hollow point

The ballistic are better with a round nose than one with a large meplat I guess every body will agree on that one.
the bullet with large meplat is better for hunting than the round nose again I quess you will agree with that also.
but if I have the round nose hollow pointed it will be better for hunting at long range than the large meplat one since the round nose is better in ballistic shape than the meplat one and will expand at long range better than the large meplat
your opinion please..
thank Canuck

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Originally Posted by canuck4570

The ballistic are better with a round nose than one with a large meplat I guess every body will agree on that one.
the bullet with large meplat is better for hunting than the round nose again I quess you will agree with that also.
but if I have the round nose hollow pointed it will be better for hunting at long range than the large meplat one since the round nose is better in ballistic shape than the meplat one and will expand at long range better than the large meplat
your opinion please..
thank Canuck

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Depends on the caliber, boolit weight and a bunch of other things.
Actually the large meplat at long range is not as bad as you think. Only a little more drop.
If your round nose is hard and does not expand, hollow pointing it can just make it break apart. A soft hollow point boolit will expand too fast and stop penetration. There is no easy answer and all sizes of game need something different.
Same thing happens when a guy shoots water jugs and recovers a nice mushroom so he figures it will be ideal for hunting---it is just not so, it can fail too.

i fully agree with jim..
you need to take initial diameter and weight into your very first consideration.

my.41 keith hp works fine-- but I had deer in mind-- for me no more than 80 yards or--most ww will expand some at rifle range what ever that is btw so does my LWNGC and it does need to expand//so take your choice

http://www.pauljonesmoulds.com/45016.jpgI have 2 bullet they both shoot good
one is a Paul Jones mold 575 gr. with a .300 meplat
the other is a saeco 500 round nose
I will be shooting these no faster than 1100 fps
so this is the reason I want a hollow point for expansion
I have checked the ballistic on JBM and you are right in saying there is not much difference in drop
guess I will thake the 575 gr. for its energy
thank you for the help

Hollowpoints are less effective on animals that are mean, hairy and dangerous. Hollow points don't penetrate as deep on animals like bears with extra thick and matted hair. A solid bullet with a flat meplat are better for animals like that. Hollow points are great for thin skinned animals like deer and people.
I've not hunted or been with hunters when hunting Elk, rams, sheep or any african type game, so I can't comment on the effects of HP's on those animals. . I've see hollowpoints work well, and also fail on animals.
Ohio Rusty ><>

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Originally Posted by canuck4570

http://www.pauljonesmoulds.com/45016.jpgI have 2 bullet they both shoot good
one is a Paul Jones mold 575 gr. with a .300 meplat
the other is a saeco 500 round nose
I will be shooting these no faster than 1100 fps
so this is the reason I want a hollow point for expansion
I have checked the ballistic on JBM and you are right in saying there is not much difference in drop
guess I will thake the 575 gr. for its energy
thank you for the help

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Well, it looks like a 45-70 or a .450 so I would just use a 20 to 1 lead, tin mix or add some WW's to pure. At 1100 fps with that weight, there is almost nothing that will stop it, so just let it expand.

btw that is an excellent looking cast there.
if i had to put money on it i would say 20-1 already and a ladle.

20-1 mix advice taken
by experience would pure lead do some leading at 1100 fps
reason for asking is that I have a good reserve of it

I think the ideal LHP for handgun hunting anyway, would be a heavy for caliber RN profile w/ a shallow cup type point. Cast soft enough to deform some, 20-1 or 25-1, & still heave enough weight to insure deep or complete broadside penetration on animlas upto elk size.

this my point
I don't shoot beyond 1100 fps an rely on bullet weight
this bullet is so long that even with a hollow point 1/4 hinch deep the rest of the bullet is still long like a 500 gr...
guess I will have to hollow point them with a drill and see how they perform
in sand I know this is not a good testing medium but no hollow point they expand to a inche in diameter leaving a good portion 2/3 approximately to drive in for penetration

Lead (pure) and non hollowpointed will be on the edge of expansing at those velocities (1100 fps). Usually 1200 fps. is considered more the reliable velocity for this. This is with solid point designs. Hollow points do expand reliably at maybe even 1000 fps. Which same velocity you will only have downrange. I like your idea about a wide shallow hollowpoint on those long boolits.

yes I think so also
but when I will have the mold hollow pointed I will ask for different tip even one that bring the mold back with no hollow point
I see with all the discussions wee are getting somewhere
thanks...

When I initially thought you might be talking handgun, I was going to warn you of velocity loss at long range causing a HP to be less effective, unless made from REALLY soft alloy, but then I saw you were aiming for 1100 out of a 45-70 (most likely). Those longer/heavier boolits retain their velocity well, so now I'm not so sure - HP may still expand from a reasonably soft alloy...

All in all, I'm inclined to go with 44Man on this one. Choose the flat-point, cast medium (WWs or WWs/pure mix) hard, and not worry about the HP...

http://www.pauljonesmoulds.com/45016.jpg

yes I am shooting a 450 marlin
seriously thinking of shooting pure lead
because I don't shoot over 1100 fps
the bullet above is a Paul Jones mold
that cast 575 gr bullet
I just started a knew thread asking if pure lead will stand between 1050 to 1100 fps

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Originally Posted by canuck4570

http://www.pauljonesmoulds.com/45016.jpg

yes I am shooting a 450 marlin
seriously thinking of shooting pure lead
because I don't shoot over 1100 fps
the bullet above is a Paul Jones mold
that cast 575 gr bullet
I just started a knew thread asking if pure lead will stand between 1050 to 1100 fps

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Canuck, does that boolit feed thru your Marlin Lever action or are you shooting it in a single shot rifle?
thx.

I shoot it in my ruger no 1 4570