6.5 Swede Whats your most accurate load

[Turk]

Greetings group: How about your most accurate shoot for score match loads. Dont care about velocity, just high scores or tight groups. So far my best has been 10 into 1.035 at 100 yds using a m-38 with a 10x Burris LER mounted in the rear sight base. load was 12.2 gr Unique, a cut off Lee CM 150 gr.268 cast of 6% ant / 2% tin,Norma brass,full sized,neck expand to .267 no crimp,2.875 oal,Wolf LR primer. neck was expanded using an M type expander the start step of the expander plug was sized so the tip of the case had about zero clearance for about .030 to center the case in chamber. thats where I'm at so far,but allways looking for the better way. Like to thank all on this board for shareing there info.--- Turk

[Turk]

I need to shoot 10 5 shot groups to see if this load is consistant and repeatable ,I got this group within a series of tests. I have only shot 3 groups with this load,the 1.035 a 1.155, and a 1.270. These were 10 shot groups measureing the best 8.---Turk

[mike in co]

what was the 10 shot group size ?

i run a mil bolt action match that is 5 10 shot strings. the first 2 strings are group, and the last three strings are score...BUT we count all 10 shots.....


our best, to date. is a swede 96 with jacketed bullets at 1.6".

mike in co

[Turk]

Mike: the 1.035 for 8 was 1.400 for 10,the1.155 was 1.815 for 10, the 1.270 was 1.500 for 10.---Turk

[mike in co]

thats good.

where do you get to shoot that combination in competition ?

we allow a 4x twice a year at our clun once at 100 and once at 200.

mike in co

[Turk]

Mike: thats my test setup we have to shoot issue sights,Wichita ks---Turk

[curator]

35 grains of WC860, 28 grains of IMR4350, 22 grains of Reloder7, 15 grains of WC820. All give about 1650 fps with 140 grain .267 LBT SP boolit gas checked and lubed with LBT blue. 5-shot 1" groups are ordinary on my scoped Swede rifles

[StarMetal]

Turk,

Larry Gibson asked me to dig up his Unique load for the Swede as he's not at home on his home computer. I believe this is the post he was talking about so here it is:

I also suggest you try some Unique powder. If you do try 9 - 10.5 gr in 1/2 gr increments. Shoot at the same 100 yards. Lift the barrel about 45 degrees before firing to "position" the powder. I also will suggest you initially use 5 shot strings. My testing over 40 years does not show that "conditioning" improves accuracy. However in many rifles with rougher bores like milsurps 2-3 "foulers" are necessary for best accuracy. Thus i suggest you shoot 2-3 foulers of 9 gr Unique before beginning the test of the additional strings with no additional cleaning between this limited number of strings/shots.

If you really want to use 2400 then I suggest a 3/4 gr dacron filler be used to keep the powder positioned for better ignition. As Dutchman stated use 12-14 gr in 1 gr increments (with the filler). Your velocities with your other 2400 loads are just too high.

Given your previous shooting experience, even with the adversities of age creeping in, and that you can shoot moa or so groups with that rifle with J bullets then there is no reason you can't shoot cast bullets well. Just remember the M96 has a long lock time and a heavy "clunk" when the striker hits home which disturbs aim. With velocities down in the 1300-1500 fps range (where best accuracy can be easiest found) there is also a long barrel time. Given the longer barrel time and the "clunk" of the striker plus longer lock time it is necessary to "hard Hold" the Swede for best accuracy.

Larry Gibson

[damron g]

"If you really want to use 2400 then I suggest a 3/4 gr dacron filler be used to keep the powder positioned for better ignition."

I dont have ignition problems with 2400 or Unique in cases as large as the 375 H&H and velocites an accuracy are very uniform.I shoot 12.0 of Unique in many large cases as a "standard load" and dont find i need to tip the gun for good accuracy.In CBA mlitary matches 2400 and 5744 are the tops and wads/fillers are not used,If they helped accuracy they would use them. My standard 30-06 plainbase loads are 7.0-8.0 of BE or 8-9 of Unique un oriented. The SD's are often single digit but accuracy may not always be the greatest(plainbase are a battle all to themselves),at least its uniform velocity wise<G>

"My testing over 40 years does not show that "conditioning" improves accuracy"

I have a Springfield 30-06 and Finn 28-30 7.62 x54 that refuse to shoot until the bores are filled up with lube.Both bores are less than stellar,and when cleaned needed 20 or so shots to start grouping again.Also my plainbase 30-06 loads dont start settling down unitl about 5-6 shots after i clean the barrel.
Maybe we are not calling conditioning the same thing??

only my oppnions.

George

[Bret4207]

George, your experience mirrors mine. But each gun is a law unto itself. I've have it on good authority from people I trust that their guns don't respond to conditioning at all. I also have an FR8 308 that seems to bear them out rather obviously. That old girl will eat anything, jacketed and cast mixed even, and still plop them into a nice round group. Others I won require a surgically clean barrel with 6-10 rounds of cast WITH THE LUBE I AM USING before they settle down. Switch lubes and groups open for a number of shots.

Weird.

[damron g]

WITH THE LUBE I AM USING before they settle down. Switch lubes and groups open for a number of shots.

I have similar results often when changing lube,

George

[1Shirt]

Yep, I also have group changes when changing lubes. Seems logical to me!
1Shirt!:coffee: