Ruger Blackhawk .327 Fed Mag

[trapper9260]

Can anyone tell me about Ruger Blackhawk .327 Fed Mag and if they have any data on it for Jacket and cast Bullets. I know it is a new gun that came out and what all the 32 cals I can shoot in it.

[6pt-sika]

You can shoot 327 Federal , 32 H&R MAG and 32 S&W .

I had a 327 Federal in a Ruger SP101 and it's a pretty neat cartridge to mess with .

As to the new Blackhawk it comes with an 8 shot cylinder and they also make the GP100 with a 7 shot cylinder .

[Bret4207]

32 S+W Long also.

[mooman76]

There is an artical on it in this months American Rifleman. I've been curious about it since it came out.

[Guesser]

Handloader Magazine #258, Feb.'09, has an extensive article by Brian Pearce on loading the 327. I used the data as my starting load development for my Charter Arms Target Patriot. I've been at it for almost a year and have settled on Lyman 311316 from AC WW and sized .313 over AA#7 and working towards AA#9. Good cartridge with great possibilities but don't look at it as a solution to a need, its not; it's just fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trapper9260]

There is an artical on it in this months American Rifleman. I've been curious about it since it came out.

I have read that artical also . I wanted to get myself a 32 H&R Mag but I could only at the time get it not what i really wanted but would of settle for that one ,until I seen the artical on the 327 mag blackhawk and now I have one on order. That is why I am asking about it. I know it is new you can say . There is no reloading data that I can find or what dies that would work. I was thinking if the ones for the 32 H&R Mag would work ,but I do not know .

[Guesser]

I use Lee 32 S&W Long dies for 32 Long, 32 Magnum, and 327 Magnum. Just a matter of adjusting expander and seat/crimp dies

[9.3X62AL]

What Guesser said.

Has Starline re-thought their position on not making 327 Federal brass? I'm not keen on having to buy factory ammo to get brass. That said, the Blackhawk is calling to me.

[Old Goat Keeper]

Trapper9260 go to RealGuns.com and GunBlasts.com. Both sites have done handloading work with the 327 Federal. As of this time Starline is not making 327 brass. I think they are waiting to see if it takes off or is just another flash in the pan. The best deal to get brass that I have found is to buy the American Eagle 100 grn soft point ammo at about $22 for 50 rounds. BTW, I have a GP-100 and love it in this caliber!

Tom who's waiting for a lever carbine in 327 Federal

[S.R.Custom]

...Has Starline re-thought their position on not making 327 Federal brass? I'm not keen on having to buy factory ammo to get brass. That said, the Blackhawk is calling to me.

Starline can go pound sand. Freedom Arms has empty, primed Federal brass. I don't have my price sheet in front of me, but 1K pieces is in the neighborhood of $200.

[gifford]

Pierce's article is pretty good, read it at the time, but since the American Rifleman's story, I'm getting more interested. I'd get the Blackhawk version, guess I should talk to the gunshop folks.

[Trey45]

Freedom Arms has empty, primed Federal brass. I don't have my price sheet in front of me, but 1K pieces is in the neighborhood of $200.

I just looked all over their website, and downloaded their "catalog" and see no mention at all of brass of any kind, can you please post a link?

[trapper9260]

Trey45 I had check the web site my self and i could not find any brass also.

[S.R.Custom]

I just looked all over their website, and downloaded their "catalog" and see no mention at all of brass of any kind, can you please post a link?

From their November 2009 Retail Price List, on their "Reloading Products" page:

Stock #/Quantity/Price:

955-0400/100/$23.00
955-0410/500/$109.25

Last time I ordered was for a thousand in early February. Call 'em. Very polite & helpful folks.
Their phone number: 307-883-2005

[Trey45]

Awesome! Thanks!

[redneckdan]

I wish they had done it in a single six sized frame instead of the blackhawk frame.

[9.3X62AL]

Both options presented by Super Mag and Old Goat Keeper are quite viable--thanks to both for that info. I'll likely get ammo or brass before scoring a revolver--not the first time I've pulled that stunt, either.

[376Steyr]

I, too, was hoping for a Single-Six size frame. I suspect the Ruger engineers wanted to do one too; but when they figured in their factors of safety, and the types of steel they wanted to use, the Single-Six frame and cylinder as currently configured weren't adequate. So they gave us a 48 (!) oz. Blackhawk to tide us over until something better comes along. Me, I'm holding out for a 9-shot Super Redhawk. ;)

[bearcove]

Sounds like it might be fun but when I consider brass, molds... The good ol'357 looks better and better. .38 wadcutters do small stuff and .357 swc will do for a deer.

[6pt-sika]

I'd kinda like to have one of the Blackhawks .

But when I sold my SP101 I let the dies and about 200 pieces of ammo or brass go with the gun !

Don't really want to go thru the trouble of replacing all that stuff .

I reloaded jacketed and cast for the 327 when I had mine .

[S.R.Custom]

... I'll likely get ammo or brass before scoring a revolver--not the first time I've pulled that stunt, either.

That's actually a sound plan. Unless things have changed drastically since February, procurement of the the gun is the easy part.

[9.3X62AL]

The other end of the question is a choice between a Blackhawk in 30 Carbine or the BH in 327. I currently have ammo--brass--tooling--and components in 30 Carbine, but no firearm. I have the tooling for 327, but that's it. I'm inclined to think that the 30 Carbine and the 327 in a revolver are pretty close ballistically, and one can always adapt 32-20 cases to the 30 Carbine revolver chambers if required. A decision--one way or the other--will happen later this year, and is the second acquisition scheduled for this year--the Glock 23 being the first, which was too cheap to pass up and WAY too useful to ignore.

[Combat Diver]

Word of caution on the Blackhawk .30 Carbine is that it is very loud with standard loads. Then there is 6 vs. 8 rds and the different loads you can shoot in the .327. I believe you could also shoot .32 ACP as it is a semi rimmed case, same bullet dia and lower pressure. The rim is a bit shorter so the possiblity of misfires is present but don't know and case should still headspace on the rim.

[NHlever]

To the OP's original question. All .32 H&R loading data can be safely used in both .32 H&R, and .327 Federal brass when it is to be fired in one of the new Rugers.

[S.R.Custom]

...I'm inclined to think that the 30 Carbine and the 327 in a revolver are pretty close ballistically...

To paraphrase a joke I've told previously-- do you like your .30 carbine rimmed or rimless?

But the .327 does make the idea of a 3-cylindered Ruger Convertible a viable one. (With "viable" being one of those relative terms.) Imagine one gun that could shoot the .327 Federal, the H&R Mag, .30 Carbine, and the 32-20?

Wipe the spittle off your chin you mid-bore fanatic, you.

[leadman]

I had a Single Six in 32 H&R that I used to shoot 32acp in. No problems and actually pretty accurate. Made a good squirrel load.

I read that the cylinder on the Single Six is too short for the 327. Is that true??

At the pressure the 327 operates at I imagine it is as loud as the 30 carbine in the BH.

[Bullshop]

leadman
I talked to a Texas smith recently that told me the single six can be made to handle the 327 Federal. They re barrel or re cut the forcing cone so that it is flush with the frame then make a cylinder that is the full length of the cylinder window.
He told me they are even making 5 shot cylinders in 38 special for the single six and fitting in the same manner. Fit this way the forcing cone is fully supported inside the frame so can be thin enough to handle 38 cal but not suffer erosion issues as an unsupported forcing cone may, such as the S&W 66 did with 357 mag loads.
Now that would be a handy packing little gun with a bumble bee size sting.
BIC/BS

[McKenzie]

Starline can go pound sand. Freedom Arms has empty, primed Federal brass. I don't have my price sheet in front of me, but 1K pieces is in the neighborhood of $200.

I checked with Freedom Arms yesterday and they are out of the 327 brass. I was all set to order some. Day late, dollar short.

[S.R.Custom]

I checked with Freedom Arms yesterday and they are out of the 327 brass. I was all set to order some. Day late, dollar short.

Sorry to hear it. It did seem like an odd item for them to carry... I'm guessing they bought a boat load for the purposes of making their .224-327, and sold off the 'surplus'. And now that the surplus is gone, who knows if they'll ever have it again. (I have no idea how that .224-327 thing is working out for them.)

[9.3X62AL]

Wipe the spittle off your chin you mid-bore fanatic, you.

Is it THAT obvious?