Old powder info???????????

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Hey there reloaders,

I am looking for info on what is probably a shotgun and possibly a handgun powder.

Ball type, WW450 LS.

A friend has what appears to be about 10lbs in good usable condition, but having trouble finding info.

I find Olin 452 in some of my books, but that is as close as I can get.

Anyone have info or know where to look.

Hope to use this for something other then making the lawn grow.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[Rocky Raab]

Never heard of it.

If it is NOT in a typical retail package, I suspect that it is a non-canister powder of some kind: surplus, pulldown or from some other source. If so, you are strictly on your own as to suitability and load data.

[clearwater]

Hey there reloaders,

I am looking for info on what is probably a shotgun and possibly a handgun powder.

Ball type, WW450 LS.

A friend has what appears to be about 10lbs in good usable condition, but having trouble finding info.

I find Olin 452 in some of my books, but that is as close as I can get.

Anyone have info or know where to look.

Hope to use this for something other then making the lawn grow.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

link

http://forum.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=195151

[MtGun44]

Be aware that if it is chemically like 452AA it has a reverse temperature reaction
to other powders. A load that is nice at 80F can be too high a pressure at
20F. We ran into this in IPSC in the 80s when guys were making major just fine
at 35F when developing loads in the winter or spring. In the summer at 80-90F
they were not able to make major caliber at big matches that pulled ammo and
chronoed it. That is an irritation but not dangerous. Working up a max load
in a hot summer and using it when hunting in winter could be.

Just a word to the wise on an oddball powder characteristic I have run across.

[foxtrotter]

I have in my hands a Olin pamphlet dated Jun 1968 That lists it "for target and standard velocity shot shell loads-- to be used in AA tubes or W-W paper tubes and tubes of similar internal dimensions." There are some loads listed but no handgun loads.

[swheeler]

Speer #8 has limited data for 38 S&W, 38 Spcl and 45 ACP

[BerdanIII]

Winchester 450-LS Data

From: Speer #8, 1970:

.38 S&W
148-gr - Speer BB Wadcutter - 2.7 grs - 707 fps to 3.0 grs - 779 fps
(Red Dot 2.8 - 760 fps to 3.1 grs - 835 fps)
158-gr - Speer Lead Semi-wadcutter - 2.3 grs - 621 fps to 2.7 grs - 704 fps
(Red Dot 2.3 - 664 fps to 2.7 grs - 740 fps)

.38 Special
148-gr - Speer BB Wadcutter - 3.1 grs - 698 fps to 4.1 grs - 910 fps - CCI 550 primer
(Red Dot 3.2 - 798 fps to 4.2 grs - 986 fps)
148-gr - Speer HB Wadcutter - 2.7 grs - 690 fps to 3.4 grs - 870 fps - CCI 550 primer
(Red Dot 2.8 grs - 784 fps to 3.5 grs - 936 fps)
148-gr - Speer HB Wadcutter - 3.0 grs - 736 fps - CCI 550 primer - lightest powder charge for reliable functioning and excellent accuracy in a standard Smith & Wesson Model 52 Target Auto. Pistol.
(Red Dot - 2.8 grs - 736 fps)
158-gr - Speer Lead SWC or RN - 4.0 grs - 822 fps to 4.5 grs - 938 fps - CCI 550 primer
(Red Dot 4.2 grs - 934 fps to 4.7 grs - 1037 fps

.45 ACP
185-gr - Cast SWC - 4.7 grs - 751 fps to 5.1 grs - 803 fps
(Red Dot 4.2 grs - 776 fps to 4.7 grs - 854 fps)
200-gr - Speer SWC - 4.5 grs - 726 fps to 5.0 grs - 796 fps
(Red Dot 4.0 grs - 747 fps to 4.5 - 809 fps)

No other handgun loads were listed.

Red Dot loads from the same manual included as a comparison.

Ten pounds of powder at the above charge weights will last a VERY long time.

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Thanks so much fellers!

You and other are most helpfu!:bigsmyl2:

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[Rocky Raab]

From me as well. Learned something new - at my age!