Remington 511P vs 521T?

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

What's the difference?

I see different type of peep, and pistol grip is different . . .

They take the same mags . . .

Do they have different barrels . . . heavier, longer on the 521?

I found this on line:
The 521T was advertised by Remington in 1951. Remington's top target rifle at the time was the Model 37 Rangemaster. The next step down was the 513T Matchmaster. In 1951, the 513T cost $46.30 without sights, $62.45 with Redfield 75 target sights. The 521T was a lower priced 513T, and cost $42.70 with a rear target sight only.

I recently bought a 513S which is the SPORTER VERSION of the 513 target rifle. In 1951, it was priced at $54.60, which is about $8.00 more than a Target version without sights, so I have been researching the 500 series Remingtons. (This would probably be equal to the Cooper or Kimber rifles today but in 1950's quality)

The model 37 Rangemaster was replaced by the 40x rimfire about 1955. In 1958, a 40x (now named the Rangemaster) cost $115.95 with sights, the 513T Matchmaster cost $60.05 with sights, and the 521T cost $54.95. The 40x and 513T had target rear and front sights, the 521 had a target rear and plain patridge type front sight.

Other Remington .22 prices in 1958 are as follows:
Model 510 single shot $23.95
Model 511 Scoremaster box mag. $31.75
Model 512 Sportsmaster tube mag. $35.95
Model 513T Matchmaster box mag $60.05
Model 514 Single shot $17.95
Model 521T box mag $54.95

This is a basic 500 series bolt action. Magazines are available from Brownells (a bit expensive at about $17, but may be found from other makers at about $10---check the internet). I found lots of them advertised, the 521, 513, and 511 mags are all the same---6 round.

Remington also suggested using the 521 as a hunting rifle, as some of their ads said you could easily remove the rear sight and mount a scope on it.


I had a 514BC as my first gun, and really liked it, but wished it was a repeater!

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

I have found this info on the 511, but nothing on the 521 . . .

The Scoremaster 511 series is a .22 caliber, bolt action, detachable magazine-fed rifle manufactured by Remington Arms between 1939 and 1963 and 1965 and 1967. The Scoremaster 511 has a 25" barrel, a one piece hardwood stock, and a blued metal finish.

As the Scoremaster 511 was manufactured before 1968, these rifles do not have serial numbers. A two or three letter date code (indicating manufacture date) is stamped on left side of the barrel next to the receiver.

The Scoremaster 511 was part of the Remington 51x series of rimfire rifles consisting of the Targetmaster 510, Scoremaster 511, Sportmaster 512, Matchmaster 513, and 514.

Variants:

511A (Standard; open sight mounted on the barrel)
511P (Peep sight mounted on the rear of the receiver)
511SB (Smoothbore for .22 LR shot cartridges)
511X (Improved sights)

Remington Scoremaster 511Specifecations:

Type Sporting and Target Rifle
Place of origin U.S.A.
Production history
Manufacturer Remington
Produced 1939 - 1963 (511A, 511P, 511SB), 1965 - 1967 (511X only)
Number built approx. 381,267
Variants 511P, 511SB, 511X
Specifications
Weight 5.5 pounds (Empty magazine)
Barrel length 25 inches
Cartridge .22 Long Rifle, .22 Long, and .22 Short
Action Bolt-Action
Feed system 6-round or 10-round detachable magazine
Sights Open or peep

I have seen mentioned that the 521 was a "trainer", and I'm not sure if that was for youths or adults . . .

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

Just got these this afternoon, and cleaned them up, the USPS people bent the peep on one of them!, but . . . I got it straightened out!

Does anybody know if these came with three different size apertures? As mine seems to have Large, and Med, and my Wife's has Large and Small sizes . . .

I also chopped 1.75" of the butt for my wife tonight, tomorrow morning, before it gets too warm we are gonna go and see what we can do with them!

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/Remington%20511P/Right.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/Remington%20511P/Left.jpg

I'm planing on chopping the barrel also for my wife, somewhere in the 19" - 20" range, and may also shave the forearm too . . .

[AZ-Stew]

Shawn,

I have, I believe, one each of all the 5XX series rifles. No, not all the variations on each model number, but all the models. One thing I see mentioned is the 6-round magazine for the 511 models. They also made a 10-round magazine for them. I have at least one of them.

I also have some of the WW shotshells for the smooth bore. If you haven't seen them. let me know and I'll photograph a couple and post them here. I remember shooting some of them at Boy Scout camp one year, shooting at reduced-size clay pigeons. Considering the small amount of #12 shot, it's a wonder any of them broke.

Regards,

Stew

[izzyjoe]

i may be wrong but isn't the 514 a just a little diff. than the 510-513 series rifles. the few that i have seen were.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

The 514 is basically a economy version of the 510, both single shots, and the 514 is/was offered in a BC model (Boys Carbine) which is what my first gun was.


My 511P shoots pretty good, at least with me behind the trigger, it is not the guns fault!

[richbug]

i may be wrong but isn't the 514 a just a little diff. than the 510-513 series rifles. the few that i have seen were.


Different enough that the bolts don't interchange. That makes them a different rifle in my book.

I have a half dozen of so of the various 510-11-12-13's, I never considered the 514 part of the series.

[SPRINGFIELDM141972]

My 514, economy or not, is undoubtly the most accurate .22 I have ever shot. That rifle will shoot just about any brand/model of .22 with good accuracy and some with amazing accuracy. The faster the better. I would not want to be the squirrel in a squirrel hunt within seeing distance. If it lives after being drawn down on it is my fault exclusively.

Regards,
Everett

[Bret4207]

IIRC the 521/M37 were completely different than the 510 series.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

Springfield, my 514 Youth I had when I was a kid was so great, (It's long gone now) it is the reason I bought the 511's, figuring on the longer barrel may be even more accurate, and the peeps with longer site radius would help too! Plus I liked the repeater option with these!

I just got done putting scopes on both of them, and I ended up only taking 3.75" off the barrel of my wife's, and 1.75" off the butt . . . gave it an oil finnish . . .

Here they are:
Mine with a Nikon Buckmaster 3X9 40mm
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/Remington%20511P/Rem511P22.jpg

And my wife's with a Tasco 3X12 40mm:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/Remington%20511P/Rem511PC22.jpg

[fourarmed]

The 521T has a lighter weight barrel than the 513T. It was sort of an entry-level match rifle with target sights, while the 510, 511, 512 rifles were sporter models. Of course, these rifles have been modified by everyone and his cousin, so all sorts of variations can be found. I put target sights on a 510 for my wife. We have a 200 yard gong that we shoot at for fun and friendly competition. I shoot my ex-military 513T against her 510, and sometimes actually win.

[AZ-JIM]

Does anyone know which one; the 521T or the 521TL is the junior model? The only thing I can find on the net says 521T junior model then when the web page opens it says 521TL junior model. Thanks.

az-jim

[garandsrus]

I shoot clay pigeons at 200 yds with my 513T. About 1/2 (or a little less) of the shots connect. The rifle is of course shot from a bench with a scope. It's probably the most accurate .22 I have.

John

[wiljen]

Does anyone know which one; the 521T or the 521TL is the junior model? The only thing I can find on the net says 521T junior model then when the web page opens it says 521TL junior model. Thanks.

az-jim


I have a 521-T. It is marked "The Junior Special" on the barrel on a scroll immediately over the model #

[AZ-JIM]

I have a 521-T. It is marked "The Junior Special" on the barrel on a scroll immediately over the model #

I must need to get my perscription checked! I saw the model number but cant imagine I missed the "junior special", mine is the 521T as well. I will have to look again. Although that would explain why the stock/lenth of pull feels extra short.

az-jim

[doubs43]

IIRC the 521/M37 were completely different than the 510 series.

The 521T was designed for younger or smaller shooters as a mid-range priced target rifle for those unable or unwilling to buy a Model 37. It uses the same bolt and magazine as the 513T which means the bolt is also the same as the 510, 511 etc. but NOT the 514. Many 521T rifles were sold to the military although none are marked as being military property that I'm aware of. The CMP sold a number of them just a couple of weeks back. They went quickly!

The 521T is very accurate and well worth owning. It was built using the 510 series action and is completely different than the Model 37.

[wiljen]

My 521T started life in the military and was sold to a scout camp where it was used for many years before they sold them off and my father brought it home. Years later, I got it. Through all that, it is still the best shooting 22 I've ever owned.

[izzyjoe]

the 514 has a different bolt, but i had a 513t, it shot great. i also had a 510, it shot very too, but i could never get over the reseting saftey. so in a weak moment i sold both off them. i used to shoot clay's offhand at a 100yds with the 510. i still have the 511 that i got from a friend, it was a parts gun. so i built a heavy barrel target rifle on the action. it's a GM barrel, and it's in a 513t stock. when i got the barrel from midway they had it listed as 1/16 twist, but when i got it, it was 1/14. so i went ahead and used it, well it's a turd for accuratcy. i've tried every kind of ammo, and the best it shoot's is stinger's, and not so hot with them. it's a gun that i can't afford to sell! :-|

[AZ-JIM]

I just looked again it's a 521-T no junior model, its a little short but I will deal with it. It has the front globe sight and the Lyman rear. I would like to use it for smallbore silohuette.... if I can see the rams at 110M! Next time I go plinking I will take it out and give a report.

az-jim