12GA FH Slug Tester --

[markgregory1]

Ed, if I get a nef 12 ga. ultra slug shotgun bored out for a 3.5" shell, what kind of pressures will this gun hold up to, and what loads would you use? Thanks, and I really have enjoyed reading about your experimenting with the big bores.

[hubel458]

It will handle the max that 3.5" plastic cases handle, about 15,000 psi,

with slug up to 630 gr use 90gr of 4759 powder or 105gr RE17, use

cards and wads so no airspace.Roll crimp. With light slug 400-450 gr in a sabot

use 5gr more of 4759 or 10gr more RE17, If re17 loads seem mild

go up couple gr at a time. right loads get you 5000 ft lbs ..Ed

[hubel458]

.....


It is possible rig up holders for many types setups.,

About shellholder supply for big cases,

RCBS and others make slip in holders for shotgun cases

that can work or reworked for big rimmed rifle cases...

Here are various sizes.......

16ga-- .810" rim,........ 20ga-- .760" rim,....

24ga-- .725" rim,....... 28ga .680" rim....

Ch4d and Buffalo Arms also have these larger shellholders...


We fireform the 416 HSM with 65 gr of medium speed

surplus powder, with rest of case filled with farina

and grits mix, with a play dough plug in the neck.

It is loud, so we shoot it into big container through a barrel size

size hole, so the sound is muffled, so it doesn't deafen us..


It is great getting more companies making 416 caliber bullets,

long target and bore rider bullets. Ed..



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[Hogtamer]

Hey Ed, it has been 6 yrs now since you came up with those sabots way back in page 29. Since there are none available won't you tell us who has the injection mold so that we could arrange to have more made? Thanks for a reply.

[hubel458]

Wonder if a PTRD with 5 ft long barrel is stable enough

for ELR , rebarrel to 416 and use our 416 HSM, 500 gr bullet ....

.Here is up north guy using 585 HE in a PTRD with inserts,

Light load.....Inserts are in the shape of the 14.5mm case....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyabm-cbwgc&feature=youtu.be


HERE ia video, 585 Hubel Express and water jugs - slow motion

750 gr with 155gr RE17, just a moderate load.....Ed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAo1mJqw8Y

[hubel458]

20mm Vulcan is a big case that works ok, without having

the sides made too thick...They have thinner sides

than smaller cases guys are getting that have the sides

made too thick and won't extract easy or work with high pressures.


Here Barnard P Cheytac bolt that would do for our 416 HSM..Ed......

http://www.gunownerstv.com/barnpchey.jpg

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings Ed, its good to see you around and working to help others develop.

Regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[hubel458]

Thanks AM- I work more now with the big brass cases than shotgun stuff..

HT---I sold the sabot idea/stuff to jmortimer and he has

had a run of the sabots made and is supposed to be selling them.

Hope he hasn't passed away... Ed

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Ed H, Its great to know you have been working hard, A body in motion stays in motion ! !
JMortimer has been a great friend and its his efforts that I'm back.
May Gods choicest blessings be with him and keep him healthy.
Amen to that.
**--** I have been trying to reach John's mobile but the people who answer told me he does not live here anymore ! ! Please don't call this #.
I remember very well the Sabots were costing Ed far more than he was trying to get his blocked money into them back, there were then not enough wanting to buy. Ed could not even treat his wife to Burgers from the proceeds of those Sabots ! !
All that glitters is not " Gold "
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[hubel458]

Got guys doing various 416 HEs..

One just built a 416 HE, just been testing it a few days..

And using 168gr of HBMG 475 gr CEB, tested it, in good

conditions, 2 shots at 1800 yards and was within

a 1/4 of minute accuracy...A few shots at shorter ranges

had same accuracy. Ed..

[hubel458]

Got guys doing various 416 HEs..

One just built a 416 HE, just been testing it a few days..

And using 168gr of HBMG 475 gr CEB, tested it, in good

conditions, 2 shots at 1800 yards and was within

a 1/4 of minute accuracy...A few shots at shorter ranges

had same accuracy. Ed..

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Big brother Ed, that sounds great a bit hard to believe but if you say so it must be true ! !
1800 yards and 1/4 inch accuracy.

I wish you all the success and best of luck.

Regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[bikerbeans]

MOA at 1,800 yards is over 18 inches so about a 5 inch group. Still would be phenomenal accuracy.

BB

[missionary5155]

Sounds like you have developed a super anti-anything made of aluminum beast.. 1800 yards ! That is as good as the m68 105 mm main gun on a M60-A1 MBT would do.
Mike in LLama Land

[pashiner]

That's some impressive shooting. 1/4 minute isn't out of the question for a good benchrest gun. I'd like to see a 5 or 10 shot group to confirm, but even 2 shots into 5 inches at 1800 yards is an impressive feat! Wish I hade the machinery to build a dinosaur slayer like that. Just have to play with shotguns till then.

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Big brother Ed, wondering where have you been, hope all is well.

I wish you all the very Best and much success ! !

Regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[hubel458]

I didn't do the gun, just the cases.
The great accuracy is due to K&P barrels and great stock and action....

More about our 416 HSM from BMG brass, and
our 416 HE & 460 HE from our 585 HE cases
Got reamers for 375 HE, 416 HE and 416 HSM,....

460 HE & 460 HSM are all spec'd, got HE reamer
soon have HSM reamer...Our HSMs have a Wea type
radius on the shoulder..

The fellow that set up our 416 HE in an ELR rifle
and got 1/4 min accuracy,
They got some game out west over 1400 yds..
.Here is the gun they set up.
Using a K&P 34" barrel on a BAT action.....Ed

http://www.gunownerstv.com/jacobgun.jpg

[W.R.Buchanan]

Wow!

Randy

[hubel458]

And have got 460 HSM specs setup, the impetus for that is some
asking about one and new great line of 458 bullets CEB now has.

It will hold more powder than the 416 HSM and will get
a 572 gr as fast as 416 HSM gets a 475gr.....Ed..

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Big brother Ed, you always amaze me. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and all our friends.
https://i.imgur.com/vW6zzSH.jpg
This man is a legend, shared his vast knowledge ! !
He ventured in to the dark with his " Loads From Hell " and above all shared his loads that smacked some shooters and they saw " stars."
He deserves every bit of respect, how many of you all agree with me ?
Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

PS: Bravo brother Pashiner " Happy New Year to you and your family "

[pashiner]

Agreed! Ed has more good big bore wildcatting knowledge to share than any other source I've seen.

[hubel458]

The guys that did the super accurate 416 HE did another
416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..

Used a Stiller action and same load with 475 gr bullet, as in
first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy.
3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.

And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
the cartridge is capable of....Here is print with specs for
the 416 HE reamer chamber ....Ed....

http://www.gunownerstv.com/416heream.jpg

[hubel458]

More about he guys that did the accurate 416 HE, they did a
416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..

Used longer barrel and the same load with 475 gr bullet, as used
in the first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy,.
3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.

And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
the cartridge is capable of....Here is picture.......Ed....


http://www.gunownerstv.com/jacobgun2.jpg

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings brother Ed, it great to see you kicking ***** with your Hot Hot loads.
Please take all precautions and stay safe.

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings big brother Ed, you have not been very active lately, how are things with you and your family?

Please take all precautions and stay safe.

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[hubel458]

Away for a time, sickness..
Here is print with chamber reamer specs for the
416 HSM chamber..There are 3 base sizes we have,
depending on actions used. Got reamers for all 3..
Got cases for all of them..
Our cases are public domain, so that is why I post
info and specs. To help guys do their own setups.
Manson makes reamers I use,,, Ed.
http://www.gunownerstv.com/416hsmream.jpg

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Big Brother Ed, I hope all is well now, I sure missed you and am happy to hear from you.
If you have recent picture of your self, please post it !
Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[hubel458]

Have no pic of me hosted but thre is one with the hot sexy lady
on my FB page the daughter put there,,,,



Here is reamer print with chamber reamer specs for
the 460 HSM chamber .Couple guys getting set
to do 38-40 inch heavy 458 target barrels...Ed....
http://www.gunownerstv.com/460hsmream.jpg

[hubel458]

With 40 inch barrel 416 HSM ,475 gr, get 3650, over 13,000 ft lbs muzzle energy.
Got guys getting set to have 38-40 inch 458 barrels made for 460 HSM.Ed..

[hubel458]

More info on this gun, we did it for testing 416 HSM with a rebated rim,
to check in intermediate size actions, with the longer, stronger, bolt lugs, Ed..
http://www.gunownerstv.com/intertargetp.jpg

[W.R.Buchanan]

Ed: Do you have a secret spot where you can shoot Dinosaurs, that you aren't telling us about?

13,000 FP? Nothing that has ever been on this planet could live thru that.

Randy

[hubel458]

Oh our 700 HE is more than that..


Here is experimental action for 416 HSM in a heavy
stock....We lengthened port a little, set bolt stop back ,
opened bolt face fit the 416 HSM rebated rim. Ed.
http://www.gunownerstv.com/intertarget.jpg
Here is comparison of Montana PH to Pierce action we
modified to use for rebated rim 416 HSM testing..Ed.
http://www.gunownerstv.com/intermediates.jpg

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, information for you all to benefit, a lot of good stuff out there but all scattered around.
Use it to your advantage.
He is my big brother Ed, he shares information openly. Can we please make his post a sticky too !

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Some great people will never be forgotten to name a few, like:
Lets not forget my " Big Brother Ed "
The Musketeers, we all loved him, some daring ones tried his heavy loads and saw " Stars " in the day time and did not know what hit them !
Ed, is still a great guy and always willing to share his " From Hell Loads "

Little did I know my loads got " Hotter " just by being just friends with him.
Happy New Year 2021 Ed you and your family.

Will always be remembered in our hearts.
Happy New Year 2021

Warmest Regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings my friends, we still have time to prepare if and when all hell breaks loose.

Ed, is still a great guy and always willing to share his " From Hell Loads "

" Big Brother Ed "
sure is A Musketeer from our group of Musketeers.
One for all, all for one !

Load up, far better to have and not need, than need and not have, you decide ! !

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[hubel458]

Thanks AJ, have a good winter..


416 & 460 HE AND 416 & 460 HSM .LONG RANGE AND HUNTING
Can be set up in Pierce X10 ACTION for the 416 & 460 HE
AND X20 action for the 416 & 460 HSM , Can get those
if guys need one...Ed

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Ed, is still a great guy and always willing to share his " From Hell Loads "

" Big Brother Ed "
sure is A Musketeer from our group of Musketeers.
One for all, all for one !

Load up, far better to have and not need, than need and not have, you decide ! !

Sure like to keep my Big Brother up close to me, do you know he sent me a bag of his Sabots " Free " time to pay back and keep him close-by.

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[SuperBlazingSabots]

I times like this, sure good to have friends up close-by.

Ed, is still a great guy and always willing to share his " From Hell Loads "

" Big Brother Ed "
sure is A Musketeer from our group of Musketeers.
One for all, all for one !

Load up, far better to have and not need, than need and not have, you decide ! !

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[hubel458]

Here is picture of my 416 HSM test gun,... It is a big falling block we had
as a 8 bore years ago. Has a 34 inch , 1 5/8 "diameter, 1 to 10 twist barrel. .. Ed.


http://www.gunownerstv.com/hsmfb.jpg

[firefly1957]

Nice looking gun .

[hubel458]

Willl have clearer picture soon...ED