Totally blind about paper patching

[maddog2020]

Ok its got my mind/brain slowly throwing sparks and the smell of wire burning[smilie=b:[smilie=b:[smilie=b:[smilie=b:

how the heck does .it work, done, what is benefits and do I need special molds?
Can I use what I got.....................

:hijack::hijack:

[pdawg_shooter]

Ok its got my mind/brain slowly throwing sparks and the smell of wire burning[smilie=b:[smilie=b:[smilie=b:[smilie=b:

how the heck does .it work, done, what is benefits and do I need special molds?
Can I use what I got.....................

:hijack::hijack:

It works by placing paper between the lead and the bore. NO LEADING. It also supports the bullet under acceleration, and that limits deformation giving better accuracy. Any mould will work, but you need to size the bullet down to .001/.0015 over BORE diameter then patch it up to .001/.003 over GROOVE diameter. I patch as large as will fit the throat. Then lube and run through a final die to remove excess lube and "iron on" the patch. Load like jacketed and go a shootin! If you are serious about patching, get a copy of Paul Mathews book "The Paper Jacket" from Wolff publishing.

[maddog2020]

so it can go on any bullet..... handgun loads stay as is?

any type paper?
cooking paper? like the wife uses to make cookies on in the oven
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[Multigunner]

so it can go on any bullet..... handgun loads stay as is?

any type paper?
cooking paper? like the wife uses to make cookies on in the oven
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I don't think I've ever seen a paper patched handgun bullet. I would think the cylinder gap and forcing cone might lead to the paper being stripped away to jam in the gap.

[maddog2020]

I am sticking to gas checks....to much work for so few options

[303Guy]

The specific benefits of paper patching is the ability to drive a cast lead alloy boolit to full rifle velocities and to use a softer alloy with game getting qualities. It also polishes and cleans the bore. It might be of benefit to pistols and revolvers in that it would polish the bore and forcing cone to improve plain cast shooting. You would not want to mass produce paper patched boolits.

[pdawg_shooter]

I have used paper in handguns, both autos and revolvers, however there is nothing to be gained over lubed lead. Maybe in a .454 but I don have one. In a rifle you can get jacketed performance for a fraction of the cost. Then there is the pleasure of taking game with a bullet you made in a round you loaded.

[maddog2020]

all I shoot is handuns, I do shoot a striker chamber in 308 win
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/b00mer_2008/red308.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/b00mer_2008/red308a.jpg

[docone31]

Sweet looking pistol!
I had an XP-100 redone in 338/06 AI.
It did fire, was not fun. Mine had reciever sights.
Got a lot of attention in the unlimited class in IHMSA.
MY buddy in .458 Mag, broke his wrist.

[303Guy]

Holy cow!:holysheep

A gun like that would be real sweet with a reflex semi-suppressor - that would take all the nasty recoil out of it (and most of the muzzle blast) and not add too much length.

[maddog2020]

the 308 really don't have a lot of recoil.
It does have a 15" barrel
could not get it all in picture. Nikon Monarch scope with Leupold base and rings
it surprised me ...... Was thinking of trying to trade it for a ruger shr in 454 or 480.


I have a SRH 9 1/2 44mag that has slightly more then the 308
but I shoot a 310 grain .430 bullet from it

[Fly]

Here is my Question? Quote "Any mould will work, but you need to size the bullet down to .001/.0015 over BORE diameter then patch it up to .001/.003 over GROOVE diameter.

Well that sounds good BUT?Say a .308 bullet dia mold kicks out a .308 & I need to size
the boolit down to say .300.Won't sizing down that much distort the boolit?How much
can you size down with out getting in troble?

[docone31]

Size the casting to .308
Two wraps with notebook paper
Size to .309.
BadaBing BadaBoom

[Fly]

docone31 you dee man.Why I make things so hard?So you are saying there really is no need to
to size the Booit to the bore dia.You just need the paper jacket .001 to .002 over grove dia.

Fly

[docone31]

Yeppir.

[303Guy]

the 308 really don't have a lot of recoil.
It does have a 15" barrelIt would be interesting to see how it would perform with paper patching. I would say it's definately a candidate. Worth a try anyway. Using docone31's advice, it should be sweet!

Size the casting to .308
Two wraps with notebook paper
Size to .309.
BadaBing BadaBoom

[res45]

Ok I have one for the Paper Patch Masters here,I trying to wrap my brain around all the info at once so you know how that goes.

I have a Mosin M44 it shoot great with both .311 J bullets and my Lee TL GC 160 gr. bore riders,the back driving band on the TL mold drops at .313 and isn't touch when I GC the bullet using a Lee .314 sizer die. The groove to groove dia. on the Mosin is .312

I think it may shoot even better than it does if I can get the bullet dia. up to .314 which the PP would do. I've beagled the mold and dropped a few oversized slugs but the GC's are a PITA to apply being the base is now larger.

So here are a few questions,will the TL bullet work or should I use another mold with traditional grease grooves. If the TL bullet will work for PP purposes where on the bullet should I start the wrap right at the crimp groove or possibly on the first TL groove and how far does the paper need to extend below the base of the bullet.

I'm thinking I don't need to apply a GC using the PP? And as far as a lube for the paper I have access to about any kind of wax,grease,Alox or JPW or combination there of. I use a load of 16.0 grs. of 2400 for the majority of my cast bullet loads in the Mosin. Sorry for the long post just trying to cover as many bases as I can think of. Thanks Ron

[303Guy]

res45, I think it would be worth a try. I would try patching right up to the ogive shoulder. If the boolit won't go far enough into the bore then try a little further back.

I am using a paper that is pretty compressable (printer paper) and as long as the neck grip is high enough, I can force them into the rifling and extract them again. Printer paper might be too thick for your needs. Then there is the issue of patch disintegration at the muzzle. If the rifling cuts it to strips, it'll come off otherwise a little more powder may be needed.

Something I have tried in my 'test tube' is a half patch with the exposed nose lubed. The patch came off at the muzzle and there was no leading. I did not range test this so ..... ?