Gator Check buy?

[dot6]

Just bought several boxes of Hornady gas checks again......Ouch! When are we going to run a buy of Gator Checks from the good Doc?

[MGySgt]

I would be in for 5,000 45 rifle.

Drew

[Edward429451]

Any idea of the projected price? I'd want 2K at least. Maayybe more depending on price and work load that week...

Edited to add...Oh we're prolly talkin all calibers eh? I could use some 30's and prolly some 44's at the same time in addition to the 45's. Jump in here you guys! Maybe we can get em by Christmas if we act fast.

[SharpsShooter]

I'd probably be in for 1k of 30cal, 1k of 32cal and 1k of 45cal. if the price is reasonable

[LIMPINGJ]

We need enough 348 owners to get in so Gator will tool up for them.
Jim

[C A Plater]

Hmm, I could use some for a .405 (.412) and 8mm and that ranch dog .44 will be needing some. Better get enough to last a while so that would be 5K each. Then you can never have too many .30 and .35 checks. Oh oh. This could put a real dent in my wallet.

[Beau Cassidy]

I am in for 10K .348's and .405's and at least a duplicate of my previous order and I haven't used the first one from the last order. Hey Felix, Ya Listnin? That oughta be a good jump start. I'm only 38 and they are going up waaay faster than inflation. By the time I get to retirement age (is there such a thing?) they'll be a dollar a piece!

Beau

[steveb]

I'm only 38 and they are going up waaay faster than inflation. By the time I get to retirement age (is there such a thing?) they'll be a dollar a piece!




The price of checks are getting right out ridiculous. I'd be interested in some for the 357Mag, 44Mag,and 30/30. Maybe group buys on these is the only way I will be able to afford any.

[keeper89]

I don't know if Sir Felix could be expected to run another gb this soon...it has to be a logistical nightmare.....still, if it were to happen I would be in there for 2-3k of 30 cal and 3-4k of 8mm---but I can wait until Felix feels ready to take it on once again...would groveling help?:twisted:

[Ranch Dog]

I would be interested in the Gators as I'm not real happy with the quality of the last couple of boxes of the Hornady's. I would be interested in trying something else.

[Hip's Ax]

I'd jump in for at least a couple of thousand 30's.

[dragonrider]

Ya I could use some 45, 35, 30 ,8mm, 7mm, 375. 22, at least a thou of each but more likely 2 thou.

[James Wisner]

I would be in for at least 5M of 50 rifle gas checks.

I thought I had enough, and then I had to use another 1500 checks, so my stash is looking mightly small now.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

[BruceB]

Yeah, I had about ten thousand GCs in the last Gator group buy, and it wasn't even ONE DAY after they arrived, that I started wishing I'd ordered both more quantity and more sizes.

You folks do realize what Felix had to organize? It was about 1.5 MILLION checks and $14,000, by the time it was all done. His organization work was exemplary, and it all ran very smoothly....but that's ONLY because of the extreme effort he and his Missus put into the task.

Just be aware that this will be no casual undertaking, anymore than the first go-round was. The numbers are already mounting up, and will undoubtedly be at least equal to the first buy. I wouldn't blame Felix if he wants someone else to handle the next one. All the PMs and Emails back and forth to each individual buyer are very costly in personal time, too.

Once again, Felix, thanks for your dedication and wonderful control of that vast undertaking. We really appreciated it...then and now.

[felix]

Thanks, Bruce, for the thanks, and from the rest of you folks too. There were three smart folks the last time around, and Beau was one of them. Smart meaning they were gifted to see the metals market and did something about it. Just maybe I will be up to it again soon. How soon? Don't know right now. ... felix

[Ron in PA]

I could use a couple thousand 30 's

[txpete]

30 and 44 here.
pete

[bobthenailer]

ill take 2000 /357 and 3000 /45 , bob

[ron brooks]

I am in for at least 5000 30 caliber, probably more depends when the order goes in.

[475/480]

Count me in
.41 -- 5000
.416 --5000+
.475--5000+
.500--5000+
.510--3000

Sean

[felix]

I had a conversation with Larry this morning. His alloy cost is at 6 bucks per pound, not delivered. The material might come down in price towards the end of the year, but that is a chance probably not worth taking if checks are needed right now. So, lets think about one caliber at a time to make things easy to purchase, manufacture, and ship. This time around, let's pick a HONCHO per caliber. It seems the current demand is for 30 caliber. ... felix

[9.3X62AL]

I'm totally unfamiliar with Gator Checks, excepting what I've read here on the Board. If someone could provide contact info, I would be willing to honcho a couple calibers. Not entirely altruistic here, I'll need a good stash of 6mm/243 checks to get past the Hornady deletion of this size from their product line. With Hornady taking this tack, I suspect Gator Checks will get significantly more business sent their way.

[ktw]

So, lets think about one caliber at a time to make things easy to purchase, manufacture, and ship. This time around, let's pick a HONCHO per caliber. It seems the current demand is for 30 caliber. ... felix

Would it be possible for one person to collect all the money and place the order, then have the manufacturer ship by caliber to sub-honchos who handle redistribution?

Either way, I would be willing to honcho a caliber. Preferably 30 or 45.

How are they packed by the manufacturer? Did you simply repackage manufacter bags/boxes?

-ktw

[felix]

Best way to do it would be for Larry to ship a box full of loose checks per caliber. That box would be the 8 dollar flat rate box. Naturally, a single box would have to be shorted for the smaller calibers, and vice-versa for the larger calibers. We should take our time with this because Larry does not want to be working on more than one caliber at a time. This is because of the cost unknowns on his part. Slow and easy does it, for all concerned. Per individual to the honcho, we should insist of a 5K minimum per caliber. We cannot worry about nickles and dimes here either. In other words, if you need the checks, you need the checks by resting assured they will be cheaper than from any other source and of much higher quality. ... felix

[felix]

Sub-honchos won't work because of the postage costs. I mulled over and over that concept when I had a million plus checks on the floor here. Calculating postage costs was a major part of the computer program I wrote. It was dead on for some calibers, and completely off on others because of the extra protection required for heavier shipments. On average, though, I did not get behind on the total costs for the shipments on the whole. ... felix

[Cayoot]

I didn't get in on the last gator check buy. No way I'm missing out on this next one! I'm in for .30, .35, .44 and .45.....so I'm fine with one caliber at a time...it'll allow me to buy more gas checks per caliber.:drinks:

[jballs918]

hey guys i use a ton of 323. im willing to honcho these. if someone could either pm me the info or post it here i would be more then willing to head this side up. i know felix has alot of info in sending them i will pick his brain when it is time. i think the 323 wehre pretty common in the last buy if i recall. we may have to start a new sticky for them if and when we decide on them

[45nut]

Once someone is final on "honcho-ing" a size please let myself or Willy know so we can make the changes to your handle if needed.

[Char-Gar]

I have yet to shoot my first Gator check from the last batch (I am using up my Hornadays), but I am always good for 5 to 10K more 30 cal checks. I plan on living long enough to use them.

[eka]

I'm in again.

.30's and .44's, let me think a little on how many.

If needed, I can take on a caliber to help out. Just say the word.

Keith

[kenjuudo]

I could use 10-20 k 30cal.

jim

[Johnch]

I would go for 5 K more 30 cal .
Just finished the last Hornady box of 30 cal I hope to ever use .


I could use 2 K of 50 pistol , probely have to split a 5 k order with someone .
Also I could do the same with 475 if he produces them .

Johnch

[steveb]

We should insist of a 5K minimum per caliber. We cannot worry about nickles and dimes here either. In other words, if you need the checks, you need the checks by resting assured they will be cheaper than from any other source and of much higher quality. ... felix

Felix,do you mean 5k minimum order per person ordering checks or at least 5k per caliber. Just want to make sure. Trying to get my ducks in a row.

[Tom Myers]

I could use
2K of .375,
1K of 30-cal,
1K of 25-cal,
1K of 38-cal pistol

Tom Myers

[felix]

Steve, not sure right now, but think of this. If we have a honcho per caliber, it would be nonsense for you to order only 1K of that flavor and pay the postage of at least 5 bucks. Attatching 5 bucks to 5K of 243, for example, the hurt isn't as bad. ... felix

[Newtire]

I would be in for 5k each of 30 cal & 44 cal.

[Calamity Jake]

Count me in again!!
22 Cal 5k
6MM 5k
6.5 mm 5k
7 mm 5k
30 cal 5k
8MM 5k

This tread needs a sticky

[keeper89]

This new gb just might help run up the metals market--again!!!:-D :-D :-D

[Old Ironsights]

Just call me confused, (Hi Confused!) but since I've never used a check, (I don't even have a lube-sizer yet) which should I buy for .357 for future loading?

I've got a Lyman 158gr SWC and the new 358-180 CF on the way.

I'm sure 5K would probably last me for a goodly bit, but other than that I haven't a clue.

[9.3X62AL]

Ironsights, we gotta get you sent headlong into at least the 20th Century. General apologies for the oversights of the past 50 years or so.

Felix--if the checks land in bulk, do you suggest weight-sorting to get as close to whatever number of checks a subscriber orders? As long as all agree that if I fudge in favor of the recipient a dozen to a hundred per 1000, I'm still willing and ready to do this bit. Again, a website addy for familiarization would help a lot.

[Old Ironsights]

Not really off topic, but most carny's weigh the huge numbers of tickets required for the big prizes.

Hell, everyone here (except me prolly) has some sort of fancy digital powder scale that could get you to within grains of an exact pound worth.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[felix]

Al, no problem. Use kitchen utensils, i.e., measuring cups and use a flat edge to scrape them off. My method is to lay out the entire lot into piles, counting the piles. If the piles come out to the correct number for the orders to be filled, then you are good to go. If not, then choose a smaller/larger cup. How many in a cup? Do each cup size, dump into a baggie each, and weigh each baggie at a grocery store with the latest and greatest electronic scale at cash register. Ideally, you want only one short pile of checks for the entire order. Say for 243, you probably want a measuring cup (after being scraped) that holds 250 checks. Thataway the last pile, the one that is short, will have an error of less than 250 checks. Just put those in your personal pocket and call it profit for doing a good job. Weighing each order will become a nightmare in short order. ... felix

[ron brooks]

As I said earlier, I would want at least 5K of 30 caliber, probably more like 10K, perhaps some other calibers. Do we have anyidea what the price per thousand will be? I'm sure it will bet the gong price for Hornadys.

Ron

[No_1]

I do a lot of inventory checks at work and use a "counting" scale. I find it very, very accurate. I place a container on it, zero the scale, put a counted amount of the item in the container, push a button labeled "sample", enter the amount and it does the rest. I find with smaller items such as very small cotter pins that the lager the sample is the more accurate the count is. It works for me and is very effective.

I remember a conversation with Felix about the last gas check buy and offerered to assist him with the next buy. I live in the southeast and would honcho a buy. I would prefer to honcho one that I have a matching caliber but would honcho one that I do not just to have an excuse to buy another gun....

Robert


Not really off topic, but most carny's weigh the huge numbers of tickets required for the big prizes.

[felix]

Yeah, Robert, I forgot as usual these days. Using such a scale you could knock out the WHOLE group buy in no time. Time willing on your part, though! ... felix

[fatnhappy]

I could use 10-20 k 30cal.

jim

me too

[357maximum]

I'm very interested in 35&44 caliber checks....they seem to dissappear rapidly around me for some reason..

[GregP42]

After the last group buy I found out that I did not get near enough 41 gaschecks, now I just need to remember what size they were! And I will need some for .22 this time around also. But doing them one at a time will really help me out on being able to get them.

5k .41 (need to figure out which .41 it was!)
5k .22
2k .30

Yea that looks about right, I should probablt get a few 7mm and 6.5mm, but I don't load for them right now.

Greg

[jtaylor1960]

I am interested in some 348 checks.They are getting hard to find.

[Junior1942]

Put me in for 2k to 5k 30 caliber. That's 2k if there's no minimun.

[Hip's Ax]

I'll gladly up my intention from "at least a couple of thousand" to 5000 30 cals if thats the deal. :-D

[felix]

ALL GASCHECK TALK GOES TO THIS THREAD, PLEASE.

Before we get carried away with this, I will be the ordering guy again. I will write a computer program to handle the input from everyone. When the computer program is ready, I will so indicate. The computer will ask for the normal stuff required. Upon closing date for a caliber, the composite order will be placed by me with Larry, the Gator. Before delivery of the checks to the Honcho, money will be sent from the Honcho to Larry. Larry is a busy guy and probably won't enjoy being pestered. He CANNOT keep a manufacturing schedule because his is a full time doctor. ... felix

[Old Ironsights]

Ironsights, we gotta get you sent headlong into at least the 20th Century. General apologies for the oversights of the past 50 years or so.

Comes from previously only reloading .45ACP for USPSA and .454 Casull for occasional Grizz - none of which I ever checked.

Now that I have an M92 in .357 I need to push that little180 pill much farther and I'm feeling the general cosensus is that anything over 1200 or so is going to lead without a check - so I'd better figure it out.

[jeff223]

i would be in for some 35cal and some 44cal checks

what is the price per 1000?

[Edward429451]

If we're going to do this one caliber at a time, my preference from most needed to least needed from top to bottom is

45
44
35
30

Order amounts to be determined by pricing.

[beagle]

Felix.....

I'm in for about 3K of .348s and 5K of .22s./beagle

[cubrock]

I'm in for .357, .44 and .454. I can do 5,000 each if that is the minimum. Those quantities ought to last me at least a little while. [smilie=1:

[libbyman]

Felix,
Will 6.5mm checks be on the menu this buy? Last time the 6.5mm were
deleted.

Ken in nw Mt.

[Lee W]

I'm in.
5K 22
5K 45 pistol
The last GB was very well done, Thanks Felix :drinks:

[felix]

Not sure as of now, Ken. ... felix

[Beau Cassidy]

Felix,

You said a couple of pages back that it cost Larry $6/100 for his material now. How does that compare to the previous order?

Also, you indicated that the current need would be for 30 cal. No problems here. Looks like we are going to need a pole.

And trying to look back thru the cobwebs in my head, I believe tooling cost for larry to bring a new caliber online was what? $600 or $800. It was pretty high. As I recall it was something pretty cost prohibitive.

Beau

[BruceB]

Beau, ol' man;

NO, it wasn't $6.00 per 100 checks for material, it was $6.00 per POUND of copper alloy, without the shipping charges to Larry added-in.

Hmm... at three grains or so per check, we're looking at 2000 per pound or thereabouts. Varies wildly according to diameter, of course.

Whenever this gets going, I will be making-up my perceived shortfalls in the last order, for danged certain!

[klausg]

I am up for 6.5mm, .22, .30, .357, & 44 at least 2K each; I may have to pare that list down if minimum order is 5K, depending on the funding situation at the time.

-Klaus

[felix]

2 bucks per pound the last time around. A factor of THREE! Electricity doubled. He should try and keep his profit margin at least 50 percent above costs, which include helpers, busted dies, time away from family, etc. Keep in mind also, that if we want another caliber, it costs 600 bucks for the dies. And, this was about a year ago now, so the dies for 348 checks might have increased significantly too. ... felix

[Beau Cassidy]

I like your figures much better. It is still a lot. Glad I got what I did.

Beau

[MikeSSS]

I'm in for 6.5mm, 30cal and 8mm. Number of K depends on price and what I can afford. I'm retired now, that changes things a bit. Zip is 78250.

[snowtigger]

I would be in for 2000- 5000 35 cal Gator checks......

[No_1]

I will help in any way you need.

R.

Yeah, Robert, I forgot as usual these days. Using such a scale you could knock out the WHOLE group buy in no time. Time willing on your part, though! ... felix

[Ranch Dog]

Okay... went through my inventory and would order a minimum of 1K each, more depending on the price...

22
30
32
35
375
44
45 (rifle)

[Poohgyrr]

Ummm, is there a difference between .35 pistol & rifle?? I'm thinking of the GB .35 that's coming - I want to try it in both my wheelguns and .356 Win.

[Cayoot]

I use .35 cal Hornady gas checks on both .35 Rem boolits and on .357 mag boolits. I can't see where there would be a difference.

[Griff]

I can use:
5,000 .30
2,000 .323
2,000 .410
1,000 .45

[jballs918]

just throwing this out for all you guys. im trying ot get a 323 buy going we have about 25k so far so please look up the gator 323 buy.

[felix]

After Jballs gets up to 50K I will contact Larry and see what his schedule is. I know he is working on 30's now for some commmercial and gun-club folks. ... felix

[guninhand]

I could use 6K .45, 2K 30, 2K 6.5

[Newtire]

After Jballs gets up to 50K I will contact Larry and see what his schedule is. I know he is working on 30's now for some commmercial and gun-club folks. ... felix

With all these topics to look at, work schedule, life in general happening, plus a real bad case of CRS, hope we get the final word when it's time to order. Want 5k each of .30 & .44 here.

[felix]

The order entry program is being written now by my brother's son. Keep the 323/8mm check orders coming via Jballs. Hold the others. ... felix

[Poohgyrr]

Hmmm, I'll need 5K each .35 and .44....

[500bfrman]

I'll take 5,000 of:

35's
44's
and of course 50's.

[LET-CA]

I'm good for 2,000 in 44 caliber.

[EDG]

I need to get in on this. At least 2000 suitable for .41 cal diameter that is .410
Ed

[Char-Gar]

Jballs... I am good for 2k of the .323..maybe more depending on the final pricing.

[felix]

We will know final pricing soon. Larry is doing the metal purchasing now. ... felix

[Jon K]

When will you have pricing?

7mm,30 cal,41 & 375

Jon

[felix]

Same time, hopefully. ... felix

[Wayne Smith]

Nobody has mentioned .338, and it looks as if I'll be going that way in the 8x56R. If there are other takers, I'm in. No way to do it for just my order, though.

[Cayoot]

I'll be going down that road with you Wayne....I'm just waiting to see the cost b4 I commit.

[CENTEX BILL]

Felix:

I need some 44 cal gas check. Count me in. Quantity depends on pricing.

Bill

[6pt-sika]

Nobody has mentioned .338, and it looks as if I'll be going that way in the 8x56R. If there are other takers, I'm in. No way to do it for just my order, though.

I'd be up for a couple thou if they'll work for my 33WCF .

[KirkD]

I would like to get 1,000 .410 diameter gas checks for my .40-82. What is the procedure ... I just joined the forum, so don't know what to do next.

[steveb]

Welcome Kirk:-D

[felix]

Kirk, just wait a while. We are contemplating on putting up a screen to take orders off of the net. The code has already been spec-ed out and sent to someone who loves to program this kind of stuff. The computer has already been chosen to do the job. The computer is a node within the master card network giving 100 percent uptime. No, there won't be any credit card usage at all. Just order taking to be given to a honcho (per caliber of gascheck). ... felix

[KirkD]

Excellent. I'll keep an eye on this thread then for further updates.

[500bfrman]

update?

[Hip's Ax]

Votes for the next caliber are being posted on the .323 thread.

[ShootingLead]

I'am in for 2K

[No_1]

Good evening. You are posting under the wrong thread. Please go to the Group Buy Section then look for the Thread labled GATORCHECH GB. Read the last post by me about today being the last day and post your desire there.

Thanks again,

Robert


I'am in for 2K