H&R martini mixed marriage

[jbunny]

i,ve been busy, here is a pic of my project. i bought this action for $100
and barrels up here are at least 6 months to get and a second mortgage
on ur house. i performed the marriage rights yesterday. now to build the stock
and try to put a safety on this beast, 1878 date. antique status.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/MOUICH/HRmartini.jpg

[Buckshot]

.............I've got a couple Greeners left of the 4 I bought many moons back. IIRC it was Navy Arms who had them for $85 or some such. Put a ratchet rifled 577-450 barrel on one.

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Had to fab up a spacer between the barrel's shoulder and the action to get it to headspace up. You can see it in the left photo.

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The bore. You really can't tell much about the ratchet type rifling from the picture.

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This was one of the Greeners that had a safety lever. The whole rifle. You can't see it in the picture, but the safety lever(to left of cocking indicator) has been heated and bent back so your thumb may either flick it up (off) or down (on). I checkered the formerly smooth surface using a thread chasing file :-). This is in .444 Marlin, and I REALLY need to cut off that rollover cheekpiece as it's a killer!

Of the 2 remaining actions one is a thick ring (smaller bbl shank) and the other is a thin ring, which I think means it was a shotgun? I have a 38-55 barrel for it, and for the thin ring I'd like to chamber it for the 577 Snider or maybe a 50-70. I'll probably kick the bucket before I get around to doing either :veryconfu

BTW, both Martini buttstocks were bought from Fajen before Potterfield/Midway bought them and Bishop and screwed them both up. So now we've had neither for years, and they were SO nice to work with. At one time I was told that there was a shotgun buttstock that was a good replacement with a bit of work req'd to fit the action socket, but that info has long since departed my noggin'. Any idea what it might have been?

...............Buckshot

[jbunny]

Buckshot; those are nice. as for the shotgun stocks to fit the greeners, i
have no idea. i can,t aford to buy semi made stocks. i make mine from scratch
from cheap walnut plank. all i have localy is imported real open grain and a bitch
to finnish to fill the pores up. i,m retired so i have more time than money. LOL.
in case u have,nt noticed, i,m building all my guns in either 44 mag or 357 mag.
cost factor, everything is cheaper and the days of 458 win mag are over for me.:lol:
i catch myself flinching shooting my 22LR at times.:lol:
jb

[cajun shooter]

In the 60's Birchwood Casey sold a stock filler that work very well. It came in a kit with a piece of burlap that you used across the grain to fill the pores. Labor intensive is the word I was looking for.

[357maximum]

I also work with some less than tight pored walnut. I simply save all my used sanding pads as I am doing the final dry sanding. I then take them "filled" sand pads and wetsand the stock with tru-oil thinned with mineral spirits till the pores are filled and the stock looks like melted chocolate. I then let this dry and sand it flush several times. It is a gooey procedure but it fills stuff in quite nicely. I absolutely have to do this procedure in the winter time here, as our normal summer humidity makes tru-oil act like raw lindseed..........it takes forever and a day to dry properly in the summer so I save it for the wintertime. Good cure for cabin fever actually. The sawdust/oil mix actually makes the walnut purdier than it would be simply trying to fill the pores in with finish alone. Just an idea you may want to try.

Good luck....I am sure she will be purdy some day soon.:D

[jmh54738]

I have one of those actions left also, I just hate stock work so my questions were answered about a stock for my action. I don't even buy green bananas, so I don't want to wait for my cherry planks to dry. I used to like the heavy kickers but now prefer the 25-20 and 32-20. Hey Cajan Shooter, I used to take job training in Pineville LA, are you in Red Neck or Coon A__ territory? Great food in your land! I think that we need to establish an "Old Pfarhdt's Club". Nice looking rifle there, Buckshot.
John

[Frank46]

Think it was a model 12 winchester buttstock you were referring to. Hope this helps.
Frank

[Buckshot]

Think it was a model 12 winchester buttstock you were referring to. Hope this helps.
Frank

.............Frank, I found one at GPC :http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=57440&catid=7427

While $64 isn't bad at all for what it is, the wrist seems a bit short? Like fitting it into the action socket wouldn't seem to leave much wrist to get ahold of :-) Too bad they didn't have a cheap one of Birch or Beech as I'd buy it to check out.

..............Buckshot

[Frank46]

Rick, think it was Frank De Hass that mentioned using the model 12 buttstock on the large framed martini actions. Frank

[jbunny]

butstock for my martini. yesterday at 9;30 i slaped this bandsawed shape buttstock
in my mill and shaved 1/2 in off. i then whent to work with a flapper wheel in
my 5 in grinder. in 2 hrs it was done. i had inleted and drilled the tru bolt a few months ago. this is what she looks like after 3 coats of 50-50 mix of boiled lineseed
oil and turpentine with a good glug of japan drier. the tiger stripes is the toilet bowl
cleaner and steelwool trick.
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[Buckshot]

...............Looks good so far. How deep do those stripes soak in?

.............Buckshot

[jbunny]

not very deep. u can sand them off easy. after u put the finnish on u can't rub them off. what i need is a chemist to tell me what i could add to this acid solution to make it bead or thicker. this spreads like a drop of gasoline . imposible to make a real fine line. this is what it looks like when first applied. and after 3 coats of linseed oil
u could just barely see thr lines. but next morning u saw the pic. i have tried useing artist brushes with all the bristles cut with only 2 or 3 hairs left and it still makes
a wide stripe cause u have to keep dipping and overlap. this time i tried makeing
a felt pen type aplicater. i tried soft leather in the nozzel ,no flow. bluegean material
was drip-drip. then i used a peice of shoelace end with the heatshrink tip. don,t
be silly, i didn,t cut my boot lace, my wife has at least 400 pair of shoes. this worked.
i have to try a sponge next time and try and get the burl effect.

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in this next pic is the internal workings of a martini and greener action,
i was studying how the greener safety worked. the heel of the breach block is
what puts the safety on when droping the lever. the greener safety could be
made in the martini. i have anothe idea that i have to check out.
later jb


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[jmh54738]

I am impressed! You have encouraged me to start wacking wood chips. I'm left handed also.
Nice work.
John

[jbunny]

it,s a long way from perfect. i,m not left handed, i just put a cheek peice on both sides. i just came in from the shop and i thought some of u might find this interesting.
i just made a new cocking indicator shaft for this beast. the white stuff on the shaft
is soapstone like what welders mark steel with. u rub that on carefully where u don,t
want silver solder to flow . u can see where the silver solder stopped after penetrateing thru. are,nt these digi cameras neat. i,m going to a swap meet in the next city south towmorow 80 miles away and sunday is our club swap meet. nothing will get done for a few days. i hope i can get back home tomorow night as we have
277 forest fires burning in the interior. the smoke is so thick it they had to cancell
a whole lot of flights.
jb


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[JMtoolman]

Buckshot, I made a saftey for my Martini sporter a couple of years ago. I made a round pin through the action and bearing on the underside of the sear, holding it in a full cocked position. It has a long arm on the outside of the action, a 90% turn of the arm brings a part of the pin up to the sear where a slot is milled in the round pin to clear the sear when pulled. A spring loaded pin in the arm matches divots in the action to provide a positive safe, and fire positions. A larger flat headed screw holds this pin in from comming out of the action. Two pins in the action limit how far the lever can move. A SAFE and FIRE words were ingraved into the steel to indicate the positions. Best regards, John the toolman.

[jbunny]

here is the working proto type of my martini safety. yes it cams the fireing pin back
when u put the safety on. still have to make a v spring for the saftey lever shaft
that will set against the shaft to stop it in the right place.
the saftey is on in this pic.
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safety is off, ready to fire.
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fired
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