Originally Posted by
Larry Gibson
Bret
"Bob, with all due respect, isn't helping each other out what this place is all about? If we follow your line of reasoning on this then no information would be shared here, or we'd make cryptic remarks like, "...when you find out about proper diameter/alloy/lube/pressure, you'll be on the road to enlightenment...". That says nothing. People HAVE asked questions. People have tried various things and many have done a great deal of work on this particular rifle/cartridge combo and still find themselves stuck at 17-1800 FPS. IMO the "unruly spoiled child" is the guy who turns every post into an insulting tirade of, "Ha ha, I know a secret and you don't cause you're stoopit". And yet you can't understand why folks get po'd at you when you look down your nose at us. If you can truly take a Swede and get bragging size groups at something north of 2K that's fantastic! Good on you! Show us the witnessed groups. Share the info. Why turn it into a "Sorcerers Apprentice" thing? And if you're intent on NOT sharing the info, then why toss it up in our faces? Makes no sense to me."
I'm in agreement with you on this matter. I see from the latter posts from starmetal and 45 2.1 that we are still on a hunt for the "National Treasure"! I have reread starmetal's post several times and believe I've deciphered it. I will experiment with it in my next tests with the 6.5 Swede. If it works I will put it into plain English here for all to read "in the spirit of open exchange of information. Perhaps I do contradict myself to some. However I always know what I am talking about;-) Getting the point across is sometimes difficult, especially when you are just responding to a post and not taking time to write it out, edit for context, etc. Also I have learned a lot since I seriously began the tests of the RPM threshold. My observations of alloys to use, GCs and lubes for instance has changed. I also have refined and narrowed my concept of the design of the bullet to use for HV cast bullets. Thus my current statements of what occurs and what takes place do indeed contradict some of the statements I made when this all started a couple years (actually several years back) ago.
I have learned and refined the concept of the RPM threshold. That all came about from the thorough testing I have completed. The RPM threshold is indeed there and it is alive and well as all cast bullet shooters continually find out. It can be pushed as I have always said and a few chose to do the work necessary to push the RPM threshold.
I disagree with 45 2.1 that my techniques do not lead to success. These same techniques have led to success in several other cartridges. I have posted results of my successes at pushing the RPM threshold numerous times. 45 2.1 continues to ignore that success. Even the success with my "ill fitting" 311291 out of the '06 during the testing that Bass and I did. 45 2.1 does contradict himself quite often. Starmetal, in this thread, has contradicted 45 2.1 also. He states the secret to success is not cartridge or barrel specific but applies to all. Thus if my techniques work with the '06, .308W, 7x57 and 8x57 why won't they work with the 6.5?............yes I know,........it's a "secret"!
Larry Gibson