Help identify old shotgun.

This old single shot shotgun was sold through Simmons Hardware Co. way back when. I’m trying to determine if it’s a Stevens or what and if it has any collector value. If no collector value then I have a project in mind for it. If I end up using it for my project it would be nice to now how strong the action is.

And yes, it’s a 12 ga.

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Removable hinge pin
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I suspect the KK stood for Keen Kutter, Simmons house brand, I believe. Hope this helps.

The breech face is scary and says "wall hanger" to me. I don't think it's a Stevens.

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I think most of those old inexpensive shotguns had actions made of cast iron so I would second Texas's advice.

That's one ugly breech plate...If you're going to make it into a project gun, it better be a very low pressure project. Hang it on a wall over the fireplace...it looks nice...but its in no condition to be fired as is.

redhawk

https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/vie...p?f=5&t=293410

I have an old H & R 44 shotshell that has a very similar profile. But I imagine there's a number of shotguns from the same era that have a similar profile.

Yes, the breach face is an obvious issue. If you look carefully you’ll notice it’s broken out from the inside. Probably from being dry-fired too many times. It’s repairable.

I seen a very similar shotgun identified as a Stevens Model 93. Did the Stevens 93 have a removable hinge pin?

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https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-man...s-sav/93-sav-2

Remember that action is cast iron and not strong at all. I would not recommend shooting it with anything but the lightest loads. Not to be made into any kind of modern rifle.

If you plan on making it into a rifle, think breach bolt thrust. A 12 gauge has about 5,000 pounds of thrust on the breach which is very close to a 45-70. These old actions will hold with many of the old BP cartridges. The breach face can be repaired and at the same time go with a smaller firing pin diameter. Problem is it may cost more to make the repairs than what it would be worth. Another option is to make it into a muzzle loader using 209 primers.

John Taylor,
Thanks for the comment.

Bolt thrust is the critical issue and my calculation came to the same conclusion as yours so I was thinking more in the line of hand gun cartridge carbine.

I have a friend who is a professional TIG welder that can do a good job on breach face for next to nothing and I can do the rest. The value isn’t in making the gun usable again only but the experience gained in the process on my part is worth at least as much.

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John Taylor,
Thanks for the comment.

Bolt thrust is the critical issue and my calculation came to the same conclusion as yours so I was thinking more in the line of hand gun cartridge carbine.

I have a friend who is a professional TIG welder that can do a good job on breach face for next to nothing and I can do the rest. The value isn’t in making the gun usable again only but the experience gained in the process on my part is worth at least as much.

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Welding is not a good idea, it will be as hard as glass. Best to drill it out and make a threaded insert or solder an insert in. A small shoulder will keep it from moving. I have made many of the smaller 410 actions into bunny guns chambered for the 32S&W. Working on one now that is going to use 28 gauge brass for a 58 cal. rifle.

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Welding is not a good idea, it will be as hard as glass. Best to drill it out and make a threaded insert or solder an insert in.

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Roger that!
Thank you again!

24 gauge would be a better fit for a .58 rifle. 28 gauge would be good for a .54.