Just for giggles, anyone ever try this little Lee boolit in their Mosin Nagant

[Hang Fire]

When I saw it, I thought with a very light load, the little guy might make a fun 25 yard can buster, bunny getter, etc. It is a tumble lube 90 grainer which casts at .314", so should be a no muss/no fuss put together affair.

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/bullets/l31490sw.gif

TL314-90-SWC

[EMC45]

I plan to buy that mold for my .32 S&W and also use it in my 3 Mosins! Should have bought the other day when I was on Midway USA!

[rhbrink]

I have been eye ballin that one up Midway has them on sale right now. I shot some 110 condom bullets the other day in mine with a mild load of Bullseye just to fire form some cases and open up the case necks so that I could load some paper patch boolits. Could easily shoot under a 1" at 50 yards which suprised me that they shot that well and was thinking about how much fun they were and could be made into a usefull load for small game. Whenever I get those store bought bullets used up I'll switch over to some light weight cast and make me up some small game and plinker loads.
Richard
Missourians for Mosins

[mooman76]

Actually I have tried them in the Nagant but the Nagant pistol. They didn't shoot that great but no worse either.

[Shooter6br]

Use it in my 32 mag and 32 S & W Long I use Universal Clays Nice bullet

[Larry Gibson]

I shoot thousands of them in not only my .32 revolvers but also all of my .30/.31 caliber rifles. In the 7.62x54R I seldom even resize the case neck. I just camfer well and thumb push a .314 sized TL314-90-SWC cast of range scrap over 3.2 gr of Bullseye. No wad or filler needed. Velocity is right at 900 fps in the Finn M39. Accuracy is excellent. Wonderfull load for small game and plinking. I highly recommend this bullet with 2.7 - 3.2 gr Bullseye in all .30/.31 caliber cartridges from 7.62x39 up through the 30-06 in case capacity.

Larry Gibson

[Hang Fire]

I shoot thousands of them in not only my .32 revolvers but also all of my .30/.31 caliber rifles. In the 7.62x54R I seldom even resize the case neck. I just camfer well and thumb push a .314 sized TL314-90-SWC cast of range scrap over 3.2 gr of Bullseye. No wad or filler needed. Velocity is right at 900 fps in the Finn M39. Accuracy is excellent. Wonderfull load for small game and plinking. I highly recommend this bullet with 2.7 - 3.2 gr Bullseye in all .30/.31 caliber cartridges from 7.62x39 up through the 30-06 in case capacity.

Larry Gibson

You convinced me Larry, just ordered it from Midway.

[bruce drake]

I use LEE's 100gr RN (311-100-2R ) in my 303s, Arisakas and M-N rifles. I also use the mold for plinkers with my 7.62x39 chambered Mauser.

Sweet little plinker for 50 yrds and sometimes I pop the 100 yd target when people say that the little boolit won't make it there.

Bruce

[1Shirt]

I have shot that blt in both my Mosins, and in 30-30 (m94), with 5 gr of unique. Fun loads, but very easy to double charge. Decent accuracy to 50 in both cals.
1Shirt!:coffee:

[sisiphunter]

I agree with the Lee 100gr. Using it for a while now over 6 gr Unique for 1245fps ave. in my 303 no1 mk3's. great round for plinking, gophers and my 7yr old son to shoot from the bench. This was the only load I found to work, any more powder and it leads badly, any less and no accuracy. Fun little boolit anyway.

Also now Paper patching the Lee 120gr .308 in the Mosin with good results, still working out a few kinks though.

Matt

[dualsport]

Yes, I have. Got the mold for a .32 Magnum, but had to try it. Like Larry, used Bullseye, shot fine. Also have used the 311359 in a MN, a bunny would be in trouble out to maybe 75 yds.

[sleeper78]

Sorry for the blaspheme here but has anyone ever used a <gasp> jacketed 32cal 312 diameter bullet in the Nagant cartridge sitting on top of a load of Trail Boss? Any ideas on how to give this a try? I have some access to these bullets and this thread gave me the idea.

[PTB]

I have an old lee mould about 130 grns looks like an M1 carbine bullet and lots of AP 100 (herco?) may be worth a try.

[Ed Barrett]

I have used this mold for 7.65 Argentine with excellent results with a light load of 2400. great for plinking out to 50 yards.

[grullaguy]

Sorry for the blaspheme here but has anyone ever used a <gasp> jacketed 32cal 312 diameter bullet in the Nagant cartridge sitting on top of a load of Trail Boss? Any ideas on how to give this a try? I have some access to these bullets and this thread gave me the idea.

I tried a few jacketed 32s in my .303 the other day. I also tried some 0 buck press fit in a .303 case. Both loads were pushed by 6.5 grains of HS-6 which was what I had on hand.
In this instance and rifle, I had very good groupings with the buckshot but not as good with the jacketed 32s.
These old battle rifles have a lot of personality and what shoots good in one rifle might not in the next.

[mannheim bob]

I used to use .312 diameter 90 grain .30 mauser and .32 auto bullets over 13 grains of Red Dot in old Hansen Cartridge 7.62x54R cases. They had shallow primer pockets.

Shot fine, but the lee dies came with a .308 expander, so I asked for a .311 and that made it easier. The flat base and short bullet made it easy to buckle necks and get wonky looking cases.

I shoot ..30 carbin 110 grainers in my 7.5 Swiss, my .308 marlin Express and .30-06 and it works well over a case full of trail boss. Accuracy can be dodgy depending on the load. I am going to switch to Vihtavuori N110 (on advice of a friend) and see if that gets better.

I'll also be using N110 in my .416 Rigby with 325 grain gaschecked cast.

[mroliver77]

I have shot all kinds of pistol bullets and boolits in my rifles. Willbird gave me some 7.62x25 stuff that would not fire a long time ago. I pulled them down and loaded the powder and bullets in all manner of .30 cal rifles. They shot pretty good. Per a Lyman book from WW2ish I got some varmint loads for 30-30 and 30-06 with the fmj bullets going real fast. I was surprised by the fair accuracy and explosive effect when connecting a critter.

I have a e double ended wadcutter tumble lube that drops .3145ish and is a hoot with light charges of bulls eye. These can be cast out of pure lead and tl with about anything resembling boolit lube and will work well.
Jay

[legend]

mannheim bob,

Would you please explain the "casefull of trailboss" ?

thank you.

[azcruiser]

Works good with a little Trail Boss 10 to 12 gr for me .Then again I use that same powder charge with all my 762x54 -8mm mauser-6.5x55-303 brit and bullets from 90 gr to 210gr

[chrispy]

I have used a commercially cast 93gn RN lyman boolit in my 7.62x39 with 3.5gn of AP70n (nee unique) behind it. Shoots very well with it, as a plinker. Never measured the velocity or accuracy, but no tin can is safe at 70 metres.

Chrispy

[sleeper78]

Works good with a little Trail Boss 10 to 12 gr for me .Then again I use that same powder charge with all my 762x54 -8mm mauser-6.5x55-303 brit and bullets from 90 gr to 210gr

You use that charge of Trail Boss for all of those loads?

[res45]

I don't cast for the 32 cal. but this thread did interest me since I do cast and shoot for my Mosin M44. I was over at a friends house and he had some of the Hornady 32 cal. .314 LSWC it's similar to the Lee bullet with a bit more of a pointed nose.

I gave them a extra light coat of Lee Alox/JPW lube before loading them up with 5.0 grs. of Bullseye. I fired them out in the backyard range at 25 yds. and you could cove the 5 shot groups with a quarter. Pretty nice little load,not to loud and left my bore nice and shiny.

[Larry Gibson]

res45

Drop that load tyo 3.2 gr Bullseye and you'll be amazed at how much better it shoots.

Larry Gibson

[gotin]

I have a problem with this setup.
I got new PP brass, the Lee 7.62x54 die set with the bigger expander and the mold. I just cast my first boolits tonight, turned on the fan in the garage, so the Alox can dry faster and was all exited about trying it tomorrow.
Well, something is amiss - the boolit is too big for the neck, it will just strip the bands. That is when it actually goes inside the case, most of the time it will either get stuck in the seating die (too short and big) or tilt and get cut by the case.
What am I doing wrong?
Do I need a different expander? Or different seating die,maybe the pistol .32?

[Janoosh]

In 308 and 762x54, I don't resize. I just flair case "slightly" with the Lee universal expander. I have also used a Lyman M die. Then close bell to just grip boolit. I have used j-word bullets and load the same way. Also using 10-12 grns of Trail Boss. These loads cut cost and are great for plinking at 50yds and learning a certain guns "personality".

[gotin]

I guess I have to order the universal expander, the neck diameter is 308 even with the British 303 expander from Lee.
Probably the virgin brass I'm using is causing the problem.

[Larry Gibson]

Might want to get a Lyman .31 M dies.

Larry Gibson

[rockrat]

+1 on the .31 M die

[gotin]

I just ordered both Lee and Lyman, whichever works.
I can't handle the recoil of the surplus ammo anymore.

[azrednek]

Actually I have tried them in the Nagant but the Nagant pistol. They didn't shoot that great but no worse either.

I've shot various home cast and a few jacketed in my Nagant revolver over the years. I got it in a trade in the mid 70's. I honestly don't believe there is anything that will shoot well in it.

The best for me as far as shot to shot accuracy were the factory 32 S&W Short. It shot better for me than Fiochii 7.62 factory ammo.

[Buckshot]

..............The problem is with cast lead. Everyone making reloading dies (with the exception of RCBS and their "Cowboy" dies) KNOWS you're reloading jacketed bullets. Cast lead isn't on their radar :-) My Lee FL size dies would size my Graf headstamped (PP made) 7.62x54R casenecks to a .306" ID. I mean WOW! Even for jacketed stuff it took my breath away:roll:

Lyman has the best expanders if you have to expand, in their "M" type caseneck expanders. A shame to have to re-size a caseneck from an 'as fired' .316" (say) down to .306" and then expand it back up to .313" or so, eh? Ways simple and cheap to fancy and expensive to handle it however.

.................Buckshot

[Mooseman]

I prefer the RCBS Die set for Mosin ammo as it comes with both .308 and .311 Expander Balls...bell the case mouth a bit and they load nicely.

Rich

[TinCan Assassin]

Good to see you over here, MM!

TCA

[Frank46]

Years back I had some 32-20 jacketed bullets but no 32-20 to shoot them out of. I loaded up 20 argie cases with the origional bullet replacing the origional bullet and the full military powder charge. To say funny was an understatement. 1st shot goes off and nosedives about 50yds out into the ground. 2nd shot bullet never made it to the target. So after all the fun was over the range officer comes over and asks what was I shooting. I told him jacketed 32-20 bullets in an argentine mauser. He said he was watching through the telescope and the great majority broke up in a puff of dust. Even had a couple self destruct when they hit the target. Very inaccurate. Frank

[gotin]

The Lyman M die did the trick, shot 60 today. 3.2 gr of Bullseye pushed them to 830-900 f/s, depending on the primer - Remington LR were on the high end, Wolf LP were around 840.
Very nice, quiet, hit about 2" below aim point at 50 yards. No leading at all.

[mroliver77]

Now set your rear sight on 300 -600 yds and you will be dead on! Like you found out thwey are cheap and fun!
Jay

[odfairfaxsub]

idnt size and i use 3.2 gr unique as well

[Mohillbilly]

I got that same boolit in a sixpack , used it in my .30 cals from a blackhawk to 303 Brit 7.62x54 Rooshin, Carbine , M1 and 03a3 rifle 32ACP 32H&R , and my little Automag III. ( all sized to my bores) If there was a group buy for a Lee six banger I would get another. Lee discontinued these in the 6 pack years ago .

[gotin]

After I removed the bayonet of my Mosin it started shooting to the right. Some tapping with a hammer yesterday got it fixed, now I can hit the 2" vertical target post every time from 50 yards. Love this little boolit!
I shot at some phone books yesterday too - the thing went trough one, in the second it turned sideways and stopped like that halfway trough the third one. I did not have time to soak them, shot them dry.

[nanuk]

I shoot thousands of them in not only my .32 revolvers but also all of my .30/.31 caliber rifles. In the 7.62x54R I seldom even resize the case neck. I just camfer well and thumb push a .314 sized TL314-90-SWC cast of range scrap over 3.2 gr of Bullseye. No wad or filler needed. Velocity is right at 900 fps in the Finn M39. Accuracy is excellent. Wonderfull load for small game and plinking. I highly recommend this bullet with 2.7 - 3.2 gr Bullseye in all .30/.31 caliber cartridges from 7.62x39 up through the 30-06 in case capacity.

Larry Gibson



I am begining to believe this Larry Gibson guy has shot EVERY Caliber, EVERY Cartridge, in almost EVERY style of firearm

and I really like that it is frugal simple loads that are very often recommended!!!

I love this forum!