I was shooting the final MML version that 90F+ day at 2,400 fps out of my 35. No issues there.
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I was shooting the final MML version that 90F+ day at 2,400 fps out of my 35. No issues there.
That explains a lot. Apparently I've done Mike a disservice by hot-testing the wrong lube. What I was using was a previous iteration, back when. It sucked badly in the heat but did great in the cold. IIRC there was no beeswax in it, just 430, paraffin, and cheap caramel grease.
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....no biggie.....**** happens and it is darn hard to keep up with each others iterations and such. If it were not for a couple 3 ring binders and color coded lubes/targets I would have lost tract long ago...it got "busy" there for a bit.
Now I have only chocolate brown MML (no dyes added) and SPG(ish) yellow colored SATANS lube(no dyes added) in reserve for the rifles/HV SSP's for quite some time. I also have a hodgepod of technicolor "not quite right" lubes to make into a homogenized pistol lube that will likely be blue"ish"green just by guessing the ratio's of colors.
You should have seen the amber colored version that was only Micro 430 and grease with no other ingredients......wooo boy what a mess, but it shot awesome as long as it was cold enough to freeze water. You could almost dip lube with it at 85-90 degrees.
Was the stuff you tested orange/reddish orange in color by chance?
It looked like really watered-down Coke. I liked it except it slumped and bled everywhere in warm weather. Made for some simply awesome purge-flyer groups at 100+ degrees, too. I wanted to soap the bejezus out of it to make it stand the heat, but I got goo-goo eyes over some bright-orange stuff that shot like nothing else and abandoned the MML project at the time. Looking back, I realize I never have tried the latest, greatest MML and should rectify that soon. I HAVE worked with Satan's lube off and on since last spring when you mentioned it and aside from not liking the lousy new Vaseline it's pretty good stuff, too.
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Ok Mike! what is my green MML made from? It gets soft at higher temps but doesn't go liquid on me. I bought it from you a few years back, maybe in 2010?
You DO have records, don't you?:Fire:
If it is forest green it is
2.5lb Beeswax
1 tube grease
1lb of Micro 430
If it is Mint Green it is
2lb beeswax
1 tube grease
1.5 lb Micro430
None of the greens have paraffin in them....you are about 3-4 gens ago with the greens.
You both have OLD versions try the new one posted a few posts above. The paraffin was a good/fairly recent addition if my notes stayed in chronological order...a date on all the notes would have been a STELLAR idea huh. The DARK BLOOD RED and Chocolate Brown samples I have sent to a few others in the past year or so have met with better acceptance....even those living closer to the gates of Haites.
Mine is forest green.
Is it covered under warranty? Did I miss a recall notice?
MML is the Apple of the lube world. A new generation every 6 months and the old versions get no customer support. Sigh
actually YES...if you are unhappy I will send you THE RIGHT STUFF (pretty sure you can follow the recipe though) ....honestly I do not remember ever "selling" any....I have sent alot of iterations to different people milking them of their thoughts on it, but I do not remeber selling any....the stuff I will shoot the rest my life is Ugly brown and if I was not married to the MML moniker I would have called it HOT CHO-CO-LATE :mrgreen:
I posted the recipe for MML in the lube recipe thread on 9-16-2009 so I have been pretty sure of it since about 8 months before then.... or I would not have posted it....I am kinda funny that way.
Was I mad at you when I sent you the green? NEENER :lol:
I sometimes do evil things when I am pissy :lol: ya never know.
I did buy some, honest. I think I paid 60 bucks for what must be 5 pounds of lube. I have enough to lube more bullets than I could shoot in 5 years or more. Heck Mike, you even found my phone number and called to tell me it was shipped, you were having computer issues or something.
It gets a slight bit softer in heat than I like but it works well in all other conditions.
I need to order some microwax and get to work.
up to you, but you know what you have now and you know what the final recipe is...fix it or send me your digits....up to you. I think I need to get my grey matter checked by an IT guy ,but the warrantee for that has expired too. That was about the time I was going through some not so good stuff in a former job where I tried to play in Korporate AmeriKa before I realized I did not fit in so well with conference calls and such....who knows????? :confused:
I will keep it, it works. I gave some to my father in law, he was happy with it.
I can easily modify it if I decide I need to. I will try a bit of soap just to see what happens.
That lube was what got me started looking at better performance. I found it so much better in cold than CR and that opened my eyes.
Face it Mike, it is somewhat your fault that I wear this damn hat! Thank you, honestly, it opened my eyes to what can be.
your welcome...I guess...I do find the hat stylish.......you see sometimes lightly bickering with a royal PIA is a good thing........... Now if I could just get that Gibson fella to change some of his terminology for his very correct ideas/theology. :mrgreen: my job here would be complete. :lol:
Ummm, good luck. Why not take an easier challenge and convince him that Lyman makes a few undersized moulds......
The bickering helps once the dust settles. I think sometimes it is a matter of vocabulary. We don't have really good ways to describe some odd mixtures and what you are saying may not be what we are thinking it is. Heck, throw in the "runsims" with "mikisms" and it is a miracle we understand anything at all.
I'm just glad we are past all that garbage.
And sarcasm comes across as just being a jerk.
I really want a sarcasm font.
Looking at the various MML recipes I notice you increased the wax content. What I have is 3.5 pound saw ax per tube of grease, the final version is 4.5 pounds of wax for one tube.
How much difference does that alone make? Even if the waxes weren't changed I have to believe the extra wax makes for a dryer mix at higher temps, not near as much grease and or oil to bleed out.
....all the difference in the world....taken to either extreme and things go awry.
What really irks me is that I started with lithi-bee and then tweaked it with some immediate success, but instead of immediately doing the final tweaking on what almost worked I had to take the looooooooooooooooong way round....must be it was meant to be that way I spose....OR maybe my psyche/genetic predisposition is setup to make things difficult. Something I do not blame my Mommy for btw..................I blame my Daddy :lol:...several here have met him and would back me up on that I bet. :mrgreen: