Ranch Dog 35 Remington data

[excess650]

Is anyone using Ranch Dog's 35 Remington data? http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/store/bin/TLC359190RF/data/loadnotes02.pdf

The pressure limit and velocities are higher than normally listed by other sources, and should turn the lowly 336 35 Remington into a respectable beast. I've shot AA2015 approaching his listed loads, and my barrel is still clean and shiny! I ran out of 359-190RFs(195gr), so tried NOE 360-180HPs (175gr), and will try Saeco #354s(185gr). My newly cast 359-190RFs need to age a couple of days.

Other powders that I have, but not yet tried are H322, IMR4198, AA2200, and Reloader 7.

[madsenshooter]

I've been right up there with 2015 behind BaBore's 360-220, which after hollowpointing only weights 204gr in my alloy. SD was single digit, 9, and velocity was over 2200. At about 30 yards the bullet turns bricks to dust. The load should be excellent for feral hogs, deer, or black bear. That's about where I figured I'd be pressure-wise. Good to know.

[Bret4207]

You know, I read the article but I missed that file. Those kind of bring the 35 Rem into a new territory. Actually, considering how well it works at 2K...whoa, whole new ball game.

[madsenshooter]

BaBore's bullet seemed to like the increase in velocity too, it shot a smaller group at the higher speed.

[excess650]

I've been working with this 336 for a couple of weeks. I had tried it with cast in the past, but was never thrilled with the way it shot with even jacketed stuff. It "showed promise" many times, but the only thing consistent abot it was its inconsistency. AA5744 seemed to work OK, so I tried AA2015 and now Reloader 7. What I think I've discovered is that the lower tang is stressed(think "bent") to get the action tight to the stock. Today I tried a shim between the lower tang and stock, and closing the action had a different, more solid feel to it. A couple of groups shot afterwards looked better. I'll have to glass it and see if it proves to be the issue.

[looseprojectile]

I have been using it for the most accurate load I have ever seen in the Rossi 92.
As I already had that boolit I loaded some in the 35 Rem. for the new to me
760 Remington pump. I used RDs loads for starting loads. This is a strong gun. My son borrowed it for deer hunting and is way impressed and it is going to be hard to get it back. Loads with boolits exceed factory jacketed. Case strength is the limiting factor. The Remington has a tight chamber. Great accuracy, little recoil, LLA lube, Lots of whump. What's not to like? Sorry about the off topic reply but I am a confirmed Ranch Dog nut.

Life is good

[hornsurgeon]

i just picked up a 50's remington 760 in 35 rem and i'm thinking of getting the RD mold for it. what load have you found works best in yours? and what size boolit / bore do you have?

[jwhite]

I have had great results with the 35 Ranch Dog in both a Remington 7600 pump and a marlin 336 using 36grs of IMR 3031.
JW

[KCSO]

Has anyone used it in a Model 8 or 81 Remington? I like the looks IF it will feed.

[looseprojectile]

RX7 , can't get enough Varget in the case. Gonna try crimping in the second groove and see if it is short enough to fit and feed. I think it will. Gotta wait till season is over.

Life is good

[Baron von Trollwhack]

Thanks for posting that link. I had not seen the data before.

BvT

[madsenshooter]

Has anyone used it in a Model 8 or 81 Remington? I like the looks IF it will feed.

Take it easy on your loads for those. From what I understand, the Remington autos, the Standard Arms, and some other older rifles are the reason the SAAMI pressure spec for 35 Rem is kept so low. Though one would think if they handle 300 Savage they could take a bit more than the SAAMI spec. Just be careful.

[excess650]

Don't forget, those rifles (8, 81, and Standard Arms) are OLD. IIRC, the Stevens 425 High Power wasn't overly strong either.

[Baron von Trollwhack]

Actually, if some of those guns can handle the 300 Savage they can handle these loads too. Recall, the TC contender can take Springfield 45-70 loads at 28K and 5.56 loads at 55K+. That is related to case head size in large part.

Not all those named and related guns are old or worn or were poorly constructed when new and many of the earlier guns had better chambers and fewer mechanical issues than a some newer models. How about a LOT of those 336 slop chambers, bulged sight cuts, and terribly done barrels and headspace?

But of course if some are not aware, they ought to stay with starting table loads. Plus, No one has mentioned cast boolit typically lower pressures for velocity using the same powders.

Lets not be passing on the myth and baloney in our hobby via scary tales.

[Suo Gan]

Okay, who the heck is shooting a Standard Arms Rifle? Do you shoot it semi or pump? I have only seen one, and it was kept as a wall hanger by a ninety something year old guy I know whose fathers friend hunted with it probably before most of us were thought of (even the real geezers). There is a good article on them I read in Gun Digest a while back.

[Bret4207]

I've seen a Standard, handled it quite a bit. Would have been the perfect rifle for Capt Nemo in "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". I could have got it cheap. No regrets not buying it.

[madsenshooter]

Here's an article on the 336 in 35REM. http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/marlin-336c-35-rem?page=1 This fellow has better luck with the factory ammo than I've experienced. In fact I shot some Winchester 200gr loads not long ago that, judging by the fireball, must've been loaded with 760. The cases were undersized compared to the new old stock Remington cases I'd previously bought and used. The Winchesters produced enough pressure to seal the case, but not enough to push the casehead back against the breech. I've already deprimed them, but I'll bet the primers were sticking out .010-.020. Groups were more like 4-5 inches at 100 yards. I was considering a Standard Arms before I ran across my 336 for $400 less.

[Suo Gan]

Can't find the article now, something titled "The old Standards," or some such. In it I distinctly remember reading that they were the most labor intensive and costly rifles to build up to that time. I think the company lasted less than a handful of years, the remaining stock of parts I believe was bought up by a company that put them together later...probably another reason they have such a terrible reputation. But the rifle has a buttplate and pump handle made of some mighty impressive bronze castings you probably won't see Admiral Bean McBodingstones rifle wearing when he is gunning for trophy sea elephants in the latest issue of Faux Hunting Journal. Just another cool footnote in American guns I guess.

[Suo Gan]

Here's an article on the 336 in 35REM. http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/marlin-336c-35-rem?page=1 This fellow has better luck with the factory ammo than I've experienced.

What kind of degenerate shoots factory jacketed out of their 35 Rem? :holysheep

Read this one instead :) http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/store/bin/TLC359190RF/pdf/100_year_hunter.pdf Why can't GnA write something like that? With graphs and stats like they used to put in magazines? Are we all really that dumb anymore? Leave it up to a guy doing it for free to outdo them.

[madsenshooter]

I'm one of those degenerates, when someone gives me factory loads. Shooting them is a lot less labor intensive than pulling them down, and I'm a lazy degenerate!:lol:

[Suo Gan]

I'm one of those degenerates, when someone gives me factory loads. Shooting them is a lot less labor intensive than pulling them down, and I'm a lazy degenerate!:lol:

If someone was giving me factory loads that would be my take exactly.

[KCSO]

I've been loading for the M8 for a long time now with no damage. They handle factory 200 grainers with no problem and I don't need anything over 2000 fps from a cast bullet, I was just curious if they feed with that big meplat.

[looseprojectile]

I have been loading the RD .360 190 grain boolit in the 35 Remington and basking in the glory of how much power I can obtain from it in the 760 rifle gun.
Now I realize the same boolit in the .357 Rossi is way plenty of power for deer at 1600 -- 1800 fps. I will now slow the loads for the pump gun down to 2000 or even 1800 fps. Good thing I had few rounds loaded up. Gives me a lot more powder choices. Cases ought to last longer too.
Thanks for the wake up. I do prefer carrying and shooting the little open sighted levergun over the Remington. Here in the thick woods I am more likely to get a fifteen or twenty yard shot and it needs to be quick.

Life is good

[KCSO]

The factory 200 jacketed loads from my M8 run just 2000 so I never tried to beat that. I had a 35 Whelen and ran some loads up to 2400 but I didn't enjoy shooting them as much. I carried a M92 Rossi in the trunk of my cruiser for years and loaded a 180 gr. bullet at 1800 fps and put down a ton of animals with it so you shouldn't have any problem with a deer.