Carl Gustav 1914 Swedish Mauser carbine

[Hang Fire]

In gun shop today and came across a Carl Gustav 1914 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser carbine with walnut stock. The dark walnut stock was a little beat, but all matching numbers, original leather sling and good shiny bore.

They were asking $499.00 for it, but have to admit, was a sweet handling little guy and I was tempted rather badly.

[spqrzilla]

Over-priced. I'd try some hard negotiating.

[scrapcan]

Have a look at Dutman's site and determine which model it is. I would be Dutchman will be along soon if you have more questions. It sounds to me like it could be the model 94 with maye a new barrel fit, but Dutchman can tell you what it is.

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/

[Hardcast416taylor]

If it is a model 94 carbine with the very short original barrel, I would latch on to it. Tell me how many other carbines like this you have seen actually for sale or butchered up?Robert

[Dutchman]

There are several factors that can affect the value of a Swede carbine. If you don't know what they are then you wouldn't think to notice them. Without knowing more it's hard to say exactly but $500 may not be overpriced when compared with the average market price in the U.S.

I'll give you a couple examples.

1898 dated Carl Gustaf m/94-14 carbine. Fairly beat up. $1,200 at auction. Why? First year production with very low surviving examples.

A carbine with an S-prefix to the serial number is either a skolsjutningskarbin (school carbine) or was one that was rebuilt as a standard carbine: http://dutchman.rebooty.com/skcarb2.html

There are also m/94 carbines with a K-prefix though highly unlikely in the U.S.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/kamkar.html

Weapons officer's carbine: http://dutchman.rebooty.com/officer-carbine1.html about $3,500+ in the U.S.

Carbines dated beyond 1918 can bring higher prices as general production stopped in 1918 but some dated 1927 and 1932 can be found.

You can't generalize about Swede carbines. They've been one of the hottest vintage Mausers for 15 years or so. I would tend to agree the market prices are outlandish but the market does set the value of such a collectible.

Original carbine slings can bring $100 by themselves but you need to know how to tell the difference between a genuine carbine sling and a m/96 sling that was modified to be used on the carbine with it's sling buckle.

There were 15,000 carbines made by Mauser in Oberndorf dated 1895. Believe it or not these carbines are not the most sought after as there are many more surviving examples. Also Carl Gustaf m/94 production started in 1898 but they were not produced in every year through 1918. Production was fairly limited. And be aware there are m/96 rifle receivers built into fake carbines.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/fake.html

m/94 carbine serial number database. Only one like it in the world. All these carbines were reported to me, not collected from other sources. At the bottom of the page is a year-to-year listing detailing production.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/94swede.html

None of this is of much use if you don't do your homework prior to finding a carbine. You can get snookered or lucky depending on how much research you've put into this. It can also be a strange situation as it's not always what causes carbines to be worth so much but also what denigrates the collectibility and destroys value.

Carl Gustaf m/94-14 dated 1916 with elm stock, all matching numbers, with new bayonet. All in "new" condition, stone mint and 100% legitimate = $1,000 and this was 10 years ago. I walked past this carbine at 3 gunshows in Indianapolis. It finally sold. Today it would be about $1,800-2,200 for condition alone and the fact that elm was used only 1915-1916-1917 and then it was sporadic with surviving examples in varying condition. There are many "as-new" m/94 and m/94-14 carbines floating around the U.S. today.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

Carl Gustaf m/94-14 dated 1915. This is my carbine and is 100% matching and untouched. The unit disc identifies it as having belonged to "KI". This is the Liv Guard, the 1st Kavalry Reg't. These are the lads were guard the royal palace in Stockholm. Today, still, with carbines.

http://images28.fotki.com/v964/photos/2/28344/157842/DSCF0005lg-vi.jpg

http://images52.fotki.com/v1553/photos/2/28344/157842/DSCF0006lg-vi.jpg

[scrapcan]

Dutchman,

Your two posts are exactly why I referred the OP to your site. Hard to get more info than what you provide to us.

I thank you for giving out the info.

[txbirdman]

Dutchman, have a carbine just like yours except on the stock disc the number is 442. S/N on mine is HK 601XX. All numbers match but it's been "bubba'd" a bit. Can you give me some history on this carbine. I've had it for about 20 years and killed a few deer and more than a few coyotes with it.

[Hang Fire]

As you stated, I am not really a Swede collector, especially so not a knowledgeable one.

If the wife (wedding dress shopping for our upcoming 50th anniversary retaking of vows) had not been in such a hurry, I would have attempted to write down some info.

The sling, like the rifle was far from pristine, (except for bore) old cracked leather and verdigris brass fittings. The tarnished disc was very similar to your pic. There was also considerable info on a piece of paper that appeared to be varnished onto the stock just in front of the disc. Again, wish I had observed more closely.

If I get back over and still there, I will take another look and with shop owner's permission, get some pics.

[Hardcast416taylor]

Dutchman. Is the barrel extending from beneath the front sight part of the barrel or a piece welded on to make it legal like mine?Robert

[Dutchman]

The extensions were installed so the barrel length was legal to import prior to 1968. Some are pressed in. Apparently there were different methods to do it.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

There was also considerable info on a piece of paper that appeared to be varnished onto the stock just in front of the disc.

The yellow decal with sighting correction information.

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/traj.html

http://images17.fotki.com/v529/photos/2/28344/1676633/traj2-vi.jpg



Again, wish I had observed more closely.


You have to know what to look for in the first place. The firearms field is so large it's easy to understand why guys pick a slice of the pie and stay there. It can be difficult unless you develop a deep interest in one particular area and dig for the details.


Dutch

[Dutchman]

Dutchman, have a carbine just like yours except on the stock disc the number is 442. S/N on mine is HK 601XX. All numbers match but it's been "bubba'd" a bit. Can you give me some history on this carbine. I've had it for about 20 years and killed a few deer and more than a few coyotes with it.

1915 was the year of highest carbine production. WW1 started in 1914 so the Swedes geared up production for their units that weren't primarily infantry. The carbines were also used by artillery regiments, engineers, navy onboard ships, etc.

HK is the military inspector. It's not part of the serial number though a lot of people make that mistake. Bubba'd carbines are a lot like fallen women on Hollywood Blvd on a friday night. They get a lot of people looking but not much action from the serious collectors as it will never be made whole again. A stock set alone can bring $350.

Dutch

[azcruiser]

Love this stuff Just spent an hr on Dutchman site .I have 2 swedes one long ?MOD 96 The other looks the same but shorter.Only thing with them for me was the ammo was kind of pricey then I started buying the gallery rounds from Samco like 20 bucks for 200 and pulling the copper pellets
off the ends and reloading the primed cases pretty easy and they seem to work as good as new primed cases so now its cheap to shoot even cheaper with cast bullets fun fun fun

[Nose Dive]

The "DUTCHMAN" knows dem Swedes...bank on his 'data'...

Buy one but first..get his OPINION... He KNOWS the swedes...

But,,,get one...they are the SECRET of American rifles...(sorry Dutch)

Nose Dive..

[Buckshot]

"1898 dated Carl Gustaf m/94-14 carbine. Fairly beat up. $1,200 at auction. Why? First year production with very low surviving examples."

http://www.fototime.com/F7CFFC486CBC4B9/standard.jpghttp://www.fototime.com/FC295ACE5DC8A99/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/89D4F307D3DE1EF/standard.jpg

Like this one? :-) Except it's not a M94-14, but we've already discussed it. All matching and too bad the PO had to refinish the stock, but for $150 I thought it was okay!

.............Buckshot

[JollyGreenHH53]

I recently inherited this Mauser carbine and cannot seem to find the date of Manufacture because of the overstamp. I spent over and hour online trying to find the S/N series (mine is 91758). There is a 758 stamped on the bolt but different numbers right side of front site and right side of swival ring (my name for it). It is a Carl Gustaf, but that is all I can find out. Any suggestions on finding the year and history of this type carbine? Thanks, JG

[Dutchman]

hello JG

The carbines had their own serial number series so it's easy to date one of the Interarmco carbines.

I'm going to guess that your carbine has a bayonet attachment which would make it a m/94-14. There are some carbines later than 1914 that have no bayonet attachment and those would be m/94 carbines. See the link below to see the difference.

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/94carbine.html

This page below shows the different front sight protectors and bayonet mounts:

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/nosep.html

The sling "swivel ring" is the lower band. The sling bow is on the left side while the m/96 rifles have the sling bow on the bottom.

Having a couple/few mis-match parts is not uncommon. It sounds like either your bayonet lug attachment is mis-match and the lower band.

If there is no unit disc on the stock there is no way to know any history of the carbine. A unit disc would tell what branch of the military and from that we could know the location in Sweden where it spent time. Without the disc...? Could've been an artillery unit, cavalry unit, supply corps.


http://dutchman.rebooty.com/94swede.html

1917:
86545
88417
89442
89842
91758 <-----------yours
92174
92317
93599
94533
94721
95040
97091
97485
97751
97861
106158

hope that helps
Dutch