reloading data for 7.62x25?

[jtwodogs]

I am about at my wits end. I do not have to go far.LOL
Been trying to reload for my tt38. It likes the factory stuff which is hot a 86 gr. FMJ
about 1650 fps.
Tried titegroup all the way up to 6.3 grs. using Horn. 85 gr. JSP.
Will not shoot a good group. I think gun wants to run fast to be accurate. The factory stuff is really accurate.
I have IMR4227, H110, w296, and HP38, left as pistol powder choices. I have seen that many people use these. Just no one willing to put any numbers out there.
I have 4 different manuels and non of them have any data for this round. Maybe someone could give some starting loads to there most accurate load and then I could work up. Just want to get on the right track.
Thanks
j

[Combat Diver]

I used to reload for the 7.63 Mauser, which is where the Soviets copied for the Tokerov cartridge. Unforunitly I do not have excess to my reloading logbooks down range. Might have some data over on my external hard drive which I'll check after lunch.

[Combat Diver]

.30 Mauser
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=30%20Mauser&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

7.62x25
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=7.62%20x%2025&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

[9.3X62AL]

AA-7 powder has been my "go-to" powder for the 7.62 x 25 Tokarev. With 85-90 grain bullets/boolits, start with 6.5 grains of AA-7 and work toward 7.7 grains for 1400 FPS. That is about top-end for the Tokarev pistols; CZ-52 pistols and Soviet-bloc SMGs can run hotter loads. The most recent Hornady Manual shows some CZ-52 loads for their XTP bullets that run to 1700 FPS plus. Such loads would likely GRENADE a Broomhandle, and wouldn't do a Tokarev much good, either.

[jtwodogs]

Thanks for the info guys. The Vithavori stuff is hard to find around here. I have been shooting the Czhec ammo, which chronos at 1650 and my tok is handling it pretty, very accurate.
I was hoping for some info with 4227. but will probably start with min.. loads for w296

[zxcvbob]

I'd start with AA#7.
Power Pistol, HS-6, and 800X should also be really good, and WSF and Herco not bad.

The powders you have are all either too fast or too slow.

[jtwodogs]

.30 Mauser
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=30%20Mauser&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

7.62x25
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=7.62%20x%2025&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

Thanks for the info it shows that H110 is definetly used for loading this pistol.

Here is another source using H110
http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_all_handgun.asp?CaliberID=29

Was just wondering if anyone had any personal experience with it.
Thanks

[zxcvbob]

I want to learn to reload this cartridge, just on principle, but it's hard to justify when milsurp ammo is still less than 10¢ a pop. But I just ran some numbers in quickload. I gave it a maximum pressure of 35000 psi, which is more than QL recommended, so take this with a larger than usual grain of salt. (that's also why most of them say DANGEROUS LOAD) Consider these maximum loads and use at your own risk.


Cartridge : 7.62 x 25 Tokarev
Bullet : .308, 86, Hornady RN 3100
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.390 inch or 35.31 mm
Barrel Length : 5.0 inch or 127.0 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 35000 psi, or 241 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N105 100.2 10.9 0.71 1636 94.9 35000 11164 0.432 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Enforcer 96.2 13.6 0.88 1608 78.6 35000 11331 0.437 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant POWER PISTOL 79.5 8.8 0.57 1598 95.5 35000 10457 0.433 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant 2400 95.2 12.6 0.81 1598 77.5 35000 11104 0.439 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.7 75.4 11.3 0.73 1597 87.3 35000 10808 0.438 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H110 105.0 15.7 1.02 1591 69.0 34311 11331 0.442 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 105.0 15.2 0.98 1590 73.4 32067 11953 0.447 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 97.8 11.1 0.72 1586 86.2 35000 10614 0.437 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.9 82.9 12.4 0.80 1580 80.9 35000 10537 0.436 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 3N38 92.8 10.5 0.68 1578 91.0 35000 10138 0.436 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4100 98.1 14.1 0.91 1576 73.4 35000 10588 0.436 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.5 60.0 9.4 0.61 1572 93.9 35000 9912 0.433 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 3N37 80.8 8.7 0.56 1547 99.7 35000 8862 0.437 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon HS-6 65.6 9.0 0.59 1542 98.9 35000 8909 0.436 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N350 83.8 8.5 0.55 1542 99.8 35000 8665 0.434 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant HERCO 90.9 7.9 0.51 1539 100.0 35000 8611 0.443 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot True Blue 60.9 8.7 0.57 1533 99.6 35000 8617 0.436 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 540 60.7 8.7 0.56 1533 99.7 35000 8602 0.436 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant UNIQUE 80.7 7.2 0.47 1520 100.0 35000 8064 0.443 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WAP 66.4 8.0 0.52 1518 100.0 35000 8044 0.435 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Silhouette 65.3 8.0 0.52 1517 100.0 35000 8005 0.436 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant BULLSEYE 70.6 6.5 0.42 1515 100.0 35000 7864 0.433 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N340 78.8 7.3 0.47 1490 100.0 35000 7388 0.439 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.2 58.8 6.8 0.44 1483 100.0 35000 7353 0.435 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 5744 105.0 13.7 0.88 1483 58.8 32534 9277 0.451 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal 74.4 6.7 0.43 1460 100.0 35000 6965 0.449 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N330 74.5 6.8 0.44 1459 100.0 35000 6787 0.445 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate Solo 1250 79.9 6.6 0.43 1445 100.0 35000 6558 0.440 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Zip 55.7 6.7 0.43 1435 100.0 35000 6472 0.442 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 231 63.6 6.7 0.43 1435 100.0 35000 6472 0.442 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon HP38 62.2 6.6 0.43 1427 100.0 35000 6354 0.442 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate Nitro 100 76.1 5.5 0.36 1408 100.0 35000 6151 0.446 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant GREEN DOT 77.3 6.0 0.39 1407 100.0 35000 6171 0.452 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N320 72.9 6.0 0.39 1399 100.0 35000 5966 0.450 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N110 105.0 12.4 0.80 1387 68.0 23705 9195 0.521
Accurate Solo 1000 75.8 5.8 0.38 1386 100.0 35000 5838 0.448 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 1680 105.0 15.7 1.02 1384 48.7 28795 8030 0.476
Alliant RED DOT 78.6 5.4 0.35 1375 100.0 35000 5793 0.453 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon TiteGroup 52.4 5.9 0.39 1375 100.0 35000 5691 0.448 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4227 105.0 13.4 0.87 1331 53.8 24618 7664 0.511
Vihtavuori N310 60.8 4.9 0.32 1307 100.0 35000 4949 0.459 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4227 105.0 13.4 0.87 1301 52.0 23075 7424 0.528
Hodgdon H4198 105.0 13.7 0.89 1196 41.9 20228 6101 0.565
IMR 4198 105.0 13.1 0.85 1145 41.1 17632 5672 0.603
Vihtavuori N120 105.0 13.3 0.86 1117 42.6 16182 5729 0.627

[7of7]

This is from the Ammoguide site, these are the max loads that people have posted...
Bullet Wt. (gr) __________Powder Type__________Charge (gr)__________Vel. (fps)
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-9__________10.9M_____________1470
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-2__________6.5M______________1522
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-9__________13.5+P ___________1683
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-5__________8.5M______________1690
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-7__________10.3M_____________1721

[jtwodogs]

Thanks zxcvbob, that shows a workable 4227 load.

[mike in co]

and just for the heck of it, ...why did you ask a RELOADING
question on an EQUIPTMENT
forum ??
there are relaoding forrums on this site.

[jtwodogs]

and just for the heck of it, ...why did you ask a RELOADING
question on an EQUIPTMENT
forum ??
there are relaoding forrums on this site.


Sorry did not see the reloading data forum.
And just for the "Heck of it" You need some help with your people skills!

[mechteacher]

Brass for Tokarev can be limited to find for reloading. I cut 223 brass down and reform with the Lee Sizer/Decapper die. Harbor Freight sells a 2" cut off saw that cuts cases just fine. I cut a grove in a piece of wood and after cutting a slot with the cutoff saw, pressed a thin washer as a stop. I place an empty 223 case and cut to 24.74 mm. Chamfer inside and out, lube and run through the resizing die. Now you have 24.95 mm brass.
With this brass you will need to use a shell holder for .223 as the 7.62x25 case head is slightly smaller.

[Outpost75]

Brass for Tokarev can be limited to find for reloading. I cut 223 brass down and reform with the Lee Sizer/Decapper die. Harbor Freight sells a 2" cut off saw that cuts cases just fine. I cut a grove in a piece of wood and after cutting a slot with the cutoff saw, pressed a thin washer as a stop. I place an empty 223 case and cut to 24.74 mm. Chamfer inside and out, lube and run through the resizing die. Now you have 24.95 mm brass. With this brass you will need to use a shell holder for .223 as the 7.62x25 case head is slightly smaller.

With high quality new brass from Starline being readily available and affordable, https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/762x25-Tokarev-Brass/ if you value your time as more than minimum wage slave labor, I cannot understand why ANYBODY would persist in the effort to make cases from 5.56 only to have the pistol put the results of your efforts into low earth orbit over Ohio... just sayin'

Don't see much point in bumping an 8-year old thread either.

If you want proven accurate and reliable data for the Hornady bullet, use Starline brass, CCI 500 and 7.4 grains of AutoComp.

Velocity Test Data for 7.62x25 in TT33 Pistol

Handloads in Starline cases with CCI500 primers

Ammunition Description___________Vel@15ft., Sd, ES n=10

____________________________________TT33, 4.6”
Romanian Type P Ball, Factory 22, 1984____1461 fps, 27 Sd, 76ES
Yugoslav PPU Ball,_____________________1310, 26 Sd, 66ES
Hornady 86-grain SP, 7.4 grs. AutoComp___1353, 20, 71
__________________________________________________ ____

[GONRA]

GONRA sez - listen to Outpost75. I use Starline brass in my CZ52's for all kinds of crazy stuff......