I just stumbled across and old (1938) Winchester 70 Target that was a 30 Govt. 06 and is now a 30-06 PMVF. It just looks similar to an Ackley improved. It chambers and fires a 30-06 and the result is a nice fire formed PMVF piece of brass. Am I missing something or can I just load some light red/blue dot loads, fire form a bunch of brass and hopefully be able to just neck size or maybe not even do that for cast shooting (thumb seat). Have not seen any dies available so the chamber has to be the die or the rifle has to be a wall hanger..