When will the Lyman 4th Edition Cast Bullet Manual Come Out [Archive]

fryboy

10-16-2010, 12:19 AM

i've seen it put off time and time again since the first of February ( no lie ) any date until it's produced is a long shot , u didnt give me the option to choose " next year " ( ok ok over six months but it's only 2 1/2 months 'til next year :-P ) i sure hope they print enough copies the first time geez ...... ( bet they wont as it's been 30 years since they put out a cast boolet book and they be outta practice - among other ummm things )

stubert

10-16-2010, 08:46 AM

I have one on order since June, I called them and was told end of october.

runfiverun

10-16-2010, 10:54 AM

iv'e heard a tentative november date.
so i'm thinking next summer,,,,,,, maybe.

Casting Timmy

10-16-2010, 02:38 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one waiting in confusion/ anticapation. I really do hope that it's here before Christmas though, that way I can read it this winter before spring hits.

GRid.1569

10-16-2010, 03:12 PM

As long as it's out for Xmas... i'm in Florida in Jan and I want it.....

redneckdan

10-16-2010, 04:40 PM

midway was saying mid Oct, now it's mid Nov. With books 6 months over due and molds that don't work I am beginning to think they don't want our money.

plus1hdcp

10-16-2010, 05:43 PM

I'm with grid1569 and hope it's out before Christmas

geargnasher

10-17-2010, 12:19 AM

I'm with Redneck Dan. Don't worry, they aren't getting any more of mine and haven't for a while.

Gear

Charlie Two Tracks

10-17-2010, 09:56 AM

I don't know either but I will be glad to see it get here. Patience is not one of my virtues.

Hardcast416taylor

10-17-2010, 10:27 AM

The last time I talked with Christine in customer service at Lyman she had asked her supervisor when and his answer was mid Oct. Well if memory serves me it is past mid Oct. and still nothing. I wonder if O`Bummer is running Lyman Corp.?Robert:confused:

fryboy

10-19-2010, 09:03 AM

midway pushed it back a couple more weeks ( again [sigh] )

" Out of Stock, Backorder OK
Date expected in stock: 12/1/2010 "

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=867465

BABore

10-19-2010, 12:19 PM

Does anybody honestly believe there will be anything earth-shattering in this edition?

Sure, it will likely have a snazy new cover. Maybe some new articles from current writers. The addition of a few new cartridges while dropping some older ones. That's about all I would expect.

Lyman hasn't seen fit to update their cherry's to modern diameter standards and when is the last time that actually added a new design. We'll be getting the same data as the 3rd edition with few if any fast powders, no slow powders, and no fillers. Alloys will be the same outdated Lyman #2 and linotype that is almost non-existent. The actual how-to section is a joke. Sure, I bought the 3rd edition when I started casting. I outgrew it in less than a month. Joe Brennen's conglomeration of other peoples stuff is light years beyond this though I'm not endorsing it. You are better off getting your info here at Cast Boolit, lasc's site, and all of Glen's articles.

IMO, I would rather see some reprints of the 1st and 2nd editions as well as the older Lyman reloading manuals.

HangFireW8

10-19-2010, 10:55 PM

Does anybody honestly believe there will be anything earth-shattering in this edition?

Sure, it will likely have a snazy new cover. Maybe some new articles from current writers. The addition of a few new cartridges while dropping some older ones. That's about all I would expect.

I expect... that if they take out all the obsolete powders, primers, molds and cartridges, it will be about 1/2 the size of the old edition. So, I figure they'll have to add something back in.

I expect... that some rifle cartridges that had primarily pistol powders will now have some more rifle powders.

I expect... them to ditch the Linotype only 38 Special silliness, even if it is 1/4MOA more accurate in a Ransom Rest.

I expect... new load workups with modern, available primers and powders.

I'll buy one, but if it falls short of my expectations I'll be the first one back here complaining about it.

At the very least, they are giving us SOME attention.

-HF

LouB

10-19-2010, 11:10 PM

I ordered some "M" expander plugs and the 4th edition. I got the party line of October, but was told that it's in final review. Whatever that means. If it's still being "reviewed", then it can't be being printed yet, to my way of thinking. And if they haven't begun printing, it can't be done and distributed for a while yet.

LouB

Silent

10-22-2010, 11:12 PM

I want my book :(

Thecyberguy

10-22-2010, 11:40 PM

Christmas WOULD be nice.....
TCG

Rocky Raab

10-23-2010, 11:49 AM

My source on the book is Liz Friedman, Lyman's Graphic Designer. Her last email to me was in July, when she said: "Haven't forgotten you Rocky, it is almost ready to go to press. We had a few minor hold ups in the casting area when OSHA decided to get involved, but we are back on track and wrapping things up now. As soon as I have a printed copy I will put it in the mail to you."

I guess the only best answer is that we'll see it when we see it. As soon as my copy arrives, I'll give it a quick scan and report first impressions here.

Doc Highwall

10-23-2010, 11:55 AM

I would like to see them even put the 6mm BR back in with the regular reloading manual. But I do not want them to drop either old cartridges or moulds because you never know when one might strike your fancy like with cowboy action shooting.

Charlie Two Tracks

11-11-2010, 07:45 PM

Every time I see that someone has posted here, I hurry and click of the thread thinking that maybe it is the long awaited good news.

Casting Timmy

11-11-2010, 09:16 PM

Midway now says it's 11/18.... hopefully it's true.....

RayinNH

11-11-2010, 10:46 PM

They meant November 2018...Ray

Silent

11-11-2010, 11:43 PM

They meant November 2018...Ray

Makes sense since the world is ending 12/2012

noylj

11-11-2010, 11:52 PM

Think of all the powders that have been discontinued and others introduced while we waited.
I would have guessed after T-day for that Xmas rush, but this seems like more incompetence then planning.

Thecyberguy

11-12-2010, 06:46 PM

Every time I see that someone has posted here, I hurry and click of the thread thinking that maybe it is the long awaited good news.

I too, look all the time. I just looked in Midway a couple of days ago and it just said soon...so maybe this is a good sign. Have a good 'un, TCG

Casting Timmy

11-16-2010, 06:50 AM

Today's the 16th and Midway's website is still saying the 18th.....could it be true that this book is finally coming out?

If anyone gets notification that your book has shipped can you please post about it here? I've already preordered mine and am just waiting for it now.

Rocky Raab

11-16-2010, 02:53 PM

I have a query in to my inside source. Please stand by.

Dale53

11-16-2010, 04:18 PM

I have a query in to my inside source. Please stand by.

I am all ears! I have a notice of "in stock" pending at Midway. If I hear anything, I, too will let everyone know but I suspect Rocky will be WAY AHEAD of me.

Dale53

Hardcast416taylor

11-16-2010, 10:52 PM

I talked with Roseann at Lyman customer service yesterday. She said the printer is working on it now and should be at sale counters this month (Nov.).Robert

bubbadawg59

11-20-2010, 10:58 AM

mine was shipped the 11/16/10 from lyman . acording to the fedx tracking website it is in kansas city and should arive at my doorstop by 11/24/10

Rocky Raab

11-20-2010, 11:51 AM

Jim Sheldon

11-21-2010, 11:55 AM

I updated the other threads on this topic, but forgot this one.

Pallets of the books arrived at Lyman on the 16th. Lyman began shipping bulk orders to distributors immediately, and also individual orders to those who ordered directly from Lyman.

If you ordered directly from Lyman, you ought to have one by Thanksgiving. If you ordered one from Midway, Grafs or the like, it will be a bit longer because of the time to get them to those distributors by truck.

Graf's (www.grafs.com) also is showing them "IN STOCK". Midway shows them backordered until 11/26/2010.

Ordered mine from Grafs and it's showing shipped by Fedex Ground - should be here Monday.

Jim

Rocky Raab

11-21-2010, 01:17 PM

Thanks for the update!

Dale53

11-21-2010, 03:24 PM

Thanks for the update!

+1
I appreciate the information!

Dale53

Casting Timmy

11-22-2010, 09:01 PM

Midway just pushed it out until December again. Did anyone get their copy yet? Does it actually look like the photos or did it get changed?

870TC

11-22-2010, 09:04 PM

Gunstop.com has them, Bought one Saturday the 20th.

dragonrider

11-22-2010, 10:31 PM

I am a humbug, complete and unapologetic. I despise what Christmas has become, a comercial entity of it own, a mad gamble to squeeze as much cash out of the general populace as possible. I find it completely offensive. Commercials set forth the premise if you don't buy this or that object for your wife, significant other, child, mother, father, etc. then somehow their lives will be greatly deminished in some way and they will be depressed for the rest of their lives and you will probably end up suicidal because you where not completely attuned to the needs of you wife, significant other, child, mother, father etc.

It's all such a tremendous waste of time and money both of which have far better uses for much better results.

HangFireW8

11-22-2010, 11:09 PM

Based on info here on this forum, I took a chance and placed an order last night (Sun evening) including the "backorder status" Lyman 4th. It is in UPS's hands today on 11/22 and expected here 11/24.

I say "took a chance" because I ordered a boolit sizing die I need, and the whole order is held until the B/O is in stock.

As for crass commercialism, since I don't watch TV much and have a 5 minute commute to listen to the radio, well, I just don't get a chance to be offended that much. Especially when I forget to turn on the radio.

Artful

11-23-2010, 12:28 AM

One in hand today Nov 22nd.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=98833

Guess I order from Graff & Sons

Dale53

11-23-2010, 01:13 AM

>>>I am a humbug, complete and unapologetic. I despise what Christmas has become, a comercial entity of it own, a mad gamble to squeeze as much cash out of the general populace as possible. I find it completely offensive. Commercials set forth the premise if you don't buy this or that object for your wife, significant other, child, mother, father, etc. then somehow their lives will be greatly deminished in some way and they will be depressed for the rest of their lives and you will probably end up suicidal because you where not completely attuned to the needs of you wife, significant other, child, mother, father etc.

It's all such a tremendous waste of time and money both of which have far better uses for much better results. <<<

Christmas is what YOU make of it. I can't be bothered by what commercial interests do or don't do. We celebrate Christmas as the Birth of Christ and revel in THAT celebration.

YMMV
Dale53

Von Gruff

11-23-2010, 03:22 PM

There are a few of us in the 'bah humbug' frame of mind.
Christmas has no meaning to most in the "christian" world other than a time of comercialised, debt laden obligation that is fuelled by over comsumption of alchahol and makes any sharing of the "joy of the season" a fleeting experience at most.
I dont get cought up in it anymore.

Von Gruff.

NHlever

11-23-2010, 05:43 PM

I stopped at a large gun shop today, and they had a couple of the new books in stock so I picked up one of them. (11-23-10)

zomby woof

11-23-2010, 05:57 PM

Now in stock at Midway!!!

Thecyberguy

11-23-2010, 06:02 PM

Got this today in my email..

Hello Guy,

Per your request for notification, we received the following:

Lyman "Cast Bullet Handbook: 4th Edition" Book

Supplies may be limited and are first come first serve. Don’t wait until they’re gone.

To view this item, click on the link in the next section.

Thanks for Your Business,

Larry Potterfield,
Founder and CEO of MidwayUSA

Charlie Sometimes

11-23-2010, 06:18 PM

....... I am beginning to think they don't want our money.

I do believe that our education system (full of liberal greenie gun haters) has instructed all graduates that they should push companies to failure, and believe everything the graduate bean counters tell them, to bring us to our knees at the alter of the higher educated socialists. Sad that such great companies existed and are mostly shadows of their former selves, owned by larger shadow casters.

What in a new one could they print that we need to know? The best they could do is to recycle everything printed in all previous editions together, but would probably degrade it's value by instituting the advice of graduate lawyer liability "advice".

Treetop

11-23-2010, 08:50 PM

>>> We celebrate Christmas as the Birth of Christ and revel in THAT celebration.

YMMV
Dale53

Amen! Treetop

John Boy

11-23-2010, 09:56 PM

Just curious to see when others think it will come out.
Mine is being delivered now by FedEx from Graf & Sons. Tracking says it will be delivered on 26 Nov

Actually, I got a page from it last week ... Lyman photocopied the 32-40 page because I was asking them for data because there's no 32-40 in the 49th Edition - even though they sell the 319274 mold. Go Figure!

Pirate69

11-23-2010, 10:27 PM

MidSouth called today to confirm that I still wanted it. It is being shipped!!!!!!!!!!!!!

prs

11-24-2010, 03:56 PM

Ordered mune yesterday and USPO book rate will deliver next week from Midway USA.

prs

oldtoolsniper

11-24-2010, 04:59 PM

http://www.opticsplanet.net/lyman-cast-bullet-handbook-4th-edition.html

in stock here

Blkpwdrbuff

11-24-2010, 05:32 PM

Ordered mine yesterday from Midway. Got notice they were in and promptly ordered.
Should arrive by Nov. 30th
Blkpwdrbuff

Pieter C. Voss

11-24-2010, 06:58 PM

I was just informed via telephone by Midsouth that my backordered copy is on the way.

OldSchool

11-24-2010, 07:00 PM

Ordered mine yesterday from Midway. Got notice they were in and promptly ordered.
Should arrive by Nov. 30th
Blkpwdrbuff
Strange! We've been watching the MidwayUSA website the past couple of days and never saw it in any status but "backordered." However, we did watch the backorder date move from 11/18 to 12/18 to (currently) 12/24.:confused:

Bill*

11-24-2010, 07:42 PM

Strange! We've been watching the MidwayUSA website the past couple of days and never saw it in any status but "backordered." However, we did watch the backorder date move from 11/18 to 12/18 to (currently) 12/24.:confused:

Uh Huh, Same here. It's been in my wishlist at Midway for weeks now. I never saw it change status and I checked it most every day. Strange indeed..... :(

Treetop

11-24-2010, 08:18 PM

Ordered mine last Sunday evening from Graf's and just received it today! It seems that Mike Venturino wrote practically all of the articles in the 4rth edition.

I haven't had time to sit down and really read any of it, yet... Tt.

Silent

11-24-2010, 10:37 PM

Mine came in today, and it doesn't even have load data for the cast boolit I use in my 9mm. Reserving my opinion until I have a chance to read the filler material.

NHlever

11-25-2010, 10:22 AM

One of the gun shops that I stopped at yesterday had a stack of them in stock. I got mine the other day from a different shop that is out of them now. I have mixed feelings about the new manual. There is info using the newer powders, and some calibers like .308 Win. are well covered, but old favorites like the 30-30, and 35 Remington have pretty slim coverage, and mostly a rehash of old info, and statements......... like the 1600 FPS limit with microgroove barrels. The 30-30 has no light boolit info for example, and I think it makes a very good poor man's 32-20. Guess I should trade my deer rifles for a 40-65 so I can get some loading information. It is getting so you can buy any caliber hunting rifle you want as long as it is a 30-06, or 270, or one of this month's wonder calibers that they don't actually make ammo for, and the same thing is true for loading info. I was disappointed when the new Hornady manual came out, and had no info for some of the rounds it developed............. they like to sell new ammo I guess, and they would really like to wean us off our old reliable deer guns. I can understand no info for the .338 Marlin Express since there were no bullets available suitable for reloading a tube magazine, but there is no excuse for other missing ones. Sorry for the rant, but I thought they could at least copy the light boolit info from the old manual for the 30-30 for example.

Silent

11-25-2010, 11:59 AM

... but I thought they could at least copy the light boolit info from the old manual for the 30-30 for example.

I reload for my 30-30 as well, and I noticed the load data was the same as the Lyman reloading manual had. I was hoping for a wider range of loads for the 30-30 as well.