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jeff223
06-28-2006, 05:06 PM
ive been thinking about running another group buy for a Lee 6 banger mold that makes a plain base boolit rather than a gas check boolit.ive been thinking about using the C358-180-RF design but this boolit would be a plain base rather than a gas check base.all the other specs would be the same

your thoughts about this please.if there is enough interest in this one i know someone that would HONCHO the dealhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

oksmle
06-28-2006, 05:51 PM
jeff223 .... I'm in. That would keep me from reaming out 5 of the 6 cavities to PB on the one we have on order.

oksmle

dragonrider
06-28-2006, 07:10 PM
I'm in and I don't have a 35.

357maximum
06-28-2006, 07:24 PM
Jeff, count me in..

I have a three banger plain base 180 from mountain molds, but it's nose is a bit long for my marlin 336 (designed for my max encore) .

45 2.1
06-28-2006, 07:36 PM
The original Lar45 35 cal 180 gr. GC boolits nose engraves in every 35 Rem rifle i've tried it in. Stops short of lockup. It works fine in the 357 mag and 38 special.

357maximum
06-28-2006, 07:48 PM
The original Lar45 35 cal 180 gr. GC boolits nose engraves in every 35 Rem rifle i've tried it in. Stops short of lockup. It works fine in the 357 mag and 38 special.


My 1954 marlin 336 RC with the 358-180 designed by Glenn does in fact nose engrave a little, but it will lock and fire, and is damn accurate, if we switched to a straight tapered secant nose, It would proably work in most 336's, (Me thinks, but me may be wrong)

cherok9878
06-29-2006, 07:36 AM
45 2.1, how does this compare to catshooters 358429 group buy?

I just checked lar45,s site to order lube and it indicates that he is closed due to health reasons. Any one know his status?

45 2.1
06-29-2006, 07:46 AM
45 2.1, how does this compare to catshooters 358429 group buy?

That is a different boolit shape, a SWC. The boolit being talked about is close to a LBT style. It is a large meplat secant ogive with a 0.100" band in front of the crimping groove. Where the problem, at least for me in the 35 Rem. rifles, is the front band. If the ogive went to the crimping groove, I don't think that I would have any trouble with chambering them, but this boolit was meant for straight walled cartridges and I was trying to get some extra mileage out of it.

jeff223
06-29-2006, 09:13 AM
WOW it sure looks like i will be running another group buy very soon

should this boolit be a plain base or a bevel base?

ideas please about this as i dont have a clue.

oksmle
06-29-2006, 11:13 AM
should this boolit be a plain base or a bevel base?

Plain base please.... oksmle

Bodydoc447
06-29-2006, 01:14 PM
Jeff,

I guess I'd be in for either a bevel or plain base, but I think the plain base would be my preference. I think they seal the bore a little better. Thanks for running another GB for us.

Doc

cherok9878
06-29-2006, 03:18 PM
45 2.1, thanks for the prompt reply................larry

jeff223
06-29-2006, 05:15 PM
plain base it is.i talked it over with my gun smith friend and he told me to go that way too.

like i said before i dont have a clue myself and want a proven design.these should be a good mid range boolit for the 357mag and 357max and all the others.should save some time too not having to install the gas checks.just another mold to spend money onhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

klausg
06-29-2006, 06:12 PM
jeff223- depending on when, I would be interested in this one, I vote for the plain-base also.
-Klaus

357maximum
06-30-2006, 01:45 AM
another vote for plain base

biggome
06-30-2006, 06:01 AM
Hey....my mind has been read!....well, kinda-sorta-maybe..........

I have been wishing for a many-cavity, heavyweight, non gaschecked, tumble-lubeable, .358+ dia. bullet mold for some time now....Is this it????

My only requirement is that it be able to feed through my 16" .357 Mag. Rossi '92 copy. I have read Jr's posts of the use of the similar gaschecked group buy mold.

My dreams are to use my stock of WC-820-PD and commercial Winch small pistol primers along with a very low effort to produce boolit in a rifle for all-around use.

Is this one me or what?

Paul

jeff223
07-01-2006, 03:24 PM
OK this will be the boolit but the base will be a plain base rather than a gas check base
http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1330&d=1145634936
if you are going to be getting in on this deal please post below so i can get an idea as to the numbers we are talking about.i would like to get an order of 25molds for this one

does everyone think this will be a winner?

45 2.1
07-01-2006, 04:44 PM
Something for your consideration. This will chamber readily in the 35 Rem rifle too.

bdoyle
07-01-2006, 07:30 PM
45 2.1,
Did you shorten up the band on the nose or eliminate it? My mid 60s MG 336 will only tolerate a narrow band. With the lyman 200gr I usually let them engrave just as I pull the lever closed. Can't decide if that is a bad thing.
I have been using the GC design without the GC in my model 28s. With the shorter cylinder the 358429 doesn't work unless you shove em down inside the brass. With that said I guess I'm in.

Brian

Dutch4122
07-01-2006, 07:52 PM
Something for your consideration. This will chamber readily in the 35 Rem rifle too.

Very nice 45 2.1; I think I like the looks of your design better than a modified C358-180-RF.

Just my 2 cents.

45 2.1
07-01-2006, 08:19 PM
45 2.1,
Did you shorten up the band on the nose or eliminate it? My mid 60s MG 336 will only tolerate a narrow band. With the lyman 200gr I usually let them engrave just as I pull the lever closed. Can't decide if that is a bad thing.
I have been using the GC design without the GC in my model 28s. With the shorter cylinder the 358429 doesn't work unless you shove em down inside the brass. With that said I guess I'm in.

Brian

The nose band was eliminated. The nose to crimp is still the same length and the boolit is still the same length. Essentially it is the same thing with the bands and grooves modified.

This is just for your consideration, you will have to decide what you want.

biggome
07-01-2006, 09:24 PM
Either of the two designs presented would be fine with me so you can count me in for at least one as soon as the deal is on. Lets get it going ASAP!

Paul

357maximum
07-02-2006, 11:25 AM
"does everyone think this will be a winner?"

Do not take this the wrong way, it will "work" for your max, but a more universal boolit has been presented above. and would be "BETTER"

I think a three crimp groove boolit with a short nose would even be better yet, and more a universal fit. Something similar to the 444 fat,flat boolit 45 2.1 is designing for my 444 buy in 35 cal plain based would get me quite excited. This would allow it to be used in damn near anything.

A plain based version of this, but in 35 cal: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1716&d=1151237159

If something similar to this shakes out, count me in for more than one..

just my .02

Michael

Dutch4122
07-02-2006, 11:42 AM
I think a three crimp groove boolit with a short nose would even be better yet, and more a universal fit. Something similar to the 444 fat,flat boolit 45 2.1 is designing for my 444 buy in 35 cal plain based would get me quite excited. This would allow it to be used in damn near anything.
Michael

That sounds like a winner too. Something with two or three crimp grooves, a single deep lube goove, and a thick base band would be very nice.

45 2.1
07-02-2006, 12:05 PM
Ya mean something like this:

Dutch4122
07-02-2006, 12:11 PM
Ya mean something like this:

I'm droolin' already. What da ya think, Jeff?

357maximum
07-02-2006, 12:22 PM
Ya mean something like this:

aw aw aw awsome, hey Bob what would that puppy weigh? it looks like the perfect 200 grainer to me, did I say awesome yet?


Hey Matt, I B droolin 2

Jeff>>>thoughts on this?

Cayoot
07-02-2006, 02:13 PM
Very nice 45 2.1; I think I like the looks of your design better than a modified C358-180-RF.

Just my 2 cents.

I heartily agree! That is a great looking boolit!

Cayoot
07-02-2006, 02:16 PM
I'm going to have to try to get the money up for this one too. Depending on when you set the deadline, (if no earlier than the beginning of Sept) you can count on me to purchase one of these.

45 2.1
07-02-2006, 02:36 PM
what would that puppy weigh?

About 176 to 180 gr. or there abouts.

Marlin Junky
07-02-2006, 04:36 PM
I could handle a design with two crimp grooves but I actually prefer no crimping grooves and a leading band wide enough (1/8" to 5/32") to apply a Lee Factory crimp with latitude for COL adjustment. I'd also want the lube grooves to be angled at the top and bottom (40 to 45 degrees) so boolits drop easily.

With that said, I want to participate in this group buy as long as we end up with a boolit that'll work in a .35 cal 336 with a .080" throat that needs a .361+" PB to fill the grooves. If this works out, I'd like a GC mold too. Are there any .35 molds from earlier GB's that were extras? I've only been here since the middle of April.

MJ

jeff223
07-03-2006, 11:04 AM
now i like this design
http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1772&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1151856343
this one will work out for me if it works out for the others wanting a good plain base boolit

will this one work for you Marlin Junkie?sorry i dont have any lelf overs from the group buy i ran last year.maybe 357max bought a few extras from his last group buy?

im going to let this run for one more week begfore i start the offical GROUP BUY
i think the above boolit will fit the bill.with those three crimp groves that boolit could be used in many differant firearms and this group buy will fill up faster

im going to charge a total of $60.00 on this deal so a mold can be bought for our boolit designer"45 2.1".im sorry i didnt get some molds for him in my last group buys.hope he can fix us up again with the spec sheet

357maximum
07-03-2006, 11:13 AM
now i like this design
http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1772&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1151856343
this one will work out for me if it works out for the others wanting a good plain base boolit

will this one work for you Marlin Junkie?sorry i dont have any lelf overs from the group buy i ran last year.maybe 357max bought a few extras from his last group buy?

im going to let this run for one more week begfore i start the offical GROUP BUY
i think the above boolit will fit the bill.with those three crimp groves that boolit could be used in many differant firearms and this group buy will fill up faster

im going to charge a total of $60.00 on this deal so a mold can be bought for our boolit designer"45 2.1".im sorry i didnt get some molds for him in my last group buys.hope he can fix us up again with the spec sheet


Oh how sweet it is....I like the three crimp groove design, a whole bunch...

BTW< No extra mold from my buy on the 358-180 sorry, I ordered an extra for a spare for me, but it too is spoken for now.

Michael

felix
07-03-2006, 12:29 PM
MJ, I personally like larger angles, but also including large angle (both directions) crimp grooves. Yes, you really don't need crimp grooves if you are the type of person who likes to lean on the crimping operation. I don't. I like a minimum crimp, just enough to stop the boolit from going into the case. As far as the boolit jumping out of the case, it is much, much better to have a neck fit tight enough to stop that movement. You only want the fit to be tight enough to hold the boolit stable from any force direction developed by the load, crimp or no crimp. ... felix

Marlin Junky
07-03-2006, 02:34 PM
Felix,

I'm not looking for heavy duty wheel gun bullet moulds. I'm seeking molds for a wide grooved, 55 year old, .35 cal. 336A. The crimp needs to be just heavy enough to prevent bullets from being pushed into the case from magazine pressure/recoil and the Lee Factory crimp die is adjustable to a light as well as a heavy crimp. If a bullet mould is designed to cast a wide leading band, the bullet seating depth can be adjusted up or down slightly without concern for the case mouth missing the crimping groove. A wide leading band also provides better alignment than a narrow one if the nose is a little sloppy in the bore. When I select a mold to fit a given bore, I always "LEAN" towards light tension on the lands so I end up with a round that chambers smoothly... without "LEANING" on the lever.

I have a couple questions before I bail out. Why do we need 3 crimping grooves... are you guys trying to build a mold compatible with both wheel guns and short throated Marlins? And, what are the lube groove angles? Maybe, someone can provide a link to a drawing with more detail dimensions.

MJ

jeff223
07-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Marlin Junky i hate to see you bail out of the deal but ive had a few PMs about this upcomming boolit mold deal and there is lots of interest in the 3 crimp design and im sure i will be running a group buy for that boolit mold.

i dont have any of the specs yet but maybe someone else could help you out.

do you feel this boolit design is out of the question for you?
you will have lots of time to think this over as the group buy will start one week from today and i dont plan on ending the deal until Sept sometime.

Marlin Junky
07-03-2006, 03:40 PM
I'll pass. The mold doesn't make sense for me. I'd be buying a mold that'll probably cast more difficultly than it would without the 3 crimping grooves and carry less lube down my 24" barrel than it would without the 3 crimping grooves.

I'm sure it'll work fine in Contenders and wheel guns, but I'll participate when someone wants to create .35 rifle and carbine molds.

Thanks just the same,
MJ

biggome
07-04-2006, 04:38 PM
I just got a thumbs up from a friend to I'll be ordering two of them.

The order date will be in September? I hate to wait that long but then again I don't do much casting in the summer months anyway. When would we be able to expect delivery?

Paul

45 2.1
07-04-2006, 06:20 PM
I'll pass. The mold doesn't make sense for me. I'd be buying a mold that'll probably cast more difficultly than it would without the 3 crimping grooves and carry less lube down my 24" barrel than it would without the 3 crimping grooves.

I'm sure it'll work fine in Contenders and wheel guns, but I'll participate when someone wants to create .35 rifle and carbine molds.

Thanks just the same,
MJ

You assume too much without knowing anything. I have a 35 Rem to feed also.

357maximum
07-04-2006, 09:36 PM
45 2.1= 30+ years of boolit design under his belt, he knows his shtuff when it comes to boolits, it is not cooincidence most group buy dimensions come from him. If he says it will work in a certain gun I am quite inclined to believe him. We are quite lucky to have his advise and expertise, alot of buys would not happen without him, Hoorah to the bulletmeister, and thank you in advance for any and all services rendered. Personally I cannot wait to feed my 336 in 35 rem some of these. And my thanks also go to the future honcho for his upcoming time and effort.

my .02
michael

Marlin Junky
07-05-2006, 06:39 AM
You assume too much without knowing anything. I have a 35 Rem to feed also.

I know the neck on the .35 Remington case is about 1/3" long and if I want the trailing lube groove to be contained inside the neck it looks like I will need to crimp in the middle crimping groove. It also looks like seating in this manner will prevent chambering in my '51 336A.

In reality, I'm not sure about this design. I opened your jpeg in a drawing program to spec it out and since the dimensions with respect to my 336 are very close, I should have a drawing with the actual dimensions in order to make a decision whether to purchase this mold or not.

Thanks,
MJ

P.S. I'm not expecting perfection for 60 bucks, I just don't need another paper weight shaped like a bullet mold... and that's no reflection on anyone's ability to design molds.

45 2.1
07-05-2006, 07:37 AM
I should have a drawing with the actual dimensions in order to make a decision whether to purchase this mold or not.

Nobody will ever see posted a fully dimensioned drawing again due to past indiscretions of a certain board member. You certainly do not get them from any other mold source unless you design them yourself. That is the way it is, unless you want to design, test and draw it out yourself, then post it for all to see.

felix
07-05-2006, 08:53 AM
Bob, what did that other board member do with your drawing? ... felix

45 2.1
07-05-2006, 09:06 AM
Bob, what did that other board member do with your drawing? ... felix

You have a PM.

jeff223
07-05-2006, 10:07 AM
i am going to have this group buy start this next Monday 7-10-06

with the help of 45 2.1 this boolit will be a winner like the rest of his designs.i think the specs of this boolit should be up to him as he has the knowledge.i do think this boolit should drop from the mold at or around .360 so it can be sized to the buyers likings and can be used in many differant firearms just like the boolits from the LeeC358-180-RF mold .i also like the idea of those three crimp groves.im sure i will be shooting lots of these boolits once the deal is over and the molds are made

there seems to be lots of interest in this mold deal so far and im going to let the deal run for a while so all can get in that wants to.im going to post this group buy at specialtypistols forums,marlinowners forums,boar tuff outdoors forums and here.im thinking of letting this deal run through Sept and ending it on Oct 1st.
HOWS THAT SOUNDhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Bodydoc447
07-05-2006, 02:57 PM
Sounds great. Count me in for one, though I may have to send my check in towards the end of August. I am going to have to sell plasma for mould money if this keeps up.

Doc

tall grass
07-05-2006, 06:58 PM
Jeff

You're the Man. Thanks for running this deal and it will be a pleasure to do business with you again. Later in the summer will work better for me as the gun equipment cash flow seems tighter than usual right now and have already made a comitment for another group buy mold.

thanks

Jim

Dutch4122
07-05-2006, 07:39 PM
.............im thinking of letting this deal run through Sept and ending it on Oct 1st.
HOWS THAT SOUND

Speaking from the standpoint of somebody who has wrote out 9 checks for Group Buy moulds since March; and is having trouble keeping track of them ;) I think this is a good idea. And, Lee is so backed up right now that I don't think it will hurt a bit to let this one ride a while. Besides, it's a versatile design and you might just hit a 100 orders with this one; then we'd all get a price break.

Not to mention that my checkbook just plain needs a chance to cool off!:)

Cayoot
07-06-2006, 09:20 AM
im thinking of letting this deal run through Sept and ending it on Oct 1st.
HOWS THAT SOUNDhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

You Da Man Jeff!!!

jeff223
07-06-2006, 10:17 AM
100 mold orderhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon5.gifhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

i would be a dealer then

357maximum
07-06-2006, 07:25 PM
Great, sounds great, check will be coming at you in a couple a weeks, this one will be a winner for sure..Thank you MR. Honcho for the work you have ahead of you.

Michael

jeff223
07-07-2006, 02:20 PM
what are we going to call this boolit?i need a name for the upcomming group buy

357maximum
07-07-2006, 06:31 PM
????????? C-360-180PB-3Groove ??????

Dutch4122
07-07-2006, 06:48 PM
????????? C-360-180PB-3Groove ??????


Since it's a plain based boolit, shouldn't it be "360-180-3Groove?"

Or some such?

357maximum
07-07-2006, 08:18 PM
Since it's a plain based boolit, shouldn't it be "360-180-3Groove?"

Or some such?
__________________
-Matt

O.K

So used to seeing GC on a mold, I just thought that the PB would more appropriately describe it.

OR....We could call the mould Dianne Feinstein, she would be honored I am sure.....

Michael

Dutch4122
07-07-2006, 08:22 PM
OR....We could call the mould Dianne Feinstein, she would be honored I am sure.....
Michael

Gee, I didn't think the design was that fugly!

357maximum
07-07-2006, 08:29 PM
The three bands kinda remind me of her puglike face, and you could also compare it to her front butt, we will not go there.

Michael

Poohgyrr
07-08-2006, 06:17 PM
Hmmm, I'm wondering how this would do in a .356 Win. Anyone know??

I don't have a .35 Rem... :(

Duff L Bagg
07-20-2006, 10:07 PM
I am interested in this bullet also, it looks like it would make a great plinking bullet for my 356 Win. Any ideas on how it would function through a 356 winchester big Bore?

357maximum
07-21-2006, 08:48 PM
pooh, and duff

I would think this one would serve you both real well...

Duff L Bagg
07-22-2006, 11:05 AM
Count me in. I need a good plinking bullet for my 356Win. I love shooting the rifle but just can't stand the price of copper patched bullets!

swampmaster
07-25-2006, 06:02 PM
Wow two others with a 356 winnie,I keep hoping to find a 250 grain mould for mine, as i have pleny of bullets in the 180 and 200 grain range

AnthonyB
07-25-2006, 11:52 PM
I love my 356 Winchester and have been contemplating the perfect cast boolit for a year or so. I've decided on a 225-230 gr. FNGC mould from Dan at Mountain Moulds once he is back in business, but that may change after I shoot the 35809 Improved. I don't think I need a boolit as heavy as the 35909 Improved for anything less than dinosaurs, and a larger meplat should be good. Still have to try it... Tony

MT Gianni
07-26-2006, 05:06 PM
I love my 356 Winchester and have been contemplating the perfect cast boolit for a year or so. I've decided on a 225-230 gr. FNGC mould from Dan at Mountain Moulds once he is back in business, but that may change after I shoot the 35809 Improved. I don't think I need a boolit as heavy as the 35909 Improved for anything less than dinosaurs, and a larger meplat should be good. Still have to try it... Tony
My best groups have come from the 358627 215 gr keith. Mine drops at about 225 gr checked and lubed. I would sugggest something about that weigt for the 356, 358 and 35 rem not the 180 gr heavy pistol bullets. Gianni.

AnthonyB
07-26-2006, 08:00 PM
MT Gianni, I have that one as well and really like it. I think it was Buckshot that did a HP job on it, and I look forward to trying the finished product on deer-sized game when I get the chance. I agree that the 180 gr. boolits are too light to take advantage of the 356's potential. I think the 356 could take the place of the 45-70 for my southern use, and my first custom rifle will likely be a 20 inch 358 Winchester on a Rem 700 action. Tony

felix
07-26-2006, 09:05 PM
Excellent choice, Tony. Krieger, 15 twist, 7 lands, 60-40, groove to land, 348 by 358, lightest contour allowed by cutters, chrome-moly for extreme cold shooting. ... felix

AnthonyB
07-26-2006, 09:36 PM
Felix, I have the action waiting and will definitely talk to you before I manage the order. Is your gunsmith a contender for the work? I know sundog is very happy with his 35 Whelen, so there is another possibility. I think I want a lightweight synthetic stock and a matte finish, and can't envision anything in my future the 358 couldn't handle. Tony