Lyman 457122 HP

[Ben]

I don't see much in print about the Lyman , Gould, 457122 HP being sized to .454 " and being shoot out of the 45 Long Colt.

I have some loads ( loaded in 45 Long Colt brass ) for my Ruger Super RedHawk 454 Casull revolver that I fired today. Let me emphasis that these loads should not be fired in a conventional 45 Long Colt revolver.

I think I've found " THE LOAD " for this particular revolver.

Ben

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[DragoonDrake]

Ben I made your lube, now I must try your load. Hopefully I do as well as you.

[Ben]

DragoonDrake :

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Remember - - - don't shoot that load in a regular 45 Long Colt Revolver !

Shoot this load out of 454 Casull Revolvers only.

Ben

[fredj338]

I used to size RCBS 300grFP down to shoot out of my 45colts @ 1000fps. I have turned to the RCBS270SAA, which weighs in @ 285gr cast from ww/ With a cup point, still goes 270gr & expands well @ 1000fps. It also shoots well to sub 2" offhand groups @ 25yds (about as good as my old eyes can hold anymore).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/452-268-1K.jpg

[Maven]

Outstanding results Ben!

[DragoonDrake]

Ben I have the same gun that you used. I am not too worried.

[Ben]

DragoonDrake :

OK , I wasn't clear on that, I was just concerned that someone who might have a turn of the century Colt and slip those loads into it..........NOT GOOD ! !

Thanks,

Ben

[Glen]

About 15 years ago I did something similar with a .45 Colt TC barrel. You're right, it works really well!

http://www.lasc.us/FryxellOldNewBorrowed.htm

[Southern Son]

Scary looking boolit. Damn good shooting.

[Ben]

Glen :

Thanks for that link, I can truthfully say that I enjoy your writings on cast bullets and the shooting of cast bullets above all others !

Many thanks,

Ben

[George Tucker]

I have used that bullet in the 45-70 for yrs, kills very well on any game i tried it on, the ole Gould bullet is as good today as it was yrs ago, George.

[MtGun44]

Looks and sounds great, but at 6 yds almost anything will go into one hole.

Couple of times I was forced to use only the 12 yd range when checking some new
loads. Turned out to be a total waste of time and ammo. ALL loads were essentially
one hole, even ones that later turned out to be pretty poor accy at 25 yds. I no
longer even attempt to test ammo at less than 25 yds and 50yds is where you can
really start to tell the good loads from the mediocre loads.

I expect that load will be really effective on deer, but I think the jury is still out
on accuracy.

[Southern Son]

I think that it says 6 SHOTS at 25 YARDS, don't it?

[Ben]

MtGun44 :

" 6 yards " ? ? ?

[Ben]

I no longer even attempt to test ammo at less than 25 yds and 50yds is where you can really start to tell the good loads from the mediocre loads.

I could not agree more...............

Ben

[fredj338]

Looks and sounds great, but at 6 yds almost anything will go into one hole.

Couple of times I was forced to use only the 12 yd range when checking some new
loads. Turned out to be a total waste of time and ammo. ALL loads were essentially
one hole, even ones that later turned out to be pretty poor accy at 25 yds. I no
longer even attempt to test ammo at less than 25 yds and 50yds is where you can
really start to tell the good loads from the mediocre loads.

I expect that load will be really effective on deer, but I think the jury is still out
on accuracy.
For hunting/target ammo, yep, 25yds is where to start. For service pistol ammo, I am quite happy shooting for groups @ 15yds offhand. I get a kick out of guys posting their "accuracy" targets shot @ 7yds. Even really poor ammo will shoot into 1 hole @ 7yds.

[Glen]

Ben --

Did you chronograph that load? Also what alloy are those Goulds cast out of?

Way back when I was playing with that bullet in the TC's, I also tried a few loaded to the OAL you're using and tried them out of my Ruger Blackhawks. The only powder I tried was 296, and things worked out OK, but I didn't get the level of accuracy that you're getting with your SRH (I only tried a couple of loads). I like the way you've approached this project. Unfortunately I sold off my 454 SRH several years ago, or I would be out in the garage loading some stuff up along these lines, aiming for about 1200 fps using 4227 or 4198. Nice work!

[Ben]

Glen:

I did not crony the load.

The alloy is straight ACWW's with just enough tin ( maybe 1 % ) to get the bullet to fill out well on the drive bands .

Ben

[Glen]

This thread triggered an old memory and I went digging around in my ammo stuff and found a box of 20 rounds of 454 Casull ammo that I had loaded years ago with the Gould bullet. I used Starline 454 Casull brass and seated them deeper than you did and crimped over the forward driving band for an OAL of 1.742".

I probably loaded this stuff 6 or 8 years ago, and haven't fired a one of them yet. I guess I'd better take this stuff out and do some shooting, huh?

[MtGun44]

I guess I shouldn't read faster than I can read. . . . :roll:

I thought it was kinda strange distance, but I have been in a hurry or only had my
back yard or something when I had a new toy and just HAD to try it out, so I was
thinking it was something like that.

A group like that is really great, pretty darned hard to do with any gun in any caliber. Clearly the boolit suits the pistol, even if it was originally designed
for a rifle.

It will sure do the job on a deer, too.

I'd love to see what it would do at 50, and as good as it is, it may be a really good one
even out to 100 yds.

Bill

[Ben]

Not a problem Bill.

Best to you,

Ben

[Ben]

This thread triggered an old memory and I went digging around in my ammo stuff and found a box of 20 rounds of 454 Casull ammo that I had loaded years ago with the Gould bullet. I used Starline 454 Casull brass and seated them deeper than you did and crimped over the forward driving band for an OAL of 1.742".

I probably loaded this stuff 6 or 8 years ago, and haven't fired a one of them yet. I guess I'd better take this stuff out and do some shooting, huh?

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Give us a report on how they shoot .

Ben

[w30wcf]

Ben,
Nice looking round! Thank you for the report. It brought back some memories.

Back in the mid 1970's I became interested in IHMSA. The 200 meter Rams at the club that I competed at were a bit troublsome even for the .44 magnum factory equivalent 240 gr. loads. They were about 70% positive.

I started experimenting with heavier bullets in my Ruger .45 Colt. I decided on the 457192 which was the 457122 without the hollow point. The bullet weighed 352 grs. After experimenting with different powders / charge weights, I settled on 20 grs. of 296 which produced just about 1,100 fps in the Ruger's 7 1/2" barrel.
That recipe proved to be 100% positive on the 200M Ram.

It was very satisfying for me to tell the .44 Magnum shooters that I was shooting a century old cartridge and wasn't having any problem at all knocking down those 200M rams:lol:

J.D.Jones attended those early matches at the same club. He was not much of a .45 Colt fan, but was interested in the load I was using. I gave him some bullets and the loading data and he reported back that it was the only revolver cartridge that would knock his 250 yard steel mastadon(!) target down. I guess he thought enough of it to include the information in the book published on Silhouette Shooting.
Shortly thereafter he was having molds produced for heavier bullets in the .44.

Interestingly, in the early 1990's Hodgdon published loads for 350 gr. bullets in the .45 Colt and listed 20.0 grs. of 296 as max / 29,900cup....plenty safe in the Ruger.

There was a long running thread on the 457122 in the 1894 Marlin on the Beartooth Bullet forum a few years back.
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=22882

w30wcf

[Dale53]

Ben;
That is an impressive group. I have that bullet mould (bought it for my Ruger #3 in 45/70). I haven't tried it in my Marlin 1895, yet. If it's not too long (shouldn't be) it'll be a dandy in the Marlin.

I think that it should work well in my SS Ruger .45 Colt (5½"). I'll bet the recoil is substantial in a revolver...

NOTE:
I have a friend who actually has a Lyman four cavity mould in the Gould SOLID bullet. So, the idea is to save the hollow points for hunting and practice with the solid points. I borrowed the mould and cast up a batch for practice. When I returned the mould I took him some hollow points - we often help each other out from time to time.

FWIW
Dale53

[Ben]

Dale:

Helping each other out is what this " game " is all about.

Ben

[Dale53]

Dale:

Helping each other out is what this " game " is all about.

Ben

AMEN!

Dale53

[bigboredad]

Dale
I have a blackhawk in 5.5 and i shoot the lee 340 grain that is listed for the 45/70 With 9 grains of unique or 15 grains of 2400 it is surprisingly easy to shoot. With both hitting a 6 inch steel plate is not that hard and my chrono says they are going a touch over 1100fps