Need a load for this bullet in 30/30

[jh45gun]

I do not know the bullet number these were given to me I plan on shooting them in my 30/30 model 94 single shot since they are a 30 cal pointed (Spitzer) bullet sized .310. All I can tell you is they are a gas checked pointed bullet that has 3 grease grooves and weighs with the gas check and lube applied they weigh 134 grains. Checking the length with my Caliper I get .826 with the gas check on it.

The powders I have on hand are 2400 and Unique. Since these will be plinking loads I would like to use Unique. There is nothing close to this in the Lyman Cast bullet hand book. Closest is a 122 grain and it does not show Unique or 2400.

Anyone got any suggestions for a load.

My normal load for 30/30 is 17 grains of 2400 with a Ideal 311407 bullet or equivalent. Since I do have these 134 grain ones I would like to shoot them up. Like I said I would like to use Unique for these if I can.

[felix]

Start with 10 grains Unique, and then work DOWN, using a pinch of pillow stuffing to cover the powder. Should be accurate enough somewhere in that powder volume. If another load appears in this thread with actual statistics using a like gun, use it first. ... felix

[jh45gun]

I really do not want to use a filler I never have so far and do not want to start.

[rhead]

I really do not want to use a filler I never have so far and do not want to start.

Then do it your way.

[jh45gun]

Then do it your way.

Not trying to be smart aleck and I appreciate Felix's advice it is just that I do not care to use a filler in my reloads. I mostly use 2400 in all my cast loads since you do not need to use a filler with 2400 as it is less position sensitive. A friend uses a bit of toilet paper in his 45/70 cases with Unique since the case is so big. I use 2400 now in my 45/70 cases too. I use Unique in my shot shells and in my 45 Colt cases (8 Grains) I was hoping I could use it in my 30/30 cases too with out any filler or other substances.

[atr]

Ive used 8 gr of Unique with a 170 gr boolit.....and no filler...

[felix]

Yes, indeed, beer can accuracy at 50 yards can be had with about any Unique load in a 30-30. ... felix

[izzyjoe]

try 6gr. of unique they like shoot a :Fire:.22lr, oh and no filler needed w/ unique.

[jh45gun]

I went with ten grains of Unique. Thanks for all the replies and help.

[jlchucker]

I've never used fillers in anything.

[jh45gun]

I've never used fillers in anything.

I never have either and do not want to mess with it either.

[hiram]

I had bought a bag of poly pillow stuffing I use as filler in 30-30, 32WS, and .308 win when I use 4227--about 15gr. I bag will last a long time, BUT, if I knew then what I know now, I would not have bought it. Instead, I would have have used lint from the clothes dryer filter.

[fourarmed]

Is it a 311359? They could weigh that much out of some molds with the right alloy.

[jlchucker]

I had bought a bag of poly pillow stuffing I use as filler in 30-30, 32WS, and .308 win when I use 4227--about 15gr. I bag will last a long time, BUT, if I knew then what I know now, I would not have bought it. Instead, I would have have used lint from the clothes dryer filter.

I said before I never used a filler, but now you've got me thinking. That lint from the clothes dryer actually does have a purpose, and it sounds like you've discovered it. Moreover, it's FREE, and weighs practically nothing. Maybe I'll try it and see how my groups come out.

[jh45gun]

Is it a 311359? They could weigh that much out of some molds with the right alloy.

I am thinking it could be and that the gap between the gas check and the first driveing band is enough to make a lube groove or at least appear like one. OK some one suggested at another forum suggested that maybe the bottom lube groove I was confusing for a gap between the gas check and the body of the bullet. Maybe but all three lube grooves are equal in width. It looks to me it was designed as a 3 groove bullet. OK I got curious so I got the gas check off one (Little bugger was on there good :D) and there is a distinct groove above where the gas check goes. So it is a 3 groove bullet.

OK some measurements Overall length of the bullet according to my caliper is

Length .805 with out gas check one with gas check measures .814

width of the gap at the bottom of the bullet to the first driving band is:

Gap .142

Now where the gas check goes is crimped down smaller than the gap to the first driving band I suspect maybe that is because the lead got crimped down? There is a slight step between where the gas check was and where the gap is until the first driving band but as I said could that be because the check crimped down the lead?

Bullet with out the gas check and lube still weighs 128 grains so this has to be a 130 grain bullet. So after looking at it the gap between the gas check and the driving band is wide enough it could be confused for an other lube groove.