30-06 powder?

[jeff423]

I'm almost out of Varget for my 165 gr Core - Lockt bullets. I've been using 41.4 gr. from the Hornady manual. Before I buy another lb. I was wondering if anyone had a suggestion for a different powder that would be good at 2400 - 2500 fps?
I was thinking about 4831 so I could go from the fastest burning rate to the slowest and see if there was a difference?
This would be used for plinking and white tails.

Jeff

[docone31]

Jeff Bartlett has 4895 that I use a lot.
It is kinda like Varget, definately inexpensive, and works great. It is like 4064.
I have been very happy with it.

[stephen perry]

If your talking Cast Unique is a stand-by. If you are talking jacketed 4350, 4895, and 3031 to list a few.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

[roverboy]

I've only used IMR4350 and IMR4895 in .30-06 but they both work great. 4350 for hunting loads and in my Garand, 4895.

[Hardcast416taylor]

After I was given an 8 lb. jug of H-414 I learned to do alot with that powder in a wide variety of calibers.Robert

[Tom W.]

Reloder 15 is good, too.


I usually use Varget with 180 grain j-word bullets, because my rifle likes them. However ,since I had it rechambered to A.I. configuration, the powder that beats me the worst shoots the best. IMR 4350.

[jeff423]

Thanks for all the choices. I'll have to do some studying.

Jeff

[Heavy lead]

If your desire is to shoot 165 jacketed (which it appears you are shooting Remington CoreLokt at 2400 to 2500 fps pushed with Varget), I would suggest the 4895's, AA 2495 (really a 4895 type powder), R-15 as somebody suggested. My instincts are telling me the 4064's both IMR and AA need more pressure than the velocity you want, save the 4350's, R19, R-22, and the 4831's (along with AA 3100) for the 180's at full throttle.
Myself, I use AA4350 for the 150's and 165's, but run them at full throttle, I like R-22 for 180's pushed full throttle. I'm going to be loading some reduced 150 Hornady's and I think I'm going to see how 5744 works, I really want a 30-30 power load for this. However if I had some on the shelf, I think I would start with one of the 4895's.
Good Luck.

[stephen perry]

You can run full throttle loads with any powder. Not the best way to go on barrel, shooter, and accuracy. Running full throttle loads is giving up on load development and giving in to the devil. Doesn't take much creativity to take the max book load add 5 % and prey like hell the stock doesn't disassemble in your face. You need more from a rifle go with a larger caliber instead of exceeding published data.

Disclaimer filed in regard to full throttle just don't publish the load to keep others from adding 5 % to a full throttle load. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

[Heavy lead]

You can run full throttle loads with any powder. Not the best way to go on barrel, shooter, and accuracy. Running full throttle loads is giving up on load development and giving in to the devil. Doesn't take much creativity to take the max book load add 5 % and prey like hell the stock doesn't disassemble in your face. You need more from a rifle go with a larger caliber instead of exceeding published data.

Disclaimer filed in regard to full throttle just don't publish the load to keep others from adding 5 % to a full throttle load. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR


Are you seriously serious? How could ANYONE in their right mind extrapolate my post above with suggesting someone run a loan 5% over max?
I'm not sure if you completely read other peoples posts based on your answers. By full throttle I mean NOT dangerous, or overmax loads, just loads using the full potential of the cartridge, capacity of said cartridge and the bullet weight, design, and style. When the gentleman was talking about a 165 grain CoreLokt bullet at 2400 to 2500 FPS, that is not running "full throttle". Take a note I did not suggest any loads, just powders I've used myself for different purposes.
Stephen, you say your here to help, your words, not mine, your caustic attitude, and failure to understand posts before commenting on them, then in turn replying in a passive/aggressive manner you do, while crying wolf at the same time is getting old.

I would like a mod to step in here and review both my posts to tell me if I'm out of line. I'm not sure who's assigned to this area, or I would pm you.
Let me know. I'm getting to the point I don't even want to post any more. I really didn't think any of my suggestions were, or are an issue, but evidently to Stephen Perry they are.

[wiljen]

7383 is good for 2500fps with 150gr Jacketed in the 30-06 and occasionally shows up pretty cheap. Try checking with Hi-tech as he gets small lots that never make the web page.

[45nut]

I saw nothing that suggested anything dangerous in your posts HL, nothing at all.

[sundog]

Jeff, 7383 is a most excellent powder for 168 BTHP out to 200 yards - that I have personally done. It chrono'd consistently in 10-shot groups at 2395 in a heavy barrel Mdl 70. I used it for high power and have done as well as 199-11X slow fire prone at 200. Other than being a very excellent mid range powder it is VERY forgiving on fouling. After an 80 round, several patches come out very black, and then, low and behold, NO copper fouling. Problem with this powder is that you cannot compress it. That 2400 fps load with 50.0 grains (full case) is all yer gonna get. This has been discussed here at length in other threads.

Check out the Hodgdon web page loading data for Youth Loads. Bullets are a little lighted, but you my find something that works for you.

No lapse in judgment, this quarter.

4895 would be a powder I would visit if I wanted to do do what you were asking about. May not be what you want, but it's worth a look.

[RKJ]

I also like the 4350's for my '06. Ive used AA and IMR with very good results and used the max loads published for both. I'm not using my 06 for plinking but for hunting and while I don't need that much energy/velocity (especially here in Missouri) I prefer it. I don't find the recoil particularly punishing. I am going to look at the Hodgdon site as I want to load up some .243 loads for my young grandson. Thanks all.

I was thinking after I typed and sent this that a cast load would start him off right and while I've got quite a bit of time (he's only 2 1/2) I am already wanting to try some loads for the rifle.

[jeff423]

Thanks for all the help. I'm looking for a light or less punishing load for plinking and whitetails. I started with a mid-range load from the Hornady book of 46.3 gr. of Varget under a Remington 165 Core-Lockt bullet. My Browning BBR does not have a recoil pad and it was not fun to shoot. I have since bought a Past recoil pad and cut the Varget back to 41.4 gr. It's a lot better now.
I've been shooting pistols for a while now but this is my first real experience with a center fire rifle.

Jeff

[GabbyM]

In general if you want lower recoil use a powder on the fast side for your cartridge and less of it.
Using the starting load of 4895 or even 3031 is a good place to start.

43 to 45 grains of 4895 will get you your desired velocity. 4895 works well at those pressure levels which is why we use so much of it in our cast boolit loads. Burn rate of 4895 is just a bit faster than VArget but it works much better in general at the lower pressures. Varget works better the higher you run it.

[Throwback]

4895, (IMR or Hodgdon), 3031, and 4064 are all good powders for the use you propose. I use 4064 and Varget almost interchangeably as they use similar amounts of powder for similar results. One will be randomly more accurate than the other in different bullet weights and calibers and I just go with the most accurate load. 3031 will be very accurate at the velocities you are seeking as will 4895. RL15 is in the same niche as 4064 and Varget but I generally do not get as good results. The one notable exception I found is in the .35 Whelen where it outperformed all other powders in accuracy and velocity with the Barnes TSX 225 grain bullets.

4831 will work OK but like 4350 it is better suited for heavier bullets at higher velocities. It gives you no advantage over the medium burning rate powders.

[TNsailorman]

I believe I read in powder resource data that H414 is just a ball powder version of 4350. I have used both in 30-06 and 8x57 and see no reason to dispute that as both charges are in the same vacinity---give or take 1 grain of powder in the 150 grain bullet weight. Heavier bullet weights do change that a bit.

[Moonie]

FYI Hodgden claims you can reduce H4895 loads to 70% safely.

[Char-Gar]

Like others 4350 is my "go too" powder for jacketed bullets a full snort velocities in the 30-06. But if you want to drop the velocity/pressure you are better off with any medium burning powder in the Varget, 4895 and 3031 range. You will have no problem finding what you want with those powders.

[mike in co]

You can run full throttle loads with any powder. Not the best way to go on barrel, shooter, and accuracy. Running full throttle loads is giving up on load development and giving in to the devil. Doesn't take much creativity to take the max book load add 5 % and prey like hell the stock doesn't disassemble in your face. You need more from a rifle go with a larger caliber instead of exceeding published data.

Disclaimer filed in regard to full throttle just don't publish the load to keep others from adding 5 % to a full throttle load. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

just one more shinning example of mr perrys lack of reloading skills and common sense. one more reason to put him on ignore. one more reason why he should not be on this site.

[emorris]

I usually try to use a slower powder for rifle except when loading for a shorter youth size rifle or smaller caliber or bullet weight. I seem to get better results when using a powder that gives a slower pressure curb rather than one that spikes quicker (All powder is quicker compared to how fast I can move and your results may vary). I like the H4831sc (short cut version). It is my go to powder for 270 win, and I have used it to load for a friends 30-06 with hornady bullets. I also like BLC-2 for use in .223 remington and 30-30.
I like IMR7828 in 7 rem mag. What I do before getting another powder is to check to see what else I can use it in. BLC-2 is a ball powder and some manuals suggest using mag primers with heavy charges. If I had to pick one for the 30-06 and similar cases it would be the h4831sc. It meters ok (extruded powder) and I have found that same load date for H4831 works as well (Hodgon also says the data interchanges), but if it is not broke dont fix it. I also have some mag pro to try but havent used any yet. The fun part of reloading is to find somthing that works and then find a way to improve it.

[Lloyd Smale]

I probably use more 4350 then anything in the 06 but do use 4831, 4895 and ramshot hunter and a few others once in a while too. Ive had some pretty good results with ramshot hunter lately and it meters well and is a bit cheaper then the rest.

[txbirdman]

I've had good luck with 4064 in the past with 150 gr. bullets but I'm going to develop a load with H4895. I'm trying to cut back on the variety of powders I'm using and 4895 works in a lot of different applications and calibers.

[excess650]

While 4895 won't give you the highest velocities with heavier bullets, it can be throttled back a bit with good results. IIRC, DuPont advertised that 4895 could be utilized with 2/3 charges and still maintain target accuracy.

4895 is also supposed to be good for Garands as its burning rate is easier on operating rods than slower burners.

My own 30-06s are getting cast bullets at the moment. The Rem 700 is shooting pretty stout charges of AA5744 under 200gr with excellent accuracy to at least 500m.