50/50 bees wax/ allox

[dangerranger]

for what ever reason most target shooters in my area seem to be using javalina lube. I cant find anyone who sells it but one guy said it was a 50/50 mix of bees wax and allox. the only allox I have found is Lee liquid allox. is this the same? I tried a serch and found alot of threads but none that directly answered the question. thanks DR

[wiljen]

No LLA is not the alox used in 50/50 lube. Liquid Alox is a Alox 606 derivative while the Alox in NRA lube (50/50) is Alox 350 or the now discontinued Alox 2138f.

Some sources for NRA lube:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=785628
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=632694
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=653882

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/10245
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/16850

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690007
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000152857277

http://shop.ebay.com/jakesproducts/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/index.html

[357maximum]

Glenn over at : http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/index.html

Will sell you a can of ALOX350 and you can make your own 50/50. Alox350 is a sweet smelling thick pasty like grease type stuff thas is kinda like cosmoline but different.:razz: He buys it by the 55gal drum and packages it in brand new 1qt paintcans. You cannot beat his prices either. He also sells the 50/50 all made and ready to go. I prefer his B.A.C which is a hybrid of 50/50 and his Carnauba Red lubes but that is me. I make my own lubes now, but if I did not B.A.C is all I would buy.

The difference between alox350 and the old 2138F is not even notewothy for our uses. The discontinued 2138F had a very very very small amount of a hard microcrystalline wax in it. Functionally there is NO difference.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

dangerranger, Chuck Cleave was selling Javelina Products out of PO BOX 337 San Bernardino ,CA. 92402. PH#909-3509556.

[Roundnoser]

Speaking of Javelina products, I just purchased a lot of casting equipment which included an original 4-pack of Javelina 50/50 lube and a small box of Dacron fiber case filler. The box has a post mark date of 1978. -- Anyone know how long Javelina has been in business? I kinda feel like its a little piece of modern bullet casting history! Also, some nice graphics of the lube boxes...a snarling Javelina head. Don't know if anyone collects this kind of stuff.

[Larry Gibson]

"for what ever reason most target shooters in my area seem to be using javalina lube."

The "reason" is because it works very, very well over a very wide application range. I've been using Javelina since '68 in loads from 300 fps to 2600+ fps with cast bullets in handguns and rifles. I've tested a lot of other lubes along the way and always end up back to using Javelina. Haven't found anything better as far as accuracy and no leading. Lar's 2500+ is as good at 1800 - 2600+ fps BTW, haven't tested it lower.

The harder wax lubes are less messy handling but I'm interested in the shooting not the handling. Besides 10 -15 minutes in a freezer makes the Javelina lubed bullets less messy when handling during loading too. I only do that whn it's really hot in the loading area though.

Some years ago the wax paper wrap was also a coupon that with a quarter you sent and got back the same box the tube was in stuffed with dacron. It was a lot and would do a lot of loads. Then dacron became readily available at fabric stores, in stuffed toys and pollows, etc.

I highly recommend Javelina lube and if you don't want it I will give you a fair price for it?

Larry Gibson

[Alan in Vermont]

I ran Javelina for a long time in the late 70s, early 80s. I think the guy making it then was Jesse Smiley, talked to him a few times when I order it, nice guy to talk to. I also remember the Dacron coupon, I never messed with it but a friend of mine did. The only rifle stuff I messed with was reduced loads in 30-30 and I had lucked into a (I think) 3 lb can of IMR 4756 back when DuPont wasn't making it(they have since re-introduced it). That powder is so bulky you didn't need fillers in the case. The 3 lbs pretty much filled the same can as the eight pound lugs of the oher IMR were packed in.

I never saw any leading with Javelina in high horsepower loads in 44 Mag and 357 Mag when I was shooting metallic silhouette. Only reason I don't use it now is because I was offered a decent price on a 5 gallon pail of 2138F and I'm still working off that. Even went to the effort to make a mould that casts hollow sticks for my Lyman and RCBS sizers.

[Hardcast416taylor]

I used my last box of javalina lube about a year back. I had bought quite a supply of it many years back. I used in in all my pistol bullet lube work and a little bit with rifle bullet lubeing. I also ordered the dacron from the offer on the box, still have about a half box of it left after all these years. The last box I opened and shook out the lube stick wrapped in that wax type paper had glued itself to the stick and I had to filet the paper off the lube with a thin knife blade. Now days I use Lars 50/50 or BAC.Robert

[cajun shooter]

The Javelina was being included by Magma in the box with every new Star sizer. I don't know if they still do this. When I came home from the Army in late 68 and started reloading that is the lube that the gun store sold. I remember it being a little sticky and having a smell that you knew when fired. It was also on the smokey side, but I was too much of a neophyte to understand I could use a different lube. When I load for a friend or two that requires smokeless powder now, I use BAC. I don't know if the Javelina has any value as far as a collectors item at this time but at 64 I will not be around when that time comes. Being a 100% BP shooter I no longer have use for any standard lubes. When I say that Javelina was the lube sold when I first loaded in the 60's, I am not say that it was that brand but the same make up as it is. I can't remember the name on the box but I do remember it had Red printing.