could have saved you some time. Well ok,I couldn't have as you already know what I'm about to tell you,but it would possibly answer a couple questions I have. If you get the computer program that tells you how many charges of a certain weight you get out of a pound of powder, you can also determine there are 437.5 grains to the ounce. You knew this. But the person that discovered the 7,000 per pound didn't, as how many in a pound wasnt yet known. But you could have stopped at 1 oz and multiplied by 16(with the help of the mentioned computer program). (You couldn't have stopped at a srupple as you have none--but thats another post and you already made it). So now to my question. First how would you precisely cut a grain of wheat in half?(to get 437.5 per oz) Now the real question--what kind of scales do you have that will measure an ingot to four decimal places????
Willbird---Yes indeed the grease grooves can make the ingots lighter if you don't flux them out. Reverse of the carriage dimple making them heavier. I just know NVCurmudgeon could get his weight up to 6.3785 or more if he fluxed out the grease grooves.
As always, Carpetman misses an important point, that can throw off all other calculations.
If hollow point bullets, or bullets from metric calibers are being melted, all bets are offf on getting a full 10 pounds. With the metric rounds, you would have to figure by decimal AND imperial measure, divide by two, and hope you didn't forget to carry the one. Then you still won't know how much it weighs.
That's right, Waksupi, especially if any of the mix were recycled HP boolits of even worse, lead pipe. Those holes would have to rendered before pouring off into ingots. If not there's no telling how those voids would affect the over all weight. It's kinda like those loads of wha appear to be pipe going down the highway on trailers. What you see is actually the packaging and it's those instant post holes that are the real commodity. Takes all the need for digging out of the picture when putting up a corral -- the larger ones would be good for a pole barn. Just get a load of post holes, remove the steel or plastic wrapper, install, and there ya go! Premanufactured post holes, what will they think of next? sundog
Carpetman, I'm a bit confused on the 7000 grain thing. I counted them out in red wheat, white wheat, soft wheat, hard wheat and in several varieties of each. EVERY SINGLE one was different. You are going to have to be more specific as to grain size. :?:
I don't have any of the 6th century varieties to check or was that 7th?
Gus
http://www.24carat.co.uk/weightsframe.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by carpetman
Grain
Although we have stated above that the grain weighted the same in all three of the above systems, there were at least two different grains. The troy system used the supposed weight of the barley grain, whereas the wheat grain was also used as a standard of weight. There were three barley grains to four wheat grains.
http://www.sizes.com/library/Britain/ponderibus.htm
“By Consent of the whole Realm the King's Measure was made, so that an English Penny, which is called the Sterling, round without clipping, shall weigh Thirty-two Grains of Wheat1 dry in the midst of the Ear; Twenty-pence make an Ounce; and Twelve Ounces make a Pound and Eight Pounds make a Gallon of Wine2; and Eight Gallons of Wine make a Bushel of London; which is the Eighth Part of a Quarter…
…“Six times Twenty Stone, that is fifteen hundred Pound, make a Load of Lead, to wit the great Load of London, but the Load of the Peak is much lessâ€
…†The Load of Lead doth consist of Thirty Formels4, and every Formel containeth Six Stone, except Two Pound; and every Stone doth consist of Twelve Pound, and every Pound consisteth of the Weight of 25 Shillings,5 whereby the Sum in the Formel is Seventy Pound. But the Sum of the Stones in the Load is Eight Times Twenty and Fifteen, and it is proved by Six Times Thirty which is Nine Times Twenty. But of every Formel there are abated Two Pound in the foresaid Multiplication, which are Sixty, which make Five Stone. And so there are in the Load Eight Times Twenty and Fifteen as is aforesaid.â€
Wills, as one who suffers from numerical dyslexia, may I thank you for putting a final finish to my confusion and innocence,sinking me thoroughly into a morass of misunderstanding, in the matter of numbers. My mind is now totally numb.
Sundog--Those pre packaged post holes are pricey. I get old abandoned wells and chop them up to make mine. Most people will just give you an old unused well,some will want you to fill in the hole. More work but still cheaper than buying the pre packaged.
wills, Now you've done it, brought ye olde english lawyerspeak in. I had enough trouble understanding Carpetman.
Carpetman,the only scale that I have that will weigh high enough is the bathroom scale. I arrive at precise weights by interpolating how much of the space between two pound marks the needle has swung past. Being very young and sharp-eyed making out the exact weight to the fourth deceimal place is easy. curmudgeon
Man, am I glad to hear that someone else uses the bathroom scale for precise measurements! :)
My brother was asking how he could measure some of the boolits from his moulds. I had not thought of using this commonly found instrument. What a relief!
I'll try it with 10 of them in each hand. That should balance the load and give a representative reading. :)
Thanks guys!! :D
Some people are very frugal, using the bathroom scale to weigh powder charges is very very accurate as long as you throw 100 lbs of them and then divide by the number of charges, when working up a load you can always weigh the powder on both neighbors on each side scales too to cross check accuracy.
for measuring boolit diameter if you cannot afford a micrometer I have found that marking a 2x4 with a razor sharp crayon to work for me, you simply borrow a friends mike and use it to calibrate the 2x4, there are correction factors involved for temperature and humidity, many of these can be shortcut by simply weighing the lumber and building a sliding scale for weight. also you can easily increase the accuracy if you index mark the boolit and roll it down the board say 10-100 times and then do the math, this is in fact the only way I know to get boolit dia down to the .00001" If you do it that way the common tape measure can be used for calibration. for proper accuracy of course start with the 1" mark and measure from there so the slop in the little hook on the end of the tape doesnt throw you off, you could end up shooting 44 boolits in your 32 if your not good at math :-) but at least they will not EVER exibit gas cutting.
For some unknown reason I have a long fence that ends by making a turn and going a short distance to no purpose. I am digging out the posts and will then extend the fence on the correct line. I am removing five post holes and will need only one to complete my project. Clearly, there will be a surplus of four post holes that are available free to whoever would like to have them. These are valuable Nevada post holes and should be stored in a post hole cache. You can make your own post hole caches by using a clamshell type cache digger, available at any hardware store. To thwart desperate post hole thieves, I suggest that you make your caches two to four feet deep, depending on soil density in your area. For extra security, pour a foot of concrete into the caches before filling with the dirt of your choice. Winner of this giveaway must pay a shipping charge of $0.37. curmudgeon
curmudgeon, I am trying to build a deer fence around a new orchard and hit solid rock. Will your post holes go into rock?? I only need a couple. The price is right if they'll work in rock. A lot cheaper'n a pick and pry bar. :roll:
Gus