357mag Bolt action, new on the market

[357maximum]

If you could buy a reasonably priced ( similar or slightly less $$ to an 1894 marlin)5 shot clip fed, handy and light bolt action in 357 mag would you?

[exile]

So fast it would make your head spin, maybe someone like CZ will take the idea to heart, I seriously doubt anyone in the U.S. would do it. Why, have you heard rumors? Do tell.

exile

[357maximum]

Why, have you heard rumors? Do tell.

exile


Only from the voices in my head,:evil: and trust me you do not want me to share most of what they have to say:veryconfu. Good thing the thought police are lacking in technology eh?

[excess650]

I don't need one but would buy one, just because...:? I have Marlin 1894Cs and a Browning Lowall, so don't need another, but the cartridge is so much fun, and so easy to work with that it deserves another platform. The same platform could be used for 218 Bee, 25-20 Wcf, 32-20 Wcf, 256 Win Mag. I suppose the .327 Federal(?) would work. 10mm anyone?

[Bass Ackward]

I sent an email to Lipseys on this about a month ago. Told them that Ruger already chambered 22 Hornet and 44 Mag that Lipsey would hit a gold mine if they had a special run both in blued and then stainless. Don't know what will happen.

But Lipsey's is always looking for ideas for exclusives that they can run the margins up on. Email your dreams and desires:

http://www.lipseys.com/

[Blammer]

hmmm, 357 mag bolt gun. Depends on the clip. If big boolits could be seated far out and still have it feed, I'd probaby have to get one.

if it could be converted to 357 Max or started out as a 357 Max. Most likely I'd probably try to acquire one.

[2shot]

if it could be converted to 357 Max or started out as a 357 Max. Most likely I'd probably try to acquire one.

+1 on the 357 Max

[dragonrider]

I said "maybe" , but if it were 357 Maximum I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

[GLL]

Yes, if available in .357Max as well ! :)

Jerry

[358wcf]

Gents!
We positively NEED any and all forms of rifles chambered for both the 357mag and the 357Max! Both are outstanding when used in light, handy rifles, and what fun they are as well!
I will gladly purchase rifles chambered in either fine cartridge.

358wcf[smilie=1:[smilie=1:[smilie=1:

[Tom308]

I would consider buying such a rifle. I HAD a Rossi 92 and gave it to a nephew. Actually, I sold it to him for way LESS than I paid for it. I how have an H&R handi-rifle in that caliber. What kind of .357 rifle are you talking about. Would it be something like the old .30-30 bolt action or, some new design from Europe. My computer will not allow me to spell europe with a lower case e. Keeps underlining it in red. That's a good color for europe. Don't like their laws but, will buy their guns if the price is right.

[Blammer]

I'm thinking a rem600 action with 20" brl. :)

[Thin Man]

Has anyone shouted "Group Buy" yet? Yes, I would buy a 357 Mag bolt rifle. The original proposal was something like "light and handy" or such. This sounds like a fun item that can offer multiple load development experiments. I would not even consider glass on this type of a system. Not that I don't regularly use (need) improved sight systems for these tired old eyes. I just like the light and handy concept for a stroll through the fields and timber. 357 Maximum? Yup, I would get in on that caliber if it were offered instead of the Magnum. Just keep it light and handy.

[Doc Highwall]

I would be happy if Ruger chambered their 44/77 in 357 mag with the ability to shoot the RCBS 200 grain bullet. I have two of the Browning lowwalls in 357 mag and they are fun to shoot.

[Blammer]

I want ruger to make thier 77/44 in 41 Mag!

[exile]

Yes to the .41 magnum. I would probably buy a .357 first though. I have recently discovered the .41 magnum and it is great.

exile

[.357]

ummmm i would buy three! actually i really want a lever gun in .357 if i could find one round here! I"d take any gun in .357.

[BCB]

I might purchase one for the “uniqueness” of it…

Or, are there bolt actions presently available in the 357 Magnum cartridge and at what price and availability?...

But, would I like it more than my older 1894C that just enjoys 358429's and SR-4759?...

BCB

[Harter66]

Actually I have this mangled carcano , if I could get any bbl for it .....................................

[Mk42gunner]

Maybe. It wolud depend if the gun has scaled to the size of the cartridge or not. I have no desire for a large ring 98 Mauser in .357, but something the size of a Model 43 Winchester would be great.

I am still kicking myself for not buying one of the Timberwolf .357 pumps when they were available.

Robert

[Johnch]

+1 on the 357 Max

I would be bugging my dealer in about 30 seconds to put at least 2 on back order

John

[LewR]

One question - will this then be called rifle ammo - or will it still be pistol ammo? Makes a difference to those who live in commie countries like NJ ... :)

The answer relies on the legal status, not the caliber nor cartridge.

[357maximum]

I was thinking something like a short throw Savage 340, Rem788. or a CZ action shrunk and SCALED down to make it LIGHT AND HANDY. The 357max is an awesome and underated cartridge and I am quite fond if it:p.....but......The only problem I see with the MAX in such a critter is people would compare it to the 35rem and sales would likely faulter. Once you get that LONG of an action the temptation would likely be too high to go to a more poetent round. I want an action that would be suitable for 38 special target with heavy boolits, 357 with normal boolits, 32/20, and all the calibers Excess listed minus the 10mm, but hey iffin ya want one in 10mm I am sure it would fit.[smilie=l:

a 357 that would shoot heavy 38's is the 1st caliber I want in this critter[smilie=l:.

[Blammer]

Well if not 357 MAX, make the 357 Mag long enough to make it into a 360 DW. :)

[Johnch]

I was thinking of the action used in the Inter Arms Mini Mk II AKA Rem 799

As I already have several of them in 223 , 7.62 x 39 and a 22 hornet

John

[Johnch]

Shoot
Not only is a 357 mag / Max BA rifle on my wish list

But I would love the same size rifle in a 32/20 or even better a 25/20 with rifling cut for a cast boolit

IMO a near perfict plinking and virmem rifle
As I was forced to sell my 25/20 and 32/20 Marlins to pay bills a few years back

John

[Ken TN]

I'll agree 357 Max would be a MUST BUY NOW!
I could wait for a good deal on the 357 Mag...
Lever, Bolt, auto, pump, just make it a MAX!

I've got a 12" MAX barrel for the T/C and will be in Oklahoma City this weekend...
Ed's Contenders is there and could be the cure for this itch you gave me.
18-21" Stainless back scratcher is what I'll say it is!
Ken TN

[kanook]

If the 357mag was offered in a bolt I would for sure get a couple of them. I think the Ruger compact would be a great platform for it. I have shoulder troubles and this would help fill the bill (or the freezer) for me.

The only reason why I would say no on the max is it a different casing. It's nice going with the same thing in your revolver as the rifle.

[Zim]

357 yes. Have the Rossi and really enjoying it. Friend has a Greener Martini action in .357 that is the cat's meow! I'm a little envious. Looking real hard at the low walls, but really need something cheaper. The Handi rifles and Contenders are getting good reviews, I just prefer the falling block design.

Yes, a bolt .357 Max would be great. Use the Desert Eagle Magazines? Liked the .45ACP conversions of the Mauser, but didn't get one.

[missionary5155]

Greetings
ONLY if it could be made into a 357 Supermag.... I would have little use for a bolt 357 when a lever gun will do as well and reload alot faster.

[357maximum]

A 357Max/supermag could likely be made to work on a 223 stevens 200 centerfeed with the right man doing the work.................I am not that man, but if I had the $$ I know a guy that could likely make it happen......hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[rockrat]

Why not take a 223 rem rifle and find someone to turn the rims down on Max brass to rimless. Tried this in an AR, but mags were the drawback. Might have to try this with a bolt action.

[7of7]

Maybe. It wolud depend if the gun has scaled to the size of the cartridge or not. I have no desire for a large ring 98 Mauser in .357, but something the size of a Model 43 Winchester would be great.

I am still kicking myself for not buying one of the Timberwolf .357 pumps when they were available.

Robert

I was looking on line, and found a company that makes pumps chambered in .38 Spec, 38-40,44-40, and 45 colt, that would chamber it in a .357 magnum...Haven't asked about .357 Max....
AWguns.com
The rifles are the Lightning, start at 850.00, and they would do the chambering and stamping and rebluing of the barrel for another 125.00. They responded very quickly to my emails when I emailed them.

[John Taylor]

I have an old 95 Mauser that I was making into a 7mm BR. It looks like it would be just about the right length for a 357 Max after it was shortened. Pictured with a 50 S&Whttp://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l132/johnptaylor/Mouser95.jpg

[303Guy]

If'n I were to design a 357 Max bolt rifle it would be a rear locking system which makes for a very short throw indeed and plenty stiff at those lengths. (Using a 30-30 as a parent case would be tempting too![smilie=1:) Mind you, a 41 maximum using a 303 Brit case would make sense in my part of the world ...... mmmm!:roll:

[357maximum]

REMINGTON 788 fan 303?

[Mk42gunner]

I was thinking of the action used in the Inter Arms Mini Mk II AKA Rem 799

As I already have several of them in 223 , 7.62 x 39 and a 22 hornet

John

John,

Try feeding a couple of dummies through one of your 7.62X39mm Mini Mausers. They wont fully chamber, but the bolt face is very close to the correct size. There was a thread were Felix suggested a switch barrel for a benchrest gun that got me thinking about it. I know mine (Which is the Charles Daly version), fed from the right side, but can't remember if the second round would feed or not, (or if I even tried two rounds in the magazine). It would be a fairly simple rebarreling job if it will feed from both sides of the magazine.

Robert

[badgeredd]

I have an old 95 Mauser that I was making into a 7mm BR. It looks like it would be just about the right length for a 357 Max after it was shortened. Pictured with a 50 S&Whttp://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l132/johnptaylor/Mouser95.jpg

:drinks: 8-)

Very intriguing John. I've shortened a couple small ring Mausers for single-shot actions for 22 Super Jet and 218 Mashburn Bee. I also built a Mauser 98 chambered for 375 Winchester as a repeater so I have to believe that with a bit of futzing around a guy could build a 357 Max on a shortened 93/95/96 action. I'm not sure the 93 with its flattened bolt bottom face would work or not. In your opinion, do you think a 357 Mag could be made to function?

Edd

[Bret4207]

If'n I were to design a 357 Max bolt rifle it would be a rear locking system which makes for a very short throw indeed and plenty stiff at those lengths. (Using a 30-30 as a parent case would be tempting too![smilie=1:) Mind you, a 41 maximum using a 303 Brit case would make sense in my part of the world ...... mmmm!:roll:

I was thinking the same thing. Something along the lines of a modified #4 LE. Slim it, shorten it, make it to bed in a one piece stock. The removable bolt head would allow for rimed or rimless and the trigger could be modded for a decent modern unit.

357, 32-20, 35 Rem, 44 mag, 25-35, 219 Zipper....I can see some possibilities.

[John Taylor]

:drinks: 8-)

Very intriguing John. I've shortened a couple small ring Mausers for single-shot actions for 22 Super Jet and 218 Mashburn Bee. I also built a Mauser 98 chambered for 375 Winchester as a repeater so I have to believe that with a bit of futzing around a guy could build a 357 Max on a shortened 93/95/96 action. I'm not sure the 93 with its flattened bolt bottom face would work or not. In your opinion, do you think a 357 Mag could be made to function?

Edd

The rimmed cartridges can be a feeding problem. Bolt face can have a ring soldered to it and machined. I have welded up bolt faces for low pressure rounds like the 22 Hornet on a model 70. May work best to use some sort of existing mag instead of trying to work over the feed rails. Working on a mod. 54 in 218 Bee now, using a 22 Hornet box mag. Need to use the feed pusher on the bolt just like the 22 Hornet. It had a 30-06 barrel that I put a center fire 22 caliber liner in.

[mellonhead]

If you used an action with controlled round feeding. You might be able to trim 223 brass down to 357 mag./max. length and use a short action designed for the 223. The Remingtons and the CZ's might just be down right good actions for this. Just a thought i have thought about doing myself a few times.

Toby

[2ndAmendmentNut]

Yes I would buy one if they where about $100 or so cheaper then a Marlin 94. A 357max would be cool also, but I would be happy with the Mag.

[John Taylor]

I'm a machinist with a very limited budget so buying a new rifle is not my thoughts. Was thinking back to the days when I was machining actions for the Stebbin's 50 BMG and the thought came to me of using the four locking lugs like on the 50 but put them to the rear like a 788 Remington. Using four longer lugs instead of the nine on the 788 would give a bolt angle of 45 degrees instead of the 60 degrees to open. I have a bunch of Douglas barrel ends that have a hardness around 32 Rockwell C that I could play around with that should be plenty strong enough for a 357 mag. I would need to heat treat to around 38C for the 375 max. Was thinking a bolt diameter of 9/16" should give plenty of support for the rim and a Sako type extractor using a Remington type ejector. A Timney trigger with a built in safety would make that part easy. At $85 for a Green Mountain barrel blank this little barreled action would not be to much cash outlay on my part. Now just to find the time to make up the tooling and do the work and keep up with all the other work that is backed up.

[felix]

John, I don't know about Rockwells per se, but whatever is required for the metal on-hand to withstand 55K psi continuous, with a 80K psi ignition spike will be entirely sufficient. Pistol length cases cannot be loaded to exceed these specs for the most part. In fact, only the bench guns will exceed them by design. ... felix

[part_timer]

The short action on a Browning would work pretty good if you wanted to trim 223 brass.

[NHlever]

When I worked at Ruger, I tried to talk to folks about this, but they were pretty hung up on the .44 mag. Too bad since that series would be fun in 25-20, 32-20, 327 Federal, and .357 Mag., etc. Too bad too that there never was much interest in the milder calibers, or we would have good .256 win, and the .30 wildcat on the .357 case now.

[Jack Stanley]

Maybe. It wolud depend if the gun has scaled to the size of the cartridge or not. I have no desire for a large ring 98 Mauser in .357, but something the size of a Model 43 Winchester would be great.

I am still kicking myself for not buying one of the Timberwolf .357 pumps when they were available.

Robert

I like the idea of something the size of the Winchester or the CZ , single stack removable mag and available in left hand . I don't mind a small premium for the left hand option maybe something like the Remington 788 and 581 designs ?

I'm not sure I'd buy a Ruger even if it was chambered in it's little rifle from past experience with their little rifles .

Jack

[NHlever]

I think Ruger should use a one piece bolt for it's centerfire 77/44 series, perhaps modify the muzzleloader bolt casting. If they added a primary extraction cam, and perhaps lost the rotary mag in favor of a 2-3 round straight mag for longer calibers I think it could be a slick gun.

[Heavy lead]

Hl voted "are you smoking crack".
I may be a bit of a throwback, but I would buy a pump gun (especially with a tube magazine, but would settle for a detachable box) in a heartbeat in .357, preferably the max version. Can't see myself buying a bolt gun if a lever is available. But a pump would be the bees knees in pistol cartridges.

[82nd airborne]

rufracer experimented with straightening out a 223 case to .357 in an ar. made for a hot little sucker with good ballistics. however feeding wasnt as desireable as it could have been. so now we are working on a .357x39 so it will have more taper. either should work great in a bolt gun.

[StarMetal]

rufracer experimented with straightening out a 223 case to .357 in an ar. made for a hot little sucker with good ballistics. however feeding wasnt as desireable as it could have been. so now we are working on a .357x39 so it will have more taper. either should work great in a bolt gun.

That's interesting because I talked to some AR experts about a same round and they said there would be feeding issues because it was too straight. Reckon they were right.

[82nd airborne]

id say right they were! i think if you cut it off at the shoulder as opposed to using it full length as we did, it would work, who knows? the 7.62x39 as a parent case should work i think tho. ill keep it posted, but it will be a little while before we get back to it because of the projects we have going now.

[Eutectic]

I am still kicking myself for not buying one of the Timberwolf .357 pumps when they were available.

Robert

YES!!!!

I would love to see a full length tubular magazined pump of high quality for all the pistol cartridges! 12 rounds in a good pump would be sumthin'!

Don't see much use for a bolt .357 however... .35 Rem you bet!

Eutectic

[NSP64]

Darn I didn't see the "are you smoking crack choice"!

I would buy one if it was a semi-auto. Like a camp 9 carbine,or that ruger 44 auto they used to make. I have been toying with a 9x39 bolt gun idea. 7x39 necked up to 9mm??

[jgr1974]

I know this is an older post but sign me up!!! I would love to have one-especially if cost less than the levers. Maybe prices of levers would come down a little since less in demand. I like the Lee Enfield action plan! Awesome action! I would take it over the Mauser any day!!!

[Suo Gan]

+50 on the 357 max!

[felix]

I'm thinking a rem600 action with 20" brl as suggested by Blammer. ... felix

[jgr1974]

thought of it, camp 9 would be perfect! maybe a rem 8/81 action? saiga is pretty much tooled up already

[rockrat]

Tried the Max with cutdown rims in an AR. Front rib on the mag would preclude feeding. Just bought a used 700 in 223 and going to have JES rebore it to 35cal and chamber it for the Max. Will use 223 brass cut to max length and may try a 308 boltface also, might have enough grip to pull a factory max case out of the chamber, but would only be single shot using Max brass.
I would love a boltgun chambered for the Max, can you tell.

[John Taylor]

There was a company making M1 carbines in 44 mag without the gas system. Made a neat little pump rifle. I'm sure it would have worked for the 357 also.
I had thoughts of making a larger version of the Winchester model 90 that would work with the 44-40. It could also handle most of the pistol calibers. Another Browning design and much better than the Colt lightning.
Another thought, why not take a short stroke bolt action and convert it to tube mag. The biggest problem with feeding a strait case is getting it lined up with the chamber first. There are several 22s that feed from a tube mag, a loose copy made bigger should work.

[Dutch4122]

I voted "maybe." Simply because I already have the .357 Magnum in a levergun & the .357 Max in a single shot.

The idea here that intriques (sp?) me is the 7.63x39 case necked up to .35 caliber. Taking a CZ 7.62x39 boltgun and having the barrel re-bored to .35 caliber would probably be the easiest route. My only question would be do we still need a chamber reamer made and what is the cost of that? This cartridge would probably work best with the lighter pistol boolits in the 158-180 grn range. Seems like you could get them stepping out there at a pretty respectable speed. Should be sure death on "garden varmints." [smilie=1:

[rockrat]

You might be able to take your CZ and run a 35 Rem reamer in, but short, and use the '39 case. You could then take 35 rem dies and cut them down. Just suggesting ,as this is what I have planned for an AR. Have the reamer and dies, now just barrel and time. Would probably have to go to a carbine gas port location AKA 450 bushmaster setup.

[jwhite]

Lots of good information on the 7.62x39/35 or 35 Gremlin as it is referred to over on the accurate reloading forum in the wildcat section. Hornady is making dies for it, would be a great cast bullet gun. Been thinking about getting another Ruger compact in 7.62x39 and have it rebarreled with a 20" barrel in 35 Gremlin. A 35 Remington would nice too though.

[seppos]

The .358/39 is a smart choise. Russia has its VAL assault rifle with 9X39, but the smarter version from it is defenitely one with .358 bore.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as10-e.htm
http://world.guns.ru/ammo/sp-e.htm#SP-5

S

[j4570]

Tony Rumore of Tromix made M1 carbines in 357 and 44 AUTOMAG, which is essentially a 44 Magnum rimless case (308 Winchester cut down and inside nexk reamed). The 357 Automag is a necked down 44 Automag. They feed from standard M1 Carbine Magazines. I have no idea if a 357 Mag or Maximum will feed from an M1 Carbine Mag, it may, but for only like 5 rounds.

I have a '93 Mauser in 7.62x39 but didn't cut down the action (when you cut down the action, you then have to make a custom stock, adding considerable expense or labor). It's a very nice gun, very accurate.

Maybe convincing Ruger to do the 357 Bain & Davis (a 44 Magnum necked down to 357) might be easier. Or even a gunsmith could do it with a barrel change maybe (no bolt alterations). This may or may not work, just throwing it out.

As for some of you tinkerers, try looking for old barrels at Gunparts Corp. Or get a Remington 700 Take off barrel, they then to be fairly large in the rear to allow recutting the threads and rechambering. They sometimes can be had for cheap, and depending what you are doing, might be suitable.

Why do people want to do this? Is it because there are states/areas that only allow handgun or certain length cartridges to be used for hunting? I know that made the 357 max popular in some areas.

JW

[roverboy]

A .357 rifle is somethng I've kinda wanted for a long time. It would make a good starter deer rifle for my daughter. I could load up some 158 jhp.

[square butte]

Well, I think I would be interested in one - But more than that I would want one of each in 32-20 AND 25-20. Small market, but I think it would fly.

[Artful]

357 max to go with T/C encore-contenders - yep - .357 mag maybe - already competing with Marlin / Rossi Lever guns - It would make a good candidate for De Lisle Suppressed Carbine build - so I'd probably get one even in 357 mag - Make sure it has a fast twist for long heavy 220-250 grain bullet stability.

[curiousgeorge]

I voted "maybe", but I also already have the Marlin lever action in .357 Mag and an older H&R with the contoured barrel in .357 Maximum. Both are scoped the same (older Tasco 2.5 x 8 x 40 world class), but sometimes take the scope off the lever gun if just playing around.

I realize that the Ruger 77 platform would be lightweight, handy, and practical and I might go for one of those, but if it was in a full size gun of some other manufacture, might not be that attracted to it. Would just have to see it.

Just my thoughts.

Steve

[357maximum]

Whats the Point of .357 in a Bolt?




Have you ever seen them JEEP stickers that say "IT IS A JEEP THING, YOU WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND" ?

This very likely might just be a similar type issue. :lol:

Please view my signature for further explanation. :lol:

[Gunaria]

Make it so that it can accept Coonan mags and price it for $199 and I'll buy it.

[btroj]

I'd rather have a lever myself. To each his own I suppose but I see no real advantage to a bolt over a lever. Then again, if we only bought what was needed a lot of companies would be broke.

Brad

[Four Fingers of Death]

I can't really see the point in a 357 bolt rifle. Now a pump or an auto that takes Coonan or Desert Eagle mags is something else. I have a 92 in 38/357 and it is a pearler of a rifle. It is about to become a cowboy gun again after a couple of years in the wings as my wife is about to start single action shooting. I'lll have to do a spot of hunting with it as I have all sorts of 357 moulds and that is the only 357 rifle I own, sooooooooooooo, I'll be borrowing it back occasionally.

I'd like a Bbl for my Encore in 357.

[82nd airborne]

I voted "maybe." Simply because I already have the .357 Magnum in a levergun & the .357 Max in a single shot.

The idea here that intriques (sp?) me is the 7.63x39 case necked up to .35 caliber. Taking a CZ 7.62x39 boltgun and having the barrel re-bored to .35 caliber would probably be the easiest route. My only question would be do we still need a chamber reamer made and what is the cost of that? This cartridge would probably work best with the lighter pistol boolits in the 158-180 grn range. Seems like you could get them stepping out there at a pretty respectable speed. Should be sure death on "garden varmints." [smilie=1:

I have a reamer for this cartridge on the way from ptg.

[Rio Grande]

Maybe. It wolud depend if the gun has scaled to the size of the cartridge or not. I have no desire for a large ring 98 Mauser in .357, but something the size of a Model 43 Winchester would be great.

I am still kicking myself for not buying one of the Timberwolf .357 pumps when they were available.

Robert

I agree, it must be small, light (and also inexpensive). .357 Max would be nice, but I would buy one in .357 mag.

A perfect all-around rifle for almost everywhere in the country!

[C A Plater]

I'm in the maybe camp. It all depends on the quality of the product and does it look good. I do have a T/C carbine barrel that makes a handy package along with a Rossi levergun not to mention a few handgun in .357. Still, I love shooting the .357 in all it's forms so I could be induced to getting another.

[Good Cheer]

Shucks, I'd have to buy most rifle chambered for a 41 mag. Getting one in a low wall is kinda one of those mind drifts like dreaming about a Red Rider.

[lylejb]

If the price was right. I think it would be fun.

If it was a basic, say $300 to $400 range I'd be interested.

If it's $800, no thanks.

[donald duck]

I recently purchasr a Savage Axis, Edge, in .223 and want to have it rebarreled to 7 mm TCU. Who might you recommend??? Want a 22 inch barrel with probably 1 in 9 twist. I have received one quote but would like others. thanks donald duck

[donald duck]

I have an old 95 Mauser that I was making into a 7mm BR. It looks like it would be just about the right length for a 357 Max after it was shortened. Pictured with a 50 S&Whttp://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l132/johnptaylor/Mouser95.jpg

John, do you do rebarreling work??? Want a Savage Edge, AXis, rebarreled to 7mmTCU. 22 inch barrel with 1 in 9 twist. How much?? Thanks donald duck

[rockrat]

D.D. Why not just send it to Delta Gunshop/Clearwater Reboring and have them re-bore the existing barrel/rechamber

[Good Cheer]

A 357 mag would be nice but a 41 mag would be much better.

[Mk42gunner]

Good Cheer,

To my mind, the .357 is at the top of the "light, packing around, general purpose, low recoil rifle/carbine" pyramid. This is the niche that was filled by the .25-20, .32-20 and similar cartridges in past generations.

While the .41 mag is much more capable, it also has much more recoil with top end loads.

Robert

[Good Cheer]

There was a boy in Salt Lake City in '81 that was chambering Remington 22RF bolt actions for 38Spl wadcutters. Still wish I had gotten one. Reckon there's no reason that some bolt action wouldn't handle just as nice in a 357.

[DanWalker]

I recently purchasr a Savage Axis, Edge, in .223 and want to have it rebarreled to 7 mm TCU. Who might you recommend??? Want a 22 inch barrel with probably 1 in 9 twist. I have received one quote but would like others. thanks donald duck
Try Sharp shooters supply.
I bought a 17remmy barrel for my savage 223 from them a few years ago. Add a barrel nut spanner and a headspace gauge, and you can do the switch yourself.
That's what I did.
Sold the barrel, and wrench a couple years ago, after falling out of love with the 17.

[Gunsmoke4570]

I remember a pump .357 made in Israel, Wolverine maybe? That was a sweet shooting rifle.

[jwhite]

How about rebarreling the little Ruger 44 rifle to 44/357 Bain & Davis? Just read about a fellow doing this on another forum and it sounded like a good idea. Do a group buy for dies and short chambered barrels and then pass a reamer and go/no go gauges around for final chambering. One these rifles in 44/357 with a full power load using the Ranch Dog 35 boolit would be a potent little package.

[Bagdadjoe]

Can we say "instant collector"?? I'm guessing it would be just like other limited run firearms..they'd only go up...get one of the first or pay a premium. Yep, I'm in the Max-mode, too.

[Suo Gan]

I would probably not buy one until they stopped making them, and then pine away for years, and finally break down and pay out the nose for a beat up one 30 years later. At least that seems to be my track record.

[PatMarlin]

Looks like sound logic to me... :mrgreen:

[bowfin]

Here is something to consider when getting a rifle chambered for the .357 Maximum:

"The SAAMI spec. factory chambers do not support the shank of the bullet as it engraves into the rifling."

More on this issue (or non-issue) in the link below:

http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=120

[robertbank]

Here is an option.
http://www.oldwestguns.ca/index.php?page=products&object=35

http://www.oldwestguns.ca/image_viewer.php?object=169&image=153

I prefer the levers though and just bought two Rossi's. .357mag and .44 Mag.

Take Care

Bob

[Jack Stanley]

Some ask what is the point to having a bolt action , even say the lever action has got it covered . This is my opinion only , no one has a lever action pointed at me :shock:

I shoot my lever in a single shot fashion quite a bit in the winter months from the range house . Normally , I practice while standing and shoot both right handed and left handed . For me a bolt action is easier to load and unload rather than a side eject lever rifle . The top loading lever rifles tend to fling them if you don't catch them and is harder to unload and keep the cases from hitting the concrete . The Marlin and the Browning are plenty accurate and easy to use you betcha . For me using a bolt would be easier .

Finding a single shot might even fill the bill and I might even go out on a limb and buy a Ruger single shot . A fella had one on the trader page that I almost bought . The chances of Ruger making more for paying customers are unlikely to zilch . T/C could make a carbine like the old "Aristocrat" model but I'm not holding my breath .... to bad , they were nice rifles . Savage could still sell the 219 break open style and if they ever slow down from selling three hundred dollar bolt actions they might . But since they already got things tooled for bolt rifles , it seems reasonable they could at least look at the idea . Anybody know why a Stevens or Savage short action could not work for a rimmed cartridge ?

It's still light to pack around , easy on the shoulder , hits hard enough for several species of critter , easy to load for and inexpensive if one doesn't load . Perhaps someone who counts the costs of making stuff can compare it to making a Marlin or other lever action and see which is cheaper . But aren't the Stevens bolt actions about the same price as the H&R single shots these days ?

Jack

[45nut]

I remember a pump .357 made in Israel, Wolverine maybe? That was a sweet shooting rifle.

Timberwolf,, have one. No, it is not for sale. [smilie=s:

[Tim357]

Timberwolf,, have one. No, it is not for sale. [smilie=s:

Dang...

[jbunny]

Jack, i built a 357 and 44 mag on a stevens and savage action. they are
single shots. i replaced the magazine follower with a aluminum ramp and u drop the bullet in and close the bolt. when i first built it i head spaced on the case mouth soroff,
accuracy was ok but not spectaculr. i then machined the bolt face so the recess
was a tad less than the rim thickness. of course i had to leave the extractor alone.
i had to do a little math and make a cutout in the barrel for the extractor .
now i head space on the rim. 1 in groups at 100 yds now.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/MOUICH/savage44magboltface.jpg



.make a carbine like the old "Aristocrat" model but .reasonable they could at least look at the idea . Anybody know why a Stevens or Savage short action could not work for a rimmed cartridge ?

.Jack

[miestro_jerry]

I think a bolt gun in 357 MAX would be really nice ti have.

Jerry

[jbunny]

i have both a 357 mag and max. the problem i,m haveing is with the
357 sizeing dies don,t size the neck enough and the boolits are loose. i have,nt
tried the lee factory crimp dies as the bullets are too losse . i hsve been useing 9mm
sizeing dies and that works to much. when i seat the bullets the case streches
more on one side and the bullet is not centered in the case. i should get back
to playing with this thing. some day!!

[thehouseproduct]

i have both a 357 mag and max. the problem i,m haveing is with the
357 sizeing dies don,t size the neck enough and the boolits are loose. i have,nt
tried the lee factory crimp dies as the bullets are too losse . i hsve been useing 9mm
sizeing dies and that works to much. when i seat the bullets the case streches
more on one side and the bullet is not centered in the case. i should get back
to playing with this thing. some day!!
Any chnace of getting a pic of the breach end of the barrel?

And yes, I'd buy a Ruger 77/357 in heartbeat. It'd be great fun to take a revolver and the rifle with a single bag of ammo.

[jbunny]

i,m assuming the 357 max breach pic on the savage action. my bud has the stevens
357 mag right now, however here is a pic of my savage 44 mag breach. they were made the same way. my 357 max is on a 98 mouser action. while were on the subject, i had chambered a H&R 357 mag to max and i could not get that thing to
make 5 shots touching at 100 yds. i blame the thinner brass with loading problems.
i took the barrel of the H&R and cut the hindge block off ans shortened the barrel
5/16 of an in for 357 mag and stuck it on martini action and now 5 shots touching at 100 yds.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/MOUICH/savage44magbreach.jpg

[thehouseproduct]

Does it feed ok? My 300 whisper savage doesn't feed blunt noses bullets well.

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

357 Max, you could sell me one...

Rich

[felix]

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5002

[thehouseproduct]

Why does this thread keep popping up as new?

[357maximum]

Why does this thread keep popping up as new?

Good ideas fail to die would be my guess. :bigsmyl2:

[white eagle]

:Bright idea:I have one its called a 358 winchester:awesome:

[Nick2010]

happy with mine, buy one!

[pressonregardless]

Well fellows, from what I read over on the Ruger forum it sounds like Ruger must have been listening. Sounds like they have a 77/357 on the drawing board.

[square butte]

I spoke to a couple of friends today at the Concord gun show who work in the Ruger plant at Newport. Apparently it's more than just on the drawing board. They told me that there were a few bugs being worked out with magazine feeding issues - but thought it would be on the market in the next 2 or 3 months.

[Johnch]

I spoke to a couple of friends today at the Concord gun show who work in the Ruger plant at Newport. Apparently it's more than just on the drawing board. They told me that there were a few bugs being worked out with magazine feeding issues - but thought it would be on the market in the next 2 or 3 months.


Just hope the mag length is long enough

So we can load out the boolits to maxamize the case capisity

John

[warf73]

I spoke to a couple of friends today at the Concord gun show who work in the Ruger plant at Newport. Apparently it's more than just on the drawing board. They told me that there were a few bugs being worked out with magazine feeding issues - but thought it would be on the market in the next 2 or 3 months.

Sweet, after they get these going maybe they will add more calibers to the line up.

[square butte]

Yeah, Like 25-20 WCF and 32-20 WCF.

[dualsport]

I'm a little late here, but a 77/357 does sound like a neat gun for cbs. Don't know what it'd do that my 1894c won't, but still sounds like fun. I guess more pointy boolits would be one thing.

[Swede44mag]

I had a Browning 357mag lever gun money got tight so I had to sell it.
Sure was fun shooting I would love to have one in a bolt gun.

[thehouseproduct]

Seems like you could rechamber to 357 max and shoot it single shot while still using the rotary mag for 357 mag.

[flounderman]

I have never seen the spanish destroyer, but it was chambered in 9mm largo I believe. I don't know if it would handle 357 or not.

[dipper]

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=114384

I would buy at least one if they chambered it in .357 Max.

[telebasher]

I think I would rather have a magazine tube ala a 22 rimfire rather than a clip magazine if I had a choice. Could be a half length and would still hold more than a clip mag.

[rbertalotto]

I'd rather have a nice CZ527 in 3 TWENTY 7...........

[nanuk]

I am still kicking myself for not buying one of the Timberwolf .357 pumps when they were available.

Robert

I bought one and I am kicking myself for not buying another in 44mag also

and if only I'd had the foresight to buy a couple of each!

I want to sell mine, and buy a couple singleshots. it is fun, but doesn't fit me well.

if I could get another stock for it to whittle on... perhaps I could actually make it shootable with the open sights

[Mk42gunner]

nanuk,

I never shot one but they seemed awfully heavy for a .357, probably because they used the same basic action for the .44 version. Kind of like building a 16 or 20 guage on a 12 guage frame.

I still like the idea of a small bolt action chambered for cartridges from the .357 on down.

Robert

[nanuk]

Mk42gunner: the fun thing about the TW is how fast you can toss the lead out....

it is "Lighting" fast. the heavy barrel really help the gun stay on target. and it eats full powered loads without a hitch.

I looked up some parts lists and the receivers are different. I am not sure a 44 would make it through mine. But not having a 44 cartridge to check for size, I am only speculateing.

[Mk42gunner]

nanuk,

It ahs been close to twenty years since I held one of the Timberwolves, and I don't think I ever actually compared the .357 and .44 side by side.

I agree that it is sometimes fun to just hose bullets out of a pumpgun, I had one of the 16" Rossi clone of an 1890 Winchester. With no disconnector it would empty itself very quickly.

Robert

[SP101GUY]

The Ruger 77/357 is on the market. Yay! Now I have to buy a 77/44 and a 77/357.

AJ

[Ben]

Here it is :

http://ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine77357/models.html

Catalog Number: K77/357-RSP | Model Number: 7405 | Caliber: .357 Mag.
Stock: Black Synthetic Finish: Brushed Stainless
Front Sight: Gold Bead Rear Sight: Adjustable
Barrel Length: 18.50" Overall Length: 38.50"
Material: Stainless Steel Length of Pull: 13.50"
Capacity: 5 Weight: 5.50 lbs.
Twist: 1:16" RH Grooves: 8
Suggested Retail: $793.00

[Mk42gunner]

I wonder if they will offer it in blued steel and walnut? Otherwise the specs look pretty good, maybe a longer barrel.

Almost $800.00 for a knockaround gun is a little rich for me right now.

Robert

[SP101GUY]

My local shop told me $649.00 plus tax when they get some in.

AJ

[Ben]

Hopefully , as they begin to ship, the price might fall a little.............? ?

[Artful]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the 77/44 to hit my local shops at a reasonable cost

[NHlever]

I was wondering when they would get around to this. I wonder if the magazine will accept the Keith boolits seated to the crimp groove. I argued for that when I worked at Ruger for the .44, but lost........ did get the fast twist though! :D

[catboat]

I think you could do it with a CZ 527 bolt action designed for the 7.62x39(?). The case head diameter is about the same. You may need to place two "wedges" (one in the front and one in the rear ) in the magazine to create a "slant" feed for the rimmed 357 case (aka Siamese Mauser magazine).

I asked CZ this question 2 years ago, and they said "no" to this idea. Email them this link , and they may change their mind.

[part_timer]

Nice looking gun. I just with the price was a little lower than that.

[milesray]

If Savage would pick it up they could do it for $267 at Wally World.

[frnkeore]

I would buy a 357 Max. I have a low Wall in 357 Max and love it. 2300+ with a 147 H&G GC and 1850 with the 208 gr 358315 in a 28" barrel. Nearly the equal to the factory 35 Rem. I don't want to use the top loads with it but, I would with a good two lug bolt gun.

Frank

[20nickels]

I always wanted a 357 chamber adapter for the 35 Whelen. You could probably craft it out of an existing adapter like the .32 ACP to 30-06. Just sayin.[smilie=1:

[Dthunter]

I have owned a .357 Timberwolf for more than 20 years.
I love the little rifle!
It prints groups around an inch at 50 yards with 160grain round nose cast.

On a gopher field, I put a bipod on and had a great time!
Those big slow bullets just slapped them!
This has been my favorite .357 to date.

I hope to try the 77/.357 when it shows up north of the border here.

[bogman]

I just bought one of the new Ruger 77/.357 yesterday. cant wait to shoot it.

[PatMarlin]

Whoo Hoo ...Pics!

[nanuk]

I have owned a .357 Timberwolf for more than 20 years.
I love the little rifle!
It prints groups around an inch at 50 yards with 160grain round nose cast.




I've owned one of them IMI/Springers for about 20 years also

I've seen them go for ridiculous $$$$ 'specially the 44's.

I should have bought 2 of each when I had the chance.

it doesn't fit me at all so I don't shoot it much at all, so I'm looking to sell it to finance a Uberti RB in 357mag.

[williamwaco]

I would be happy if Ruger chambered their 44/77 in 357 mag with the ability to shoot the RCBS 200 grain bullet. I have two of the Browning lowwalls in 357 mag and they are fun to shoot.




GUYS?

They already do.


http://www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine77357/models.html



.

[357maximum]

Gandy

Did you happen to see the date of the first post to this thread?

Ruger has gone and made what we wanted ...too bad they put a Ruger/Weatherby throoooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat in it and limited the useable O.A.L of the magazine however. All in all I still want one even after some of the less than glowing reports I have heard from a few of my chronies. The rifle can be made to shoot cast but the magazine does not allow you to fill the throat properly. It is on my bucket list inspite of them facts though.

[GLL]

Would it be possible to convert this rifle to .357MAX for use as a single shot? Would a round eject?

Jerry

[357maximum]

Babore will be along at some point to answer that question Jerry. :-P

[45 2.1]

All in all I still want one even after some of the less than glowing reports I have heard from a few of my chronies. The rifle can be made to shoot cast but the magazine does not allow you to fill the throat properly. It is on my bucket list inspite of them facts though.

Mikeys been drinking to much of the local brand of koolaid again. The Ruger shoots as well as that stainless Marlin 357 (with the same lot of ammo) you saw last time we saw each other.

[BABore]

Would it be possible to convert this rifle to .357MAX for use as a single shot? Would a round eject?

Jerry

The action will handle a 357 Max loaded to an COAL of 1.955. I could eject a loaded round. The mag will only handle a COAL of 1.650. The fixed, standing ejector could be shortened slightly for a full 2,00 COAL. The downside of using this rifle as a single shot, 357 Max would be the rear locking, 2-piece bolt. IMO, while it is fine for a 38-40 kpsi 357 mag load, a 50 kpsi Max loading may cause some problems.

A better choice would be to rebarrel a CZ Model 527 Carbine in 7.62x39. The bolt head is compatable with the Max rim size. The Magazine is a single stack design. Feed angle between the tapered 7.62x39 and the Max with the rim atop the body of the round below are real close. An angled wedge would have to be added to the mags rear to prevent rim jump. If I was serious about doing one, I would buy a $40 mag first and make sure first. The CZ action would handle whatever you could stuff in a MAX case.

[jbunny]

my experiance with the 357 max has not been what i expected. i could not get the accuracy i wanted. i could not get the bullets loaded centered in the brass. i tryed useing differant dies, small to big bell mouths to no bells at all. mabee i had a bad batch
of brass. i finaly set the barrel back and back to 357 mag and that shot good.
YMMV

[singleshot]

I've currently got a 44 mag bolt action that will do anything a 357 would do for me and more. Between that, and my 7.62x39, I've got the bases covered that a 357 would fill. If I didn't already have a rifle, and was new to gun buying, I'd likely be interested.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I'm more curioous than interested and I was talking to the local gunshop owner the other day about them. He said he has several on order, more buyers ineterested and told not to bother ordering any more and don't hold his breath waiting for the current order to be filled.

Must be frustrating having buyers clamouring for something and not being able to source the rifles. He said he generally has no trouble getting hold of stuff that won't sell, lol!

[Mk42gunner]

The action will handle a 357 Max loaded to an COAL of 1.955. I could eject a loaded round. The mag will only handle a COAL of 1.650. The fixed, standing ejector could be shortened slightly for a full 2,00 COAL. The downside of using this rifle as a single shot, 357 Max would be the rear locking, 2-piece bolt. IMO, while it is fine for a 38-40 kpsi 357 mag load, a 50 kpsi Max loading may cause some problems.

A better choice would be to rebarrel a CZ Model 527 Carbine in 7.62x39. The bolt head is compatable with the Max rim size. The Magazine is a single stack design. Feed angle between the tapered 7.62x39 and the Max with the rim atop the body of the round below are real close. An angled wedge would have to be added to the mags rear to prevent rim jump. If I was serious about doing one, I would buy a $40 mag first and make sure first. The CZ action would handle whatever you could stuff in a MAX case.

The Zastava Mini-Mauser (imported into the US by Interarms, Charles Daly, Remington as the Model 799, and who knows else) in 7.62x39 will feed .357 rounds from both sides of the magazine, although I don't know if the magazine is long enough for the Max. It should be, they made the same rifle in .223.


I'm more curioous than interested and I was talking to the local gunshop owner the other day about them. He said he has several on order, more buyers ineterested and told not to bother ordering any more and don't hold his breath waiting for the current order to be filled.
Must be frustrating having buyers clamouring for something and not being able to source the rifles. He said he generally has no trouble getting hold of stuff that won't sell, lol!

I wonder if this is going to become the twenty first century version of the XGI? Although I don't think any production XGI's made it out of the factory.

Robert

[357maximum]

Mikeys been drinking to much of the local brand of koolaid again. The Ruger shoots as well as that stainless Marlin 357 (with the same lot of ammo) you saw last time we saw each other.

I am glad you have yet another bugholer. You ever play the lotto?

If you have it shooting like that marlin I will just shut up now. That marlin was indeed impressive even at ranges far exceeding the 357's ability. [smilie=w:

[45 2.1]

I am glad you have yet another bugholer. Nope, it isn't.... but it does about MOA when I can hold it right. You ever play the lotto? Waste of gun money......................

If you have it shooting like that marlin I will just shut up now. You know as well as I do that its what you put in the gun that makes it shoot well. Some boolits shoot much better than others do too. That marlin was indeed impressive even at ranges far exceeding the 357's ability. [smilie=w: You might be surprised what some things will do. Bruces 44 mag with my boolit did about as well, from a handgun no less. Whats that 30 Sil doing out of your rifle?

[357maximum]

It's been awhile since I shot any of the 30sils because of that J.O.B thing:shock:, but the sporterized 308 spaniard still likes putting them all in the same inch or so of space. :bigsmyl2: I only have about 6 incomplete "projects" right now due to only getting 1 day off per week.......just making hay while the sun is shining.:bigsmyl2:

[ajjohns]

If you could find a ruger bolt in 44, could you get it rebarreled to 357 Bain & Davis? The rotary clip would still work?

[Dthunter]

I've owned one of them IMI/Springers for about 20 years also

I've seen them go for ridiculous $$$$ 'specially the 44's.

I should have bought 2 of each when I had the chance.

it doesn't fit me at all so I don't shoot it much at all, so I'm looking to sell it to finance a Uberti RB in 357mag.


I bought mine from Arnies Guns in Prince Albert. It sure is a fun gun!
Every time I go back to Sask, I take It with me for Gopher shooting!

[nanuk]

Dthunter:
arnies guns was sold, to a young fellow... not the same anymore.
but they do carry a lot of guns still, I just never go in there cause I can't get service.

I had bought mine from SIR, when it was SIR.

had fun with it, 'specially after I disassembed it and deburred it.

but ended up trading it off... and I bought the Baby Roller... what a beautiful gun.

[Bullwolf]

This is a bit late in response to the poll and thread, but better late than never.

In the beginning of the year, around January or February I was bumming around all the local gun shops looking for a stainless .357 lever action. I wanted one as a companion for my .357 Dan Wesson revolver.

I found a whole lot of nothing, everywhere that I looked. If I wanted 44 Magnum lever action, they were available in spades, but I already have a Winchester 44 Magnum Trapper.

There was also an abundant supply of 45 Colt lever action rifles. Apparently around here a .357 lever gun is either really rare, or real popular in my parts.

While checking out one of my favorite spots, and asking if they had a lever in .357 and getting yet another negative response, the owner mentioned having no lever actions, but he did have a newly arrived Ruger Model 77 bolt action in .357 Magnum.

I hadn't heard of it (or seen this thread yet) and I promptly took it home with me.

It's a nice simple little gun that shoots and handles well. Accuracy was very good for a pistol cartridge. I am quite impressed with it overall.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_187905067a7fe5fa02.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6864)


It now wears a 4X scope, on top of the Ruger supplied rings, and a sling to make handling a bit more convenient.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113858&d=1408338543

It will feed both .38 Specials, and .357 Magnums. Shoots 38 Special to a bit lower point of aim than the .357's, but that's to be expected, and is easy to adjust to.

I really like it a lot. A very nice rifle (carbine?) that I wasn't exactly looking for, but I sure am glad that I bought. It was around $650, and that seemed kind of pricey to me at the time. I would say that it was well worth it now in retrospect.

There is a decent online article about em on gunblast.com, if y'all are interested.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-M77-357.htm


- Bullwolf

[Texinoz]

357 Max yes 357 mag no - in a bolt action. But I need a Left bolt too!
Might have to settle for a H&R or similar break action rechambered to 357 max.

[PineTreeGreen]

One of those Ruger 77/357's followed me home yesterday. :D

[Leadforbrains]

I picked one up and I love it!


56834

[gwozdz]

Leadforbrains, have you had a chance to shoot the Ruger? What kind of groups did you get? With 38 spec and/or 357 mag?

[lmcollins]

Ok guys: lets's get to serious stuff.

Has anyone tried to see if it will handle a 25/20 round. The length seems OK, but the bolt face might need to be slightly bushed, and the extractor built-up.

The next question would be the 256 winchester. My Hornady book says max COAL to be 1.775. I would think it to be the same as a 357 Mag round i.e. 1.590. Someone just posted above that the mag length is 1.650 max. Can we get a couple of dummies of these two rounds to someone with a rifle to give us some "on sight, in person" thoughts on these two grave matters to us tinkerers.

A bolt 25/20 would be neat, and feed anything. Probably the pointer the better. 357 cases are a dime a dozen, and any idiot with a 7/8x14 bolt, a lathe and a set of drills ought to be able to make an intermediate form die. It might take two dies, and an anneal after. Supposedly, 25/20 brass is very fragile. The 256 might be the best bet, and easiest?

Let us hear some thoughts!

Either of these might be better than doing a 25-222 Copperhead. Maybe?

[Leadforbrains]

Gwozdz I am getting good groups with the Lee 125gr FP over W231 in the .38 special. I am also getting good groups with a 160gr FPGC boolit and the 158gr Hornady XTP bullet over 2400 and N110 in the .357 magnum.

[VladViscious]

What is wrong with the Ruger 77 http://www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine77357/models.html


Tanstaafl!

[afish4570]

What is wrong with the Ruger 77 http://www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine77357/models.html


Tanstaafl!


The $969 list makes it too costly for the market in my opinion. A bolt gun should be made so it can shoot longer and heavier boolits at little cost if designed into it. The rotary mag. didn't take that into consideration and is too expensive to change now. Ruger's 357 is the same price a regular Model 77 or All Weather Hawkeye alot of us older guys say, "Why buy a mouse gun when for the same $$$ you could get a 7mm Mag, 3006 etc...." afish4570:roll::roll:

[afish4570]

What is wrong with the Ruger 77 http://www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine77357/models.html


Tanstaafl!

If a low cost entry level rifle like most of the large companies are making now. Then it should be possible to make a pistol cal. like a 357 Max. (handle 357 mag. too) and 44 mag. in a 5 shot, blind mag., synthetic stock in an affordable package.....afish4570:Fire::Fire:

[Mk42gunner]

In addition to what afish4570 wrote; the Ruger .357 wasn't around when this thread started.

If it were marketed somewhere close in cost to the basic Savage 110, they would probably sell trainloads of them.

Robert

[Love Life]

Wow!!! Those things jumped up in price!

I bought mine when they first came out and it was $610 all said and done. I had it about 2 months and sold it. The rotary magazine was pain to remove, and it didn't shoot the boolits I wanted it to shoot well in 357 mag, but was minute of rabbit to 100 yds with the Lee 358-125-RF over 5 gr of unique in 38 special cases. I traded it for a couple S&W model 28 revolvers. At that price I wouldn't even consider the rifle.

[felix]

Ruger American Compact is a new rifle with Weaver mount! That would be an automatic buy in any/all pistol calibers I WOULD say! ... felix

[wch]

YES to either or both 357 Maximum and/or 41 Magnum.

[Newtire]

hmmm, 357 mag bolt gun. Depends on the clip. If big boolits could be seated far out and still have it feed, I'd probaby have to get one.

if it could be converted to 357 Max or started out as a 357 Max. Most likely I'd probably try to acquire one.

I am more inclined to go with .357 Max. also.

[Newtire]

Keep that Tin Foil Hat handy Mike. Ya never know.

[BAGTIC]

It was the IMI Timber Wolf. Had one sold it. The gun was okay but the reloading was awkward and I didn't want to fool with it. For all gun manufacturers K.I.S.S. There is no point in making owners learn a whole new drill just so you can claim some kind of novelty.

[BAGTIC]

Bolts are more convenient to operate from the prone position. That may be why they never caught on in the militaries.

[rollmyown]

Anyone got a link to an after market stock they have or like for the Ruger? I'm putting the cart before the horse as I don't have the rifle yet.

[dakota]

It would have to have the ability to handle cast bullets

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

Reasonable price and able to handle long and heavy bullets in .357 max.

[pressonregardless]

Anyone got a link to an after market stock they have or like for the Ruger?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/514698/ruger-rifle-stock-ruger-77-44-rs-walnut

[rollmyown]

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/514698/ruger-rifle-stock-ruger-77-44-rs-walnut

Thanks, That looks great. The only trouble is Midway does not send overseas, I will try to find one at another seller. Should make a very nice rifle of it.

[flounderman]

Winchester made the 43 in 25-20. I haven't seen one around since I owned one in the 50s

[Randy C]

+ 1 yes I want one

[Outpost75]

When I worked at Ruger, I tried to talk to folks about this, but they were pretty hung up on the .44 mag......

Curious as to when you were there...

When I attended Armorer's School in NH, 1986 Chris Peters and Dave Flint were the primarys

[rollmyown]

Got my Ruger the day before yesterday and thanks to redneckdan I got a nice Ruger walnut stock (Midway does not send out of the USA). So far I've only shot some lightweight wadcutters at a soup can, but I've come to conclusion this rifle is going to provide some serious fun and see lots of use. It's very light, low noise and light recoil plus super cheap to use with cast. What more could you want?
I hope to get it shooting some smallish groups eventually. I've got a few molds and a couple more on the way. Let the fun begin.
Thanks again redneckdan.

[Leadforbrains]

Awesome!!!!

[paul h]

Interesting that this thread just popped back up as just this weekend I started thinking that a 357 magnum would make a wonderful supressed round. I keep trying to get excited about the 300 whisper, but the extra fast twist barrel just isn't cast friendly, and I have a pile of 35 caliber molds. I figure the 200 gr WFN at 1100 fps would be a reasonable game getter.

I really wanted a Rossi 357 lever action, but it's not really friendly to optics nor the best platform for a supressor. So I started doing some googling and low and behold found the Ruger 77/357. I've never seen one in a gunshop up here, but I think I'll be ordering a stainless one sooner or later.

[felix]

8 twist is ok at 1100 fps and lower with the biggie boolits. Just how low of velocity, don't know. If the round did not eject and the bolt did not stay open on last shot, that was the lowest I went when finding the "load" for the gun type. Best was and is 12 grains of the 680 powders. ... felix

If you want the military gun, get the barrel from Wilson's combat WITH the VARIABLE gas return takeoff. His "target" barrel has a longer case called the 40mm. There IS a whale of difference in getting a valid load because the powder limitations will not be severe as with the shorter case called the Blackout. ... felix

Paul, I forgot.....Wilson might NOT make his 40 mm case barrel with a 8 twist. I think I saw 11 twist at one time. However, his offerings are sorta' volatile, so it won't hurt to make a call. However, you can lengthen the chamber of a Blackout to 40 mm yourself provided he will allow you the reamer (specs). Or, he can just do you the barrel himself. ... felix

[Jupiter7]

8 twist is ok at 1100 fps and lower with the biggie boolits. Just how low of velocity, don't know. If the round did not eject and the bolt did not stay open on last shot, that was the lowest I went when finding the "load" for the gun type. Best was and is 12 grains of the 680 powders. ... felix

If you want the military gun, get the barrel from Wilson's combat WITH the VARIABLE gas return takeoff. His "target" barrel has a longer case called the 40mm. There IS a whale of difference in getting a valid load because the powder limitations will not be severe as with the shorter case
called the Blackout. ... felix

Paul, I forgot.....Wilson might NOT make his 40 mm case barrel with a 8 twist. I think I saw 11 twist at one time. However, his offerings are sorta' volatile, so it won't hurt to make a call.
However, you can lengthen the chamber of a Blackout to 40 mm yourself provided he will allow you the reamer (specs). Or, he can just do you the barrel himself. ... felix

All is true about 7.62x40wt, but it lacks support of manufacturers and works best in modified mags. Also there is a lack of factory brass. The 200 I made for a buddy required two step process to form. For cast the 7.62x35 performs at optimal levels. No matter the cartridge, you're still limited to operating pressures of the brass, action and magazine length.

[cwheel]

I have enjoyed shooting the 2 .357 rifles I've had for more than 25 years. One is a converted Martini single shot, enough said about that one. The second, and most used is a Springfield Timberwolf pump. 10 shot tube mag in that one, fires much faster than any bolt ever could, 18" barrel, built like a half size 870 shotgun. I had a friend that owned The Old Sacramento Armory, Ed Faust. Ed was also a fair size importer, and before he closed his doors, he imported 10,000 Timberwolf parts kits. These kits were rifles that were made for Springfield by IMI and never finished. By never finished I mean all parts were there in the parts kits,except a few small coil springs and pins. ( needed a FFL for transfer ) Lost contact with Ed, but he advertised these kits in Shotgun news at less than $200 as a kit you assemble. Don't think he sold many, sure not the 10K he imported. I hear someone bought these kits in the pacific north west, who that is, unknown. If you could trace who had the kits, could sure get one of these on the cheap if you were handy, and assemble your own. Ed said before he went out of business, almost no 44 parts, the kits were all .357. The reason prices are so high in the U.S. is there were only about 1000 44 mag rifles imported total. I like the idea of a bolt, but I think the Timberwolf at about 5lbs. and a takedown would be much handier in the field, mine sure is.
Chris

[357maximum]

this thread still lives...OMG

[Leadforbrains]

LOL! Yes it seems to go on and on.
I still love my Ruger77 .357. I got mine for $550.00 a little while back.
It Shoots great with cast Accurate molds 160L over Alliant 2400, and with Lee's 125 grain and W231 in .38 special.

[williamwaco]

A friend of mine and I each bought one ( 77/357 ). Both are scoped. Neither of them will reliably hit a 11" x 16" paper target at 50 yards with any ammo I can find. ( or load ) Loads that shoot 2" at 50 yards from my TC and my S&W 686 ( both scoped ) included.

Bullet weights 130, 148, 158, 160 at velocities from 700 to 1600 fps cast, swagged, and jacketed.


Has any one had any luck with this model?

[Bullwolf]

A friend of mine and I each bought one ( 77/357 ). Both are scoped. Neither of them will reliably hit a 11" x 16" paper target at 50 yards with any ammo I can find. ( or load ) Loads that shoot 2" at 50 yards from my TC and my S&W 686 ( both scoped ) included.

Bullet weights 130, 148, 158, 160 at velocities from 700 to 1600 fps cast, swagged, and jacketed.

Has any one had any luck with this model?

I scoped my Ruger 77/357 from post #156.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113858&d=1408338543


After reading about your results, I went back and looked for my sight in target.

98867

That target was shot at 50 yards on 6/7/12 with a brand new gun that had been previously cleaned, after bore sighting the scope.

I was shooting Fiocchi 357 magnum 142 grain FMJ/TC to sight in, the lower hits were a few rounds of Winchester White Box 38 special 130 grain FMJ to see my holdover between the 38 and the 357 at 50 yards.

I also checked my heavy 357 magnum JHP 158 grain Blue Dot load, and my Lyman 358311 cast 357 magnum load. They both shoot to point of aim at 50.

This obviously is not the best target, but shows the gun has potential while I was dialing in the scope. When sighting in my rifle, I hadn't exactly been planning on posting the target on the Internet a few years later.

My 77/357 will stay on paper plate at 50 yards easily using either factory ammo, or my hand loads.

If I could not reliably hit a paper target at 50, I'd take a close look at the barrel crown. I would also be thinking about sending the rifles back to Ruger for a check over.

Sorry about your results, it sucks when a new gun doesn't shoot as well as is expected. Hopefully it all turns out good.


- Bullwolf

[Leadforbrains]

Bullwolf,
My results are very similar to yours. My 77/.357 loves the lead.
These are two different Targets shot at 50 yards. The Boolit is a .36-160L from Accurate molds, lubed with BAC lube and seated over 2400. The more I shoot my Ruger the better it seems to get.
98869

[williamwaco]

Turns out the rear action screw was loose.
Tightened it up and it shoots just like yours.

[jandbj]

Does great with heavyweight hunters supply bullets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR9zUyVlPF8&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Interesting that this thread just popped back up as just this weekend I started thinking that a 357 magnum would make a wonderful supressed round. I keep trying to get excited about the 300 whisper, but the extra fast twist barrel just isn't cast friendly, and I have a pile of 35 caliber molds. I figure the 200 gr WFN at 1100 fps would be a reasonable game getter.

I really wanted a Rossi 357 lever action, but it's not really friendly to optics nor the best platform for a supressor. So I started doing some googling and low and behold found the Ruger 77/357. I've never seen one in a gunshop up here, but I think I'll be ordering a stainless one sooner or later.

[TCStehle]

I'd like to see 357, 41, and 44 mags in Ruger's American line of rifles. I think at that price point they'd sell really well, especially in those states that don't allow centerfire rifle cartridges for deer season.

[crawfobj]

I'd like to see 357, 41, and 44 mags in Ruger's American line of rifles. I think at that price point they'd sell really well, especially in those states that don't allow centerfire rifle cartridges for deer season.

Now you're talking! I'm a big fan of the American line. Here's a pic of my 8 yr old son with his first deer that he got with my .308 predator and can. (Amazing what a can and good recoil pad can do - he's a skinny little guy and shot it like it was his .22!) I also have a .22 mag American and plan to add more. I's jump all over .357 and .44 mag versions.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/7116f365dc2ab3652a7958b83ecf0130.jpg

[psweigle]

My vote is yes! I need one of those ruger m77/357 rifles.

[ballistim]

I probably won't get my wish, but one in .357 Maximum would be just the ticket for legal deer hunting where I live, I have the 77/44 which is also legal but the .357 Max is great in my Contender properly chambered by Mike Bellm, want to possibly get a carbine barrel chambered by him for this also.

[gpidaho]

Walked into a local Pawn shop last week and there on the rack with the others was a Ruger 77/357 with a VX-II scope. We are a 357 family and between the kids and me we now have six. Will be fun to compare targets, this carbine and my Handi. GP

[wlc]

Nothing to really do with this thread, but the last two days it has shown up on the "new posts since you last visited" list. I've been keeping up with this thread so clicked on the last post and it is coming up with a post made on 1/10/15 and no new posts. Whats up with that??????

[Piedmont]

Nothing to really do with this thread, but the last two days it has shown up on the "new posts since you last visited" list. I've been keeping up with this thread so clicked on the last post and it is coming up with a post made on 1/10/15 and no new posts. Whats up with that??????

It is a poll so someone voted but didn't post any text.

[wlc]

Duh!!! Been a long time since I read the first page and actually voted in the poll. I'll crawl back under my rock now.....

[Jeff82]

I'd definitely buy one. I'd like a scoped rifle for 100-yard shooting and working up cartridges, but can't bring myself to scope a lever-action carbine.

[ballistim]

Too lazy to go back and check to see if I already complained about manufacturers not picking up on a .357 Maximum in a lever or a bolt, the Max is great in a properly chambered Contender, and it would be legal to use where I hunt. Too bad it failed in the SBH and got kicked to the curb.

[BAGTIC]

Why not take a 223 rem rifle and find someone to turn the rims down on Max brass to rimless. Tried this in an AR, but mags were the drawback. Might have to try this with a bolt action.

When a .223 case is expanded to 35 caliber there is not any shoulder for headspacing.

[Dframe]

Probably not. I can't see that it would provide much benefit. Considering the limitations of the calibre, a good lever action is just fine.

[Jupiter7]

When a .223 case is expanded to 35 caliber there is not any shoulder for headspacing.


Didn't Col. Cooper try this? the 9mm Super Cooper?

[UBER7MM]

If the question is would I own a clip fed bolt action rifle/carbine in 357 mag, the answer is yes. Small, fast handling carbines appeal to me. Would I buy one over a lever action? Hmm. I'll have to think on that.

[Melglass]

Will have two as of this week.

[dakota]

It would have to have the ability to handle cast bullets

I see I voted and posted a while back. The issue I have with the Marlin lever action in 44 Mag was the issue with not being able to load Keith Style cast unless I cut the brass short. I would want to be able to shoot 158 grain Keith bullets in it and trimming the case back to 38 Special would not be an option for me.

[Texas by God]

I voted no on the .357 but then someone mentioned.41 Magnum- I'd buy that.

[Cosmic_Charlie]

Nope. But I would buy a pump action .357.

[Earlwb]

Ruger happens to make one in .357 Magnum. Ruger Model 77. But it would be much more nice if the price was lower though. I think if they made it so you could take it down to fit better on a pack would be even better.
Unfortunately, Ruger seems to be the only one making a bolt action rifle in .357 Mag.

https://gearfireimages.s3.amazonaws.com/imagedb/image96491-3b294b4a7ff0f95821237b421af5f93b.jpg



Oh yeah Taurus makes a pump action Thunderbolt .357 Magnum rifle. it sorta reminds me of a arcade type of gun.

https://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/C357BR.jpg


Navy Arms makes one too, but it is rather expensive. Looks nice though.

https://gearfireimages.s3.amazonaws.com/imagedb/image384810-b01eae575c3c37e09945f229e15a6bd3.jpg

[rockrat]

IMI made the Timberwolf 357 and 44 rifles many years (decades) ago

[Earlwb]

Well with Michigan and Indiana allowing hunters using straight walled cartridges of a limited length, there could be a bit of a resurgence for a bolt action rifle in .357 Magnum caliber. I think that one in .357 Maximum might be more versatile though.

[Catpop]

Lever yes, revolver yes, single shot break down maybe, bolt action never
Hum! Single shot on a savage 94 action or HR shotgun action. That sounds good!

[Bazoo]

If it was 300.00 i'd totally be interested. For me it'd be a working gun and not necessarily a toy.

Id like to see savage come out with a revamped line of the old 340 series in 357, 44 mag, 30-30 with a birch stock and a low price. Guns for those that need a gun, and not a collectors piece.

Thats one reason the old 30-30 has continued to be popular. Its extremely effective for its purpose yes, but its also easily had either in marlin or winchester for around 300.00.

[Bubba w/a 45/70]

Guys, what is the maximum COL for the 77/357 magazine?

This is what limits me, as my best shooting rounds are just able to fit in my Ruger revolver cyclinders, and are too long for a Colt cylinder......I will have to measure whenever the actual measurement is posted. And FWIW, the rounds function through my Henry perfectly, and just so through a Rossi 92.

Thanks ahead of time!

[mcdaniel.mac]

Guys, what is the maximum COL for the 77/357 magazine?

This is what limits me, as my best shooting rounds are just able to fit in my Ruger revolver cyclinders, and are too long for a Colt cylinder......I will have to measure whenever the actual measurement is posted. And FWIW, the rounds function through my Henry perfectly, and just so through a Rossi 92.

Thanks ahead of time!I don't have a Max, but I've loaded and cycled 1.62" COAL without issue.

Edit to add: nose shape makes a lot of difference. Wider, flatter noses seem less forgiving.

[hicard]

I just shot a friends Ruger 357 bolt action w/open sights and found it pleasant to shoot with both 38 and 357 loads and quite accurate at the 100 yds I was shooting at. My vote is yes. In fact I was going to buy the rifle I shot but my friend (?) asked to try the trigger and wouldn't hand it back to me and ended up buying it. I learned not to hand something to him if I intended on buying it.

[murf205]

I voted no but I would buy a new Marlin 44 mag in a second if the powers at be for Marlin/Remlin would tighten the twist to 1/20.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Ordered a 77/357 today. I usually hang out in the budget end of the rack and this'll be my most expensive gun to date. Fingers crossed I get a good one that shoots well and feeds 38's.

I really like the Ruger American Ranch Rifles, but my goal was a peep sighted offhand plinking rifle to put thousands of rounds through. The simplicity of reloading the 38 (or 357 if need be) vs 223, 300 AAC, or 7.62x39 and the availability of a peep sight tipped the scales to the 77. Plus I'm already set up for 357 and none of the others.

I've got a Benjamin 392 air rifle with a peep sight that I've put thousands of pellets through over the past two years, and would like to replicate the experience with a powder burner. I bought a Hi Point 9mm, and while accurate, it just doesn't do it for me. I looked hard at the Ruger 9 mm PC as well, but the semi autos seem to encourage blasting away vs thoughtful breathing and trigger control. I like the lighter weight/slimness of the 77 as well.

[Jeff Michel]

You going to love it. I shoot 105 Lee SWC with Promo/RedDot out of .38 Special cases. It's my walk around rifle for Prairie Dogs.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

I feel a little sick. Here is a smoking deal on one if someone wants to check it out...

http://www.armslist.com/posts/8527834/north-carolina-rifles-for-sale--ruger-m77-357

[dead dog]

Looks like scam to me but it might be real.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Looks like scam to me...

That's what I am going with!

[Texas by God]

It's flagged as a scam.

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[Time Killer]

Yep if the price was reasonable. I buy a 357 max bolt gun faster as it could shoot 38, 357 and 357 max

[jeffs4wheeler]

NO, already have a Marlin in 357

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Went to pick up my rifle today, but NICS was down so I couldn't bring it home. Trigger felt acceptable. A little creep, but a pretty clean break and not too terribly heavy. Everything looked alright for the most part, but it certainly isn't finished as well as some less expensive rifles.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Got my rifle home today. My LGS waived the transfer fee on the account of the second trip. Test fed some 38s with Lee 158 TL SWC and they seemed to feed just fine. Mag release does take a bit of getting used to. Test fired one target level 38 to test function and noise level. Fired fine and while no supersonic crack, did seem a bit louder than a standard velocity 22.

[Texas by God]

It just occurred to me how cool it would be to have a bolt action 357 with a tubular magazine.
Things that make you go hmm.

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[centershot]

No, I wouldn't buy one. But, a .357 MAX, now you got something - that I would buy!!

[Ramjet-SS]

I buy allot guns and threads like this are of great interest. But each time I explore a new option in an existing or new caliber I always remember the G2 and Encore frames I have and think about the options and opportunities to be unique. I think the platforms are just about perfect to play around with many different calibers.

[Lloyd Smale]

I voted smoking crack. Why a bolt when a lever gun is plenty accurate at the range a 357 is good for and is a lot more fun! Now if ruger would chamber something like the 44 mag carbine for it or someone else came out with a semi auto id probably bite. No use for any pistol caliber round in a bolt gun.

[Walks]

I voted no a while back, but no comment.
I have been shooting LEVER Guns in .357MAG for maybe 40yrs. I can scope a MARLIN any time, although I prefer a peep sight. I busted more Jackrabbits with a LEVER GUN out in the Mojave than I could ever count. You can't do that with a bolt gun. Although I've done it a time or two in my youth using the ancient family M1917 converted to .257ROB'T.
Bolt guns are for serious work, full size rifle cartridges.

Ya wanna plinking rifle, buy a .22 or else get a LEVER Gun.

[Doubleg]

Absolutely without hesitation -
Is this just a hypothetical question or is something up?

[Doubleg]

Ordered a 77/357 today. I usually hang out in the budget end of the rack and this'll be my most expensive gun to date. Fingers crossed I get a good one that shoots well and feeds 38's.

I really like the Ruger American Ranch Rifles, but my goal was a peep sighted offhand plinking rifle to put thousands of rounds through. The simplicity of reloading the 38 (or 357 if need be) vs 223, 300 AAC, or 7.62x39 and the availability of a peep sight tipped the scales to the 77. Plus I'm already set up for 357 and none of the others.

I've got a Benjamin 392 air rifle with a peep sight that I've put thousands of pellets through over the past two years, and would like to replicate the experience with a powder burner. I bought a Hi Point 9mm, and while accurate, it just doesn't do it for me. I looked hard at the Ruger 9 mm PC as well, but the semi autos seem to encourage blasting away vs thoughtful breathing and trigger control. I like the lighter weight/slimness of the 77 as well.

Farmer all bets say you will like the 77/357. I've had one for 5 years and love it. Shoots jacketed boolits and cast boolits great. For copper jackets, the Hornady XTP .430 158 & 180 gr work great. Slug your bore before you shoot lead. I've killed several deer in GA with that one (all under 100 yds) and since you reload, 38 spcl is fun for small game and plinking. Got me a 77/44 too. Just getting that one dialed in with cast boolits. You may consider doing two things for this rifle. Get some bolt shims from triggershims.com and make sure the barrel is not in contact with the stock. You can also get an aftermarket trigger that will help considerably with that rifle. I lapped my barrel with JB's bore compound to give the boolits a slick ride. I really like that rifle.

[bluelund79]

This one, as well as it’s 44mag brother are always on my list. I have a 357mag Winchester levee fun, and a H&R in 357 mag. The Winchester is NIB, as I can’t justify shooting it when the H&R is just an absolute tack driver. My 9yr old and I can both ring a 300yd gong (with lots of hold over) with factory loads and a 4x fixed Weaver. My 13yr old and I have killed more deer than I care to count with a Ruger 99/44 semi auto. I also have a Rossi M92 in 44mag that serves as my four wheeler/truck gun. I’d love the bolt gun version of both, but they’ll have to wait until I retire in TX or AL. Only a few more years. Until then, I’ll live vicariously through you all.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Farmer all bets say you will like the 77/357. I've had one for 5 years and love it. Shoots jacketed boolits and cast boolits great. For copper jackets, the Hornady XTP .430 158 & 180 gr work great. Slug your bore before you shoot lead. I've killed several deer in GA with that one (all under 100 yds) and since you reload, 38 spcl is fun for small game and plinking. Got me a 77/44 too. Just getting that one dialed in with cast boolits. You may consider doing two things for this rifle. Get some bolt shims from triggershims.com and make sure the barrel is not in contact with the stock. You can also get an aftermarket trigger that will help considerably with that rifle. I lapped my barrel with JB's bore compound to give the boolits a slick ride. I really like that rifle.

Thanks! I put 90 rounds through it the other day. Once I found my hold, I was able to hit an 8 inch plate 4/5 times at 75 yards with the stock sights. Hope to do better once I do some proper load development. I got some leading near the throat but I was pushing a LLA lubed ACWW boolit pretty hard with Promo. I cleaned it with chore boy and JB. Should be fine if I back off the load a bit. I tried a 360 DW case in it and it has a much shorter chamber than my Handi had. Not even a chance it will chamber, where it chambered easily in the Handi. Word of warning though, I let the bolt lugs get a bit dry and the one doing most of the work (Ruger tolerances at work here) tried to gall up a bit. I did some light polishing, lubed them up with some lithium grease and it seems to be okay, but something to be aware of. I also ordered a Wolff trigger spring for it to see what it does before jumping to the Volquartsen sear. As it sits, the trigger is not bad at all, just a touch of creep and maybe a 5lb pull. A 1 lb reduction would make me pretty happy with it. Still got a peep sight to order, but I'm going to see what I can do with the stock sights to start with. I've also got a pipe dream of carving a wood stock for it, one with a touch more meat on it. Not sure if it'll happen or not, it'd be my first, but winter is coming...

[cwlongshot]

no, i wouldn't buy one. But, a .357 max, now you got something - that i would buy!!

100% agreed!! Take my money!

Cw

[gnostic]

Rimmed cases don't feed well from magazines...

[Texas by God]

Rimmed cases don't feed well from magazines...Unless it's an Enfield or a Mosin:-)

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[clodhopper]

Followed this thread for 8 years now.
Voted yes today, bought a 77-357 several years ago.
Yep it was pricey, sucks as a bench gun.
When .22 long rifle was hard to get, this was my solution.
A wonderful rifle for walking around making quick shots offhand.
Inexpensive to reload, very easy to see impact, mild report, and recoil.

Why worry about 357 max with it's hard to source brass and rifles to shoot it from.

[clodhopper]

A forum member PMed for more info.

From sandbags it will shoot 1 1/2 -2 1/2 inches at 50 yards. with home made 185 grain jacketed bullets formed from 9mm cases. The bullets are formed in a .223 rem resizing die. then sized back down to .358 in a lee push through size die. This process is far from optimum, don't even use a core seat die.
From a bipod much worse.

The rifle is sized for someone about 5'4", I'm 6'2". Real nice for carrying, tough to shoot well from a bench.

Feeding was a problem with Keith style bullets. Jacketed bullets with a curve, positive bolt action, and winding the mag follower spring to 2-1/2 revolutions of tension has made most of those problems go away.

The poor bench showing does not translate into a poor squirrel rifle, at 30 to 40 yards ground squirrels are easy. Head shots often show daylight through them.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Couldn't get the front screw on my 77/357 out. I started by grinding a screwdriver down for a perfect fit. Success finally came by grabbing the screwdriver with vice grips for some extra torque. There did not appear to be any locktite or similar schmoo on the screw so my previous attempts at applying heat multiple times with a red hot screwdriver were pointless. Also, the large brass ferrule around the screw sucked the heat right back out of screw before it ever made it to the threads making it that much more pointless.

Once I got it apart I installed the Wolff trigger spring. It is longer but lighter than the stock spring. It virtually eliminated the small amount of creep present with the stock spring. $7.50 it cost me with shipping, it was probably worth it. I don't really need the 1-2lb trigger offered by the sear options in a knocking around rifle that the kids will be using.

[jaysouth]

Ruger RAR Ranch Rifle in .357 Max would a sweet dream.

[tja6435]

I'd love a Ruger RAR in .357 Max, but I doubt Ruger would even look at it until one of the big ammo companies begins manufacturing it again.

Starline has brass, has had it for a while now.

[Earlwb]

I was thinking that there is some demand for a .357 mag or .44mag bolt action rifle. We now have one or more states with a restrictive hunting area or season where you are only allowed to use straight sided cartridge case ammunition. So a rifle setup for these types of cartridges would be fairly popular then. Granted not a huge demand though. I can see someone rechambering a bolt action rifle for the .357 maximum too. Since the action is likely yhe same as they use for .308 Win rounds, it would not be a problem with the .357 Maximum.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

I installed a NECG peep sight and Volquartsen sear/spring. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but they seem like good improvements...