.50 Hushpuppy

[82nd airborne]

We got the .50 hushpuppy completed. we are surpassing both 500 s&w and .500 beowulf balistics in a 17" barrel. it is on a short action M70. I am currently making a custom floor plate that will allow it to take ar-15 mags with the 500gr cast and the 500 and 300 gr woodleighs. the 650gr api will just have to be fired single shot but its worth it! at 100 yards all the above loads were moa and very close to the same poi. as soon as i get it to take ar mags ill post the pics.
300 gr bullet @ 2300
500gr i just load with 14gr of trail boss at 1050fps for when i get the form 1 back.
650gr api at 1400fps.
once again a 17" barrel.
this makes me happy..............

[82nd airborne]

oh yea, and midway has the brass for $20 for 50pc.
makes it that much funner to shoot!

[Curlymaple42]

Yeh, uh, could you post details as to the caliber and such? I shoot a .50Beowulf AR. Whatever you are talking about sounds interesting!!!

[82nd airborne]

It'll handle any .510 projectiles, and its based off of the WSM's so itll handle almost twice the pressure of the Beowulf. You'll see what im talking about as soon as i can get some pics up. its got .005" more taper than the Beowulf so it pops right out of AR mags (holds 13 in a 30)

[Cactus Farmer]

+1 on the pictures.........Now that is an AR I can get excited about!

[RANGER RICK]

Pictures please !!!!

RR

[82nd airborne]

Here are a few of the pictures. I don't have the mag system finished yet, as i have other projects going on, but i figured i would post a few pics anyway. sorry for the photo quality, Im no photographer. The boolit is a lee 500gr.

[Artful]

That looks like same concept at BWE's "50 thumper"
http://www.bwefirearms.com/50%20Thumper.jpg
http://www.bwefirearms.com/HawgandSuppressor.jpg

much better than the .500 PHANTOM made out of expensive / elusive 500 Jeffery brass.

Can you put a picture up of your round with a 223 for comparison?

[82nd airborne]

yeah i can do that, acctually im not sure if i have any .223 layin around but i can put it up next to a .300 whisper and 7.62x39 if thatll help you.

[82nd airborne]

7.62x39, .300 whisper, and the .50 Hush Puppy, and for you Cactus Farmer, the .50 setting nicely in some ar mags.
That rifle is a little nicer than mine, I hate to admit it but its true.

[82nd airborne]

Theres also a thread in this forum about another .50 wildcat we made out of RUM cases. its titled "Just finished my .510 wildcat!!!!!" It has ALOT more power than this one, however we intended this one for use with a suppressor so any velocity over the speed of sound was not desired, and the fact that it fits in a short action is nice.

[M4Sherman]

Pretty cool concept. are you going to try to see how far out it is accurate?

[82nd airborne]

Its got about the same ballistics (a little better) as a 50-70 so there is some data on its trajectory, but I cant help to test a rounds limits once I get it in my paws. I'll post results as I get them. As of now the farthest ive grouped is 100 yrds and was pleasantly surprised, as i always have been with McGowan barrels.

[82nd airborne]

And, for the betterment of the group, dont buy a knoxx comp stock unless you're scope has some really really good eye relief.

[shooter93]

I didn't see the brass listed at Midway....is there a parent case it's made from?

[82nd airborne]

7wsm, it was on clearance last week, in the 50-75% off section. its back up to 31.00/50 now but still cheaper than most 50 wildcats.

[Artful]

You could use any of the WSM family of cases though - right?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/WSM_CAD.jpg/400px-WSM_CAD.jpg

[82nd airborne]

you could but they wouldnt headspace. 7mm is .04 or so longer than the rest so people wouldnt chamber it in .270s. I doubt you get any extra performance with that litte extra length, but i already had a 7wsm and lots of brass. I didnt find out about the length difference untill after the gun was finished.

[Artful]

Don't you just blow out the case then trim to length?

[82nd airborne]

no i cut it off right at the shoulder (1.7") i messed around with blowing the neck out first, but there was more hassel involved and cutting at the shoulder gave us a better wall thickness for headspacing. im sure if i tinkered with it, it could be done without much trouble, but i didnt really need the extra length as we have a longer version based on the rum. i start out with the 7 mm brass as is and trim it on a lathe. we just use a collet with a stop in it so the brass stops the same place consistanly so you dont have to move the apron on the lathe. it makes for a faster setup. awsome car by the way, what is that?

[Artful]

Wish the car was mine but it's not , got interested in them when "curves of steel" came to Phoenix art museum...

1938 Delahaye model 165 Figoni et Falaschi Cabriolet
http://www.coachbuild.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=50&g2_itemId=8087
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2121/875408.jpg

some other Delahaye's
1936
http://www.supercars.net/carpics/2328/1936_Delahaye_135FigonietFalaschiTorpedoCabriolet2 .jpg
1937
http://www.speedygrl.com/Racer/wallpapers/1937_delahaye_135_m_figoni_et_falaschi_cabriolet.j pg
1939 - notice you can crank the wind screen down like a window
http://www.calconnect.com/weekly_photo/1939_Delahaye_Cabriolet_165_HR.jpg
1948
http://www.khulsey.com/stockphotography/delahaye-135ms-cabriolet-1948.jpeg

[Milltown353]

I'm interested in your load data. I'm wondering if any of it would be adaptable for .50 Beowulf loads.

[82nd airborne]

well our parent case is rated for 15 or 20k? psi higher but um not getting any pressure signs and it sizes easeier than factory loads. ill pm you some loads

[82nd airborne]

oh yea, what bullet weight are you looking for?

[Dannix]

Those are some beautiful pics Artful!

The .50 Hush Puppy is now on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Hush_Puppy

[timbuck]

They deleted the article.

[Dannix]

They deleted the article.
Yeah. I couldn't object either as Wikipedia does not allow original research.


Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas, as well as any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, arguments, or conclusions.

The ridiculousness is that I could start a gun blog, blog about it, then cite that as the source, and if I did a professional enough job on the blog it would probably pass, and certainly would so if I had a big enough name. Really though, requiring published facts is moot when the barrier of entry to publish on the modern medium, the web, is so incredibly low. :???: I gave up trying to Wikipediaize anything wildcat related. I do have a domain and some bandwidth wasting away though...I may try this again, but publish it on my site first. Or if Delta Company expands their website a bit and includes a HushPuppy page, I could use that as a reference.

Wikipedia. A love a hate relationship for me. I love it for most anything technology related. Usually the geekier you get, the better. Firearm related technology though, unsurprisingly, has an sea of mall ninjas for peer review -- particularly so if you are posting about a wildcat that steps on the toes of .50 Beowulf fanboys.

[timbuck]

What magazines do you use for the 50 H/P?
Or do you have a follower that you swap out in the standard mags?

[82nd airborne]

I have made specific followers, but works the best so far is a modified p-mag. The little wedge in the front that serves no purpose but to make it look inovative can be snipped out with wire cutters. Rasp some of the ribs off, and file a trough in the center of the follower. This is easier than machining your own follower out of aluminum. I like 20rd'ers because of thier size, but you can fit 13 rounds in a 30rder.

[timbuck]

which follower?
Do you have a drawing?

[timbuck]

All the places I checked are out of 7mm WSM brass. I have some on order.
Is everybody gearing up for the .50 H/P?

[82nd airborne]

oops, might of been me! Ive had several customers call lately and ask where to get some. Did you check midway?

[timbuck]

Midway is out and wants 32.99 for 50.

[82nd airborne]

Wow, the last time I ordered them they were on sale for $21!

[ANeat]

82nd for a bolt gun I assume it just needs a WSM based bolt/action and a 50 cal chambered barrel?

You guys are doing some cool stuff, nice work...

[82nd airborne]

You are correct! Or you can use a savage and just swap the bolt face.
Thanks for the compliments!

[timbuck]

A well deserved bump.

[hunter2]

Midway had 270 wsm on sale, clearance page. Would they work?

[beladran]

will this work on a 700 SA reciever?

[Dannix]

Midway had 270 wsm on sale, clearance page. Would they work?

If I remember correctly, it needs to be 7mm as all the other wsm cases have a shorter body length.

[Artful]

You could use 270 WSM if you expand the case then trim to length - either by fire forming or with a suitable die - but much easier to purchase the correct brass to start with.

[HotGuns]

Nope. It wont work. I had a guy give me a 100 bag of .270 WSM. If I recall correctly, the base is about .010 difference.

I thought I'd load up some more rounds when I was devoloping the suppressor. The .270 didnt work at all.

Best to stick with the 7 WSM.

[Artful]

Nope. It wont work. I had a guy give me a 100 bag of .270 WSM. If I recall correctly, the base is about .010 difference.

I thought I'd load up some more rounds when I was devoloping the suppressor. The .270 didnt work at all.

Best to stick with the 7 WSM.

Hmm, according to what I found
http://www.gunnersden.com/5-35.jpg

325 WSM
http://www.loaddata.com/images/database/.325%20WSM.gif


300 wsm
http://accurateshooter.net/pix/300wsm.png
Bullet diameter 0.308 in (7.8 mm)
Neck diameter 0.344 in (8.7 mm)
Shoulder diameter 0.538 in (13.7 mm)
Base diameter 0.555 in (14.1 mm)
Rim diameter 0.535 in (13.6 mm)
Case length 2.1 in (53.3 mm)
Overall length 2.86 in (72.6 mm)

http://www.loaddata.com/images/database/.270%20WSM8.gif
270 WSM
Parent case .300 WSM
Case type Rimless, bottleneck
Bullet diameter .277 in (7.0 mm)
Neck diameter .3140 in (7.98 mm)
Shoulder diameter .5381 in (13.67 mm)
Base diameter .5550 in (14.10 mm)
Rim diameter .535 in (13.6 mm)
Rim thickness .054 in (1.4 mm)
Case length 2.100 in (53.3 mm)
Overall length 2.860 in (72.6 mm)


http://accurateshooter.net/pix/sae7wsmx350.png
7mm WSM
Parent case .404 Jeffery
Case type rebated rim, bottleneck
Bullet diameter 0.284 in (7.2 mm)
Neck diameter 0.321 in (8.2 mm)
Shoulder diameter 0.538 in (13.7 mm)
Base diameter 0.555 in (14.1 mm)
Rim thickness 0.535 in (13.6 mm)
Case length 2.1 in (53.3 mm)

seems like it should work Hotguns but the shoulder position does differ on 7mm from 300 or 270, probably for safety so you can't get a 7mm WSM in a 270 WSM chamber I would imagine.

[HotGuns]

Yeah that's what I thought too.

If you look at the case diameter right before the shoulder, you'll see that the 7mm is .445.

The .270 is .538, so its a bit fatter. Now that I think about , that was the issue.

You might make it work with a gargantuan press, but it'd take a lot of effort.

[Artful]

Oh, not the base but up by the shoulder... You still could reform it to work.
Gargantuan press no, but a good one solidly mounted would be required.
Nah, my Coax with imperial wax would be able to handle it I'm sure.
But, as we both stated much easier to use th right case to begin with.

[HotGuns]

Has Aaron mentioned the .50 HP AR upper yet? There is one thats about to be integrallly suppressed.

Now THAT would be cool....

[Dannix]

Has Aaron mentioned the .50 HP AR upper yet? There is one thats about to be integrallly suppressed.

Now THAT would be cool....
An integrally suppressed .50HP?! That does sound cool!

Is it user serviceable to clean out accumulated lube, or would it be for jwords only?

[HotGuns]

Yep.
You'll be able to remove the monolithic baffle stack right out for cleaning.

[82nd airborne]

You could use .270 but you would have to fire form them 1 time before cutting them off.

[82nd airborne]

will this work on a 700 SA reciever?

As long as it is the right bolt face.

[beladran]

as soon as i get my hands on a bolt i will mail you my gun!

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

Beladran,

my #3 son is in "the 'stan" again. He shot an insurgent twice with his 9mm. Killed him dead with the first one, but, like me, he is insecure; so he shot him again. He said the body was still there the next day, and still dead.

I'm sort-of biased on Army Ranger experience versus yours.

regards,

Rich
Sua Sponte

[beladran]

they turn to zombies though in a few weeks... he needs the 50 hushpuppy so that dont happen

[Moonie]

82nd_airborne, you are an evil man, you now have me thinking that perhaps a $200 tax stamp wouldn't be a bad idea...

Do I want it in an AR upper or bolt gun is the only question. Might have to wait till the wife gets back to work and my toy money starts rolling in again though :(

[82nd airborne]

Go for it! I guarantee you wont stop with one!

[Artful]

Go for it! I guarantee you wont stop with one!

now that is evil, Ar's by themselves are like that - first you buy one then a spare upper then a lower so then you have two whole guns then buy another upper etc.

First you buy one host and suppressor and you like it so much you thread another host then you buy a second suppressor - then you thread another host etc.

And so it goes.

[Moonie]

now that is evil, Ar's by themselves are like that - first you buy one then a spare upper then a lower so then you have two whole guns then buy another upper etc.

First you buy one host and suppressor and you like it so much you thread another host then you buy a second suppressor - then you thread another host etc.

And so it goes.

Ugh, yea, getting ready to buy my second lower, for the spare upper...

Only problem is this divorce will be EXPENSIVE...

[Artful]

Moonie, I see that's a problem you, just took my wife out shooting today, we discussed the next modification to get her a rifle that fits her better instead of me. - the same wife that looked a my pile of FAL parts and said you only need about 7 more and you'll have another, so I now do. Got to pick the right partner.
Should have next rifle ready for her to try by our 20th anniversery.

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

I got a lovely wife like that, we're coming up on 21 in June. She has sent me off to Africa twice now. Gullible though, I convinced her I needed a couple Double Rifles to do it right. She did draw a line in the sand when she came home from work Tuesday and the Cape Buffalo head & shoulder mount was up in the living room.

She said she wouldn't mind having an AR if I could get a stock that would fit her. CAR-15 stock, Ta-Da!! She has assumed ownership of the shorty 9mm.

God, I love that woman!

Rich

[82nd airborne]

My wife has stolen numerous guns from me when I bring them home. Dont worry Geraldo, She isnt getting that Wilson 1911! She now has a AR in .300 BLK too that I have mad rediculously light weight. She loves it.

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

Sweet...

Rich
Sua Sponte

[Artful]

My wife has stolen numerous guns from me when I bring them home. Dont worry Geraldo, She isnt getting that Wilson 1911! She now has a AR in .300 BLK too that I have mad rediculously light weight. She loves it.

So how ridiculously light weight is it? I made my whisper up with lots of steel in case I blew the barrel but now with some rounds behind I don't feel it's a problem and the wife' gotten my old CAR15 and I have a flattop upper with not lower - hmm - you are evil

[timbuck]

Any updates on this one?

[hunter2]

He will be back. Just swamped at his job right now...

[Dannix]

The wildcat is basically done, with only slight load tweaking to be done iirc. I think he's slammed with both .300AAC (he was one of the first to hit the market as best I can tell. That's the benefit of being a nimble small company) and medical issues (he's a veteran) right now. I'll see if I can rustle up some specs for you...


The .50 Hush Puppy is a rifle cartridge based on the 7mm WSM case cut off at 1.7", just at the start of the shoulder. The result is a more sturdy case capable of higher pressures than that used by the .50 Beowulf and with a bit more taper, aiding in feeding. The .50 Hush Puppy's ballistics are slightly superior, but very similar, to the venerable 50-70. This wildcat is still in development.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_111534db77812e1a96.png (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=650)

[chrispy]

But which powders are you using to get these figures?

Am very, very interested.

Chrispy

[82nd airborne]

Sorry guys, I missed this. Whats goin on?

[warf73]

Bringing back from the dead to see more details on this very cool build.
Any rifles built on an AR platform?
How far out did the acuracy hold up with the diffent bullts 200m, 300m, 700m?

Thanks Warf

[Any Cal.]

This looks neat. So does it just headspace on the case mouth?

[Just Duke]

Last Activity 08-31-2011 09:03 AM
The OP disappeared off the face of the planet quite awhile back. He suffered some severe head trauma in the sandbox and was no longer in the military because of it when I last spoke with him on the phone. He also disappeared from the BO forum also. I don't think he's with us anymore. <sad face>