Lvr powder

[jtaylor1960]

I just saw on the Hodgdon website they are listing load data for their new LVR powder in some of the lever action calibers.I think it is to be available next year.The ballistics are pretty impressive.

[hickstick_10]

I bet the cost per pound will be equally impressive

[Larry Gibson]

That should be the powder used in the LeveRevolution ammo that is supposed to be available in January. I'm looking forward to trying it in my M94AE Black Shadow. If I can equal the factory ammunition velocity and pressures with the 160 gr FTX bullets then the cost will be worth it. Won't be "plinking" with them anyways.

Larry Gibson

[Newtire]

I just saw on the Hodgdon website they are listing load data for their new LVR powder in some of the lever action calibers.I think it is to be available next year.The ballistics are pretty impressive.

Now that is some good news! Better finish up the stock on my '94 Black Shadow.

[madsenshooter]

Interesting to note a higher max charge for the 200 Hornady RN vs the 200 FTX in 35 Rem.

[MtGun44]

Supposed to be able to drive a 150 gr bullet at 2700 fps in .30-30 while staying inside
the normal design pressure for the cartridge - from a reliable source. That makes a
.30-30 into a .308.

Interesting.

Bill

[Newtire]

Supposed to be able to drive a 150 gr bullet at 2700 fps in .30-30 while staying inside
the normal design pressure for the cartridge - from a reliable source. That makes a
.30-30 into a .308.

Interesting.

Bill

Wow! Do you know what length barrel they got that kind of velocity out of? I am anxious to try it out in .30-30 Ackley Improved. Those leverrevo bullets are real accurate.

[Larry Gibson]

The factory 160 gr LeveRevolution runs 2454 fps out of my 24" barreled M94 AE 30-30. It should not be a stretch to get 2500 fps out of it with a 150 gr bullet and the new Lvr Powder given the loading density. If one could get enough of the new powder in the case then one still has about 4,000 maybe 5,000 more psi to paly with. Might make 2700 fps in a 26" barrel but loading density is the issue. If so it them actually makes it into a .300 Savage or the M1903 '06 cartridge. The .308W still out does 2700 fps by a wide margin in equal length barrels. Wonder what that powder would do in the .300 Savage or .308W with a 150 gr bullet:-)

Larry Gibson

[MtGun44]

My source says that the big deal about the newer powders is energy density, lots
more nitro but still keeps the burning speed in a reasonable range so the pressures
don't spike. Apparently there will be several new powders with this new technology.

If you think about it there are a lot of cartridges which have low powder volume, so
you can't make use of slower powders because you can fill the case up and still
be well below the pressure limits.

Personally, I am wondering if the new .30 Rem (?) AR cartridge for the AR15 or the
6x45 will get a boost. I know that the 6x45's whole problem is way too little powder
space, so higher energy density may transform the cartridge. I tend to think than the
new Rem .30 cal hunting round for the AR platform should have some of the same issues
but I may be wrong about this new cartridge.

If the new powders are enough different this may make the heavier bullet 'alternate' AR cartridges
really work since their problem is being stuck with the mag length and bolt head size of the
AR platform which controls powder volume.

We'll see what the loading data looks like when it officially comes out.

Bill

[7of7]

Bullet: 150 GR. SIE FN
Powder: Hodgdon LVR
Caliber .308" (30-30)
OAL: 2.550"
Load Starting: 35.0 2314 28,700 CUP
Load Max: 38.5C 2512 34,800 CUP

This is from the Hodgdon reloading site..
Seems to me, that 2512 is on the slow side for the 308, 30.06,... but only by a couple hundred FPS... the factory stuff that I was shooting, was 2200 fps..

Interestingly enough they show it on their burn chart right next to BL-C2.. on the slow side..

[Larry Gibson]

The factory LeveRevolution I tested had 35.8 gr of powder and it was close to 100% density. That's why I questioned getting enough in the 30-30 case with the lighter 150 gr bullets. Looks like my prediction of 2500 fps was pretty close. SAAMI lists a MAP of 42,000 psi and the 160 gr LeveRevoltion ran 37,800 psi in my 24" barreled M94 AE.

My preference is to also stick with the 160 gr FTX bullets becuase of their greater BC. Running 2452 fps zeroed at 200 yards it is 2.8" high at 100 and 12" low at 300 yards. It is still running at 1714 fps with 1043 ft/lbs at 300 yards. With the scope on the M94 AE that definately makes for a 300 yard deer rifle/antelope rifle for those who like leverguns. If the powder to be released is the same powder then I could probably run the 160 FTX at 2500+ fps with the FTX if I pushed psi's up to the SAAMI MAP.

Larry Gibson

[MtGun44]

I may have confused one of the other new powders (we were discussing the whole range of
new technology powders) with the LVR. The Superformance ammo from Hornady is also using
some new powder technology, and I may have crossed the two.

Even 2500 is pretty good, perhaps one of the other new 'superformance type' powders will
be even denser without exceeding the pressure limits, since clearly even LVR isn't dense
enough to get enough into the .30-30 case to reach max SAAMI pressures.