35 Remington Pressure tests

35 Remington Pressure Tested Loads

Test rifle is a M91 Mauser rebarreled with a 26” Shilen sporter barrel with a 14” twist as sold prethreaded and 35 Remington short chambered for SR Mauser actions by Brownell's. I finish reamed the chamber with a chamber reamer I had made to minimum SAAMI specification and headspace was set at minimum. The M91 is still in cut down military stok. Sight are a Lyman SME receiver sight with an M14 front sight.

Pressure and velocity were tested with an Oehler M43 PBL. Cartridges were loaded with RCBS dies. The case mouths were mildly crimped in the canalure and crimp grooves on the rifles.

The SAAMI MAP for the 35 Remington is 33,500 psi in deference to the older recoil operated semi automatic rifles for which the cartridge was first developed. I many single shots, the marlin 336 lever actions and bolt actions the pressure can be raised increasing the efficiency of the 35 Remington considerably. The Marlin 336 while chambered in 35 Remington has been mostly chambered in 30-30. Thus with the M336 being made to handle the 30-30 SAAMI MAP of 42,000 psi I see no reason why 35 Remington cartridges can not be loaded to that level for the M336 Marlin lever action rifles.

I used 2 different loads for “reference ammunition”. The first was a specific lot of Federal factory PowerShok loaded with 200 gr RNSPs. The Federal technician wouldn't give the specific pressure tested data for that lot but advised it was just under the MPSM (35,500 psi) for the cartridge. The second was a Lyman max load listed using H4895 powder in their 50th Edition Manual which listed a psi of 32,400 psi. I replicated that load all except for the bullet. I did not have any Hornady 200 gr FTX but used 200 gr Remington CorLoks. The FTX is seated much deeper into the relative small 35 Remington case with Lyman showing it as a compressed load. The Remington bullet seates to the base of the neck leaving airspace between the powder and the bullet. Thus, I expected the psi of the “reference” test load to be a bit less than the listed Lyman load.

All tests are 10 shot tests. The M43 PBL converts the velocity to the muzzle [remember this is from a 26” barrel].

Test data of the two “reference” loads;

Federal Factory 200 gr PowerShok

Federal F-C cases
Federal 210 primers
38 gr ball type powder
OAL; 2.471”
Velocity; 2286 fps
SD/ES fps; 19/53
PSI (M43); 35,200 (just under the MPSM)
SD/ES psi; 1,000/2,900


Lyman 50th Edition Handbook replication test load

R-P cases
Rem 9 ½ Primers
36.0 gr H4895
OAL; 2.522”
Velocity; 2065 fps
SD/ES fps; 39/100
PSI (M43); 30,000 (less with the shorter seating depth of the Remington 200 gr bullet)
SD/ES psi; 1,800/5,300

Remington 180 gr FPJ bullet w/LeveRevolution

Win Super cases
CCI 200 primers
45.0 gr LeveRevolution [100% load density]
OAL; 2.457”
Velocity; 2407 fps
SD/ES fps; 16/57
PSI (M43); 32,100 (just under the MPSM)
SD/ES psi; 1,200/3,600

Remington 200 gr RNSP bullet w/LeveRevolution

Win Super cases
CCI 200 primers
42.0 gr LeveRevolution
OAL; 2.457”
Velocity; 2249 fps
SD/ES fps; 31/109
PSI (M43); 30,900
SD/ES psi; 1,200/3,600

Remington 200 gr RNSP bullet w/LeveRevolution

Win Super cases
CCI 200 primers
45.0 gr LeveRevolution [100% load density]
OAL; 2.457”
Velocity; 2425 fps
SD/ES fps; 16/41
PSI (M43); 36,300
SD/ES psi; 1,200/4,300

RCBS 35-200-FN cast of COWW + 2% tin, Hornady GCs, 2500+ lube, sized at .360

R-P Cases
WLR Primers
37 gr IMR4895
OAL; 2.425”
Velocity; 2162 fps
SD/ES fps; 50/140
PSI (M43); 41,100
SD/ES psi; 2,400/6,800


RCBS 35-200-FN cast of COWW + 2% tin, Hornady GCs, 2500+ lube, sized at .360

Win Super Cases
CCI 200 Primers
45 gr LeveRevolution
OAL; 2.427”
Velocity; 2384 fps
SD/ES fps; 28/85
PSI (M43); 37,900
SD/ES psi; 2,000/5,900


NOE 35 XCB 230 gr cast of COWW + 2% tin, Hornady GCs, 2500+ lube, sized at .360

Win Super Cases
WLR Primers
42 gr LeveRevolution
OAL; 2.453”
Velocity; 2314 fps
SD/ES fps; 18/59
PSI (M43); 41,800
SD/ES psi; 1,100/3,400

The use of LeveRevolution powder in the 35 Remington cartridge certainly boost the performance quite a bit. None of the reloads tested exceeded the SAAMI MAP for the 30-30 and, thus, they should be usable in Marlin 336 rifles, SS actions and bolt action rifles. chambered in 35 Remington.

Thank you for the effort/expense making this data available... THose with a Rem.mdl.760 in 35 R. can come close to 358 Win.power with that LE load..!!!! LOOK OUT ELK IN THE STICK TIMBER...

Thanks Larry you are the man ! I have a Remington 14 pump in 35 rem and have some lever revolution powder on this testing you have done will be very helpful. I’m not looking for super hot loads for the old model 14 but want to try the lever revolution powder thank again Larry

Good on ya for doing this kind of stuff Larry... Genuinely useful information...
Sittin here thinking, based on Velocity figures, I may be pushing it a bit, using Reloader-7... But, Mine is a large ring (98) Mauser... so...I ain't too skeert..
Knowledge is a wonderful thing regardless..

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Originally Posted by shooter bob

Thanks Larry you are the man ! I have a Remington 14 pump in 35 rem and have some lever revolution powder on this testing you have done will be very helpful. I’m not looking for super hot loads for the old model 14 but want to try the lever revolution powder thank again Larry

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My Youngest shoots a model 14??? or??? Might be a 141?? IDK... But, post your results please, as I don't think there is a bunch of difference 14 or 141

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Originally Posted by Larry Gibson

35 Remington Pressure Tested Loads

Test rifle is a M91 Mauser rebarreled with a 26” Shilen sporter barrel with a 14” twist as sold prethreaded and 35 Remington short chambered for SR Mauser actions by Brownell's. I finish reamed the chamber with a chamber reamer I had made to minimum SAAMI specification and headspace was set at minimum. The M91 is still in cut down military stok. Sight are a Lyman SME receiver sight with an M14 front sight.

Pressure and velocity were tested with an Oehler M43 PBL. Cartridges were loaded with RCBS dies. The case mouths were mildly crimped in the canalure and crimp grooves on the rifles.

The SAAMI MAP for the 35 Remington is 33,500 psi in deference to the older recoil operated semi automatic rifles for which the cartridge was first developed. I many single shots, the marlin 336 lever actions and bolt actions the pressure can be raised increasing the efficiency of the 35 Remington considerably. The Marlin 336 while chambered in 35 Remington has been mostly chambered in 30-30. Thus with the M336 being made to handle the 30-30 SAAMI MAP of 42,000 psi I see no reason why 35 Remington cartridges can not be loaded to that level for the M336 Marlin lever action rifles.

I used 2 different loads for “reference ammunition”. The first was a specific lot of Federal factory PowerShok loaded with 200 gr RNSPs. The Federal technician wouldn't give the specific pressure tested data for that lot but advised it was just under the MPSM (35,500 psi) for the cartridge. The second was a Lyman max load listed using H4895 powder in their 50th Edition Manual which listed a psi of 32,400 psi. I replicated that load all except for the bullet. I did not have any Hornady 200 gr FTX but used 200 gr Remington CorLoks. The FTX is seated much deeper into the relative small 35 Remington case with Lyman showing it as a compressed load. The Remington bullet seates to the base of the neck leaving airspace between the powder and the bullet. Thus, I expected the psi of the “reference” test load to be a bit less than the listed Lyman load.

All tests are 10 shot tests. The M43 PBL converts the velocity to the muzzle [remember this is from a 26” barrel].

Test data of the two “reference” loads;

Federal Factory 200 gr PowerShok

Federal F-C cases
Federal 210 primers
38 gr ball type powder
OAL; 2.471”
Velocity; 2286 fps
SD/ES fps; 19/53
PSI (M43); 35,200 (just under the MPSM)
SD/ES psi; 1,000/2,900


Lyman 50th Edition Handbook replication test load

R-P cases
Rem 9 ½ Primers
36.0 gr H4895
OAL; 2.522”
Velocity; 2065 fps
SD/ES fps; 39/100
PSI (M43); 30,000 (less with the shorter seating depth of the Remington 200 gr bullet)
SD/ES psi; 1,800/5,300

Remington 180 gr FPJ bullet w/LeveRevolution

Win Super cases
CCI 200 primers
45.0 gr LeveRevolution [100% load density]
OAL; 2.457”
Velocity; 2407 fps
SD/ES fps; 16/57
PSI (M43); 32,100 (just under the MPSM)
SD/ES psi; 1,200/3,600

Remington 200 gr RNSP bullet w/LeveRevolution

Win Super cases
CCI 200 primers
42.0 gr LeveRevolution
OAL; 2.457”
Velocity; 2249 fps
SD/ES fps; 31/109
PSI (M43); 30,900
SD/ES psi; 1,200/3,600

Remington 200 gr RNSP bullet w/LeveRevolution

Win Super cases
CCI 200 primers
45.0 gr LeveRevolution [100% load density]
OAL; 2.457”
Velocity; 2425 fps
SD/ES fps; 16/41
PSI (M43); 36,300
SD/ES psi; 1,200/4,300

RCBS 35-200-FN cast of COWW + 2% tin, Hornady GCs, 2500+ lube, sized at .360

R-P Cases
WLR Primers
37 gr IMR4895
OAL; 2.425”
Velocity; 2162 fps
SD/ES fps; 50/140
PSI (M43); 41,100
SD/ES psi; 2,400/6,800


RCBS 35-200-FN cast of COWW + 2% tin, Hornady GCs, 2500+ lube, sized at .360

Win Super Cases
CCI 200 Primers
45 gr LeveRevolution
OAL; 2.427”
Velocity; 2384 fps
SD/ES fps; 28/85
PSI (M43); 37,900
SD/ES psi; 2,000/5,900


NOE 35 XCB 230 gr cast of COWW + 2% tin, Hornady GCs, 2500+ lube, sized at .360

Win Super Cases
WLR Primers
42 gr LeveRevolution
OAL; 2.453”
Velocity; 2314 fps
SD/ES fps; 18/59
PSI (M43); 41,800
SD/ES psi; 1,100/3,400

The use of LeveRevolution powder in the 35 Remington cartridge certainly boost the performance quite a bit. None of the reloads tested exceeded the SAAMI MAP for the 30-30 and, thus, they should be usable in Marlin 336 rifles, SS actions and bolt action rifles. chambered in 35 Remington.

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Thanks for the write up. Looks like I could easily bump up from 41 grains but it shoots good .running around 2080 fps. My bullets are fairly soft. 11/12 brinnel.

Probably should have posted this here, rather than the other forum post that prompted it, so I will copy/paste:

Larry,
Thanks for posting the 35 pressure data.

BTW: I had used WC680 for a while w/ 180 Hornady SSP, but stopped.
It shot well (31 gr, 1965 fps w/ WLR from 14" TC w/ brake), but the brass would stretch.
I pirated the data from extrapolation of 357 Herret data. They are fairly close, but I began ti distrust the load.

The brass stretching I find odd in this cartridge, and I never found a plausible explanation.
I neck sized mine for a while w/ a carbide 38/357 die, never touching the body. Everything goes fine for a while, then difficult closing of action indicating length to shoulder problem which I verified w/ measurements. Then I switched to LEE collet neck sizer. Same sort of thing happens. I find it odd. I'd blame the TC breach springing under pressure allowing slow growth when the action is dynamically stretched to max headspace, but that hypothesis seems to be lacking to me because of other factors.

Again, thanks for the data.

Thanks for this very useful data.

Greetings Larry,

What is the cost of a strain gage?

What quantity in a "package"?

This is great reading, many thanks,

Cheers,

David

very nice, thank you Mr. Gibson. one of my absolute favorite calibers to cast for and shoot in marlin 336's, I had been working up some loads with 8208 and the RCBS 35-200 just before getting my neck broke being rear ended on the interstate. lube sized to .360 with hornady check and carnauba red, started at 32 grains. they are still in the reloading room. My last powder order before everything went bonkers was screwed up and I was sent 10lb's of LVR instead of 4 pounds and 4 pounds or varget instead of 10. I'll put the LVR to good use with this load info. Looking forward to seeing what velocity and accuracy I'll get out of the old 20" 336 barrel. LVR seems to get best accuracy at the top end of load data in everything I've tried it in so far.

Thanks for sharing.

Larry do you have the Saeco 352 or RCBS 250? Have you shot either in the 35 R?

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Originally Posted by MT Gianni

Larry do you have the Saeco 352 or RCBS 250? Have you shot either in the 35 R?

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Don't have either, heaviest I've shot is the 230 gr XCB.

Very good info, and a great time for me right now. Thank you Larry again.
Question, I realize the 200 FTX has a deeper seating depth. I believe to feed in the tube magazines. With this bolt action (which I also have) could you be able to seat the bullet to a longer OAL? Or does the ogive not allow. I haven't got that far yet, but have been curious from the reading I have done in the past.
Thanks for the info.

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Originally Posted by MT Gianni

Larry do you have the Saeco 352 or RCBS 250? Have you shot either in the 35 R?

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Got to thinking about heavier 35 cal bullets and remembered someone had sent me some. I dug around and found them. They are 243 gr 358318 HPs. Probably will load some up with Leverevolution and test them on my next test session.

I see some testing this coming Spring with the RCBS 200 and LeveRevelution powder, in both the 20" 336CS and the 24" 336A. I'm glad I picked up a pound of it during the height of the pandemic shortage.

Once again I'll add my thanks to Mr. Gibson for doing these pressure and velocity tests.

Robert

Thanks Larry

Useful indeed. It's deer season now, and I've a couple friends with 336s in 35 Rem that I'll be loading for. I'm sitting here with a RP 35 Rem and a 350 Legend loaded with one of BaBore's 200gr hollowpoints in front of me. Sure wish I'd not let that mold go along with the 336 that I once had! I really like the 100+ yr old Rem 14 that I have in 30 Rem, I'm thinking I might get one in 35!

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Originally Posted by fc60

Greetings Larry,

What is the cost of a strain gage?

What quantity in a "package"?

This is great reading, many thanks,

Cheers,

David

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Somehow, I missed this post/questions.

Last time I got some gauges was a couple years ago. Then they cost $150 per package of 5.

Here's how they come with the necessary calibration information on the package. The calibration will be the same for the gauges in the package but do vary package to package, especially when of a different manufacturing batch. The calibration information must be entered correctly into the M43 PBL software for a new strain gauge. Heres a picture, front and back, how the gauges come from the company I get them from. Also, I've included in the picture of an older "Certificate of Conformance" which comes with the gauges.

Attachment 307665

Not a great picture but here's the gauge attached at the SAAMI prescribed location for a piezo transducer on my Palma 308W barrel.

Attachment 307665